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NyQuil

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I liked Knives Out, but like Brick, you have to take the "hammy" acting as part and parcel of the genre it was trying to emulate. In this case, a "whodunit / howdunit" from an earlier time.

In Brick, you had high school teenagers adopting the sensibilities and cadence of noir films decades old.

In both cases, you had a contemporary setting juxtaposed with characteristics of a genre that peaked far earlier.
 

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I really dislike film summaries, unless they're made to be funny or to point out elements that will feed a reflection on the work, but most reviewers only use them to make it look like they've written something.

Now I understand why you called synopses "filler." I actually agree with you on that when they're extensive, which is why I try to keep them very short. As much as I respect Roger Ebert, I'm always surprised by the fact that literally half of each of his reviews is plot summary. I even read a review the other day in which he gave away everything up to and including the ending. Good thing that I read the review after watching the movie!

I prefer 1000% anecdotal elements about the movies (I don't remember who was doing the snipets on the Schwarzenegger films, but that was very interesting to me), as these can also feed my understand of them.

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Now I understand why you called synopses "filler." I actually agree with you on that when they're extensive, which is why I try to keep them very short. As much as I respect Roger Ebert, I'm always surprised by the fact that literally half of each of his reviews is plot summary. I even read a review the other day in which he gave away everything up to and including the ending. Good thing that I read the review after watching the movie!
For me, a lot of this has to do with the difference between film reviews and film criticism and much of it boils down to a perception of audience. If you are writing for people who are not familiar with the movie and who may be using your review to decide to watch it or not, to me, some summary, hopefully shortish and to the point, is going to be required for them to make an informed decision. If you are writing for an audience who is more knowledgeable about film in general, more interested in exploring certain films or genres, than you are less dependent on plot summary, though a little still might be necessary to provide context. A way of looking at it, even though you and I avoid reading about the movie before seeing it, reviews tend to have importance for most people before they see the movie, as a means of gauging interest; film criticism is more useful for people after they have seen the movie when they wish to explore more deeply their ideas and feelings about the film and see what insights they can gather from other people. Two very different audiences with two very different needs. And there have been some great hybrid reviewers/critics who manage to do both simultaneously, such as Paulene Kael, James Agee, Dwight Macdonald, and Andrew Sarris. The key variable for them: the publications they worked for usually provided them with lots of space to explore their thoughts.
 
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Very interesting discussion. Oddly enough, neither of these perspectives align at all with what I, as a reader, want out of a review. To me, product reviews and media (movies/albums/books/shows/games) reviews function in a completely different manner and have a completely different purpose.

With a product review, I want an exhaustively considerate, audience-dependent forecast/guide of what function/use something might have for any given person and the degree that the product satisfies that-- I want a detailed outline of all the information available for that product so that the reader can make an informed purchase decision (there's no room for mysteries), followed by an anecdotally persuasive positive/neutral/negative recommendation by the reviewer with the understanding that we probably aren't going to be too far off. Essentially, I want both. So I agree with you guys there.

With a media review however, I don't necessarily want either, to be honest. I'm not reading it in order to learn everything I need to know about a movie so that I can make an informed purchase decision based on my wants and needs. If anything, the idea of a movie reviewer acting as a guide that tries to credibly guess at what my subjective impression might be because I can be generalized in certain ways feels all kinds of wrong and obnoxious to me. For one thing, I don't want a reviewer to defer to me as an authority on what I want and then solely (not to mention artificially) cater to that perspective-- I want them to indirectly challenge and inspire me with what they think I ought to want. The suggestions of someone with a wishy washy "well, some people like this and other people like this, it's all equally valid and comes down to their preferences/biases-- what kind of person are you? Maybe you would like this then." attitude doesn't have much value to me. On the flip side, if a review too deliberately tries to be persuasive and feels like it has an agenda, that can feel off-puttingly possessive, manipulative, and arrogant to me. Eloquence and persuasiveness are just part of the flavor, fun, and theater in reading a review-- I don't really think of it as the substance. I would never judge a review by how persuasive OR informative it is, personally.

All I really want out of a media review is an unfiltered window into the mind of someone who has a compelling perspective, and get the most uncompromisingly critical, well-expressed, and raw/sincere impression possible. I want to know everything that this person views as truths about that thing and see if that connection organically sparks an interest/curiosity/impressionability in me. If we're operating on completely different wavelengths, I'll find someone else to read-- don't bother making an effort to condescendingly pigeon-hole me by impersonally recommending something based on assumptions that you don't even connect with yourself. A big pet peeve of mine is when someone goes "Personally, I think this thing is awful, but I'm sure you'll like it because of <preconceived notion>."

I have no insight into the process of writing a review (I'm not considerate about it and usually don't even feel like writing anything, I just use it as a purely self-interested excuse to vomit out, organize and share my thoughts), but that's what I do and don't appreciate about reviews as a concept.
 
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My Neighbor Totoro (1988) - A little disappointed. There are some beautiful scenes peppered throughout the movie (Totoro enjoying the rain and his new umbrella being the peak. That was a masterstroke.) and some great animation but I found it a little lacking when the magical Totoro and his great little posse weren't around to spice up a story that I found rather banal and a little too twee, and particularly droning by moments. Great moments, great animation, great lighting, killer score, but rather uneven, IMO. I think the voice acting (I watched the film in English) brought it down, as the intonation of the voices was often pandering and somewhat annoying (the beautifully painted The Old Man and the Sea giving me a similar feeling). I think I may have actually enjoyed it a lot more if I'd watched it in Japanese. But it's no The Little Prince or Calvin and Hobbes.
 
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For me, a lot of this has to do with the difference between film reviews and film criticism and much of it boils down to a perception of audience. If you are writing for people who are not familiar with the movie and who may be using your review to decide to watch it or not, to me, some summary, hopefully shortish and to the point, is going to be required for them to make an informed decision. If you are writing for an audience who is more knowledgeable about film in general, more interested in exploring certain films or genres, than you are less dependent on plot summary, though a little still might be necessary to provide context. A way of looking at it, even though you and I avoid reading about the movie before seeing it, reviews tend to have importance for most people before they see the movie, as a means of gauging interest; film criticism is more useful for people after they have seen the movie when they wish to explore more deeply their ideas and feelings about the film and see what insights they can gather from other people. Two very different audiences with two very different needs. And there have been some great hybrid reviewers/critics who manage to do both simultaneously, such as Paulene Kael, James Agee, Dwight Macdonald, and Andrew Sarris. The key variable for them: the publications they worked for usually provided them with lots of space to explore their thoughts.

That's precisely the distinction that I've been making in my head (better than in my posts). Violenza seems to want to read film analysis of something that he's already seen, and I totally understand that, while I, personally, prefer to focus on writing for the person who hasn't seen the movie and covering the bases that might help him decide whether to watch it. I try not to delve into much analysis because that's more for a different audience and I want to keep the review short and focused. If you've seen the movie and reply to me, though, I'm often happy to put on my analysis hat and discuss it more in depth, as I did earlier.

Just to clarify, I don't read full reviews from professional critics before seeing a movie, because they tend to give too much plot away, but I certainly read the highlighted quotes at RT of those pro critics, the user reviews at RT and everyone's reviews here. I really rely on those to decide what to watch and to inform me of what I'm getting into so that I can go in with the right level of expectations and when I'm in the right mood.
 
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Violenza seems to want to read film analysis of something that he's already seen

I'm not asking for that much, I just want the brain juices to flow a little - The hero puts on a pretty blue hat and does this and that and I liked it and nice cinematography. Who cares, really? ;-)
 

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I'm not asking for that much, I just want the brain juices to flow a little - The hero puts on a pretty blue hat and does this and that and I liked it and nice cinematography. Who cares, really? ;-)

People who haven't seen it may care. Maybe they like only movies in which the hero puts on a pretty red hat. Did you ever think of that? :sarcasm:
 
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My Neighbor Totoro (1988) - A little disappointed. There are some beautiful scenes peppered throughout the movie (Totoro enjoying the rain and his new umbrella being the peak. That was a masterstroke.) and some great animation but I found it a little lacking when the magical Totoro and his great little posse weren't around to spice up a story that I found rather banal and a little too twee, and particularly droning by moments. Great moments, great animation, great lightning, killer score, but rather uneven, IMO. I think the voice acting (I watched the film in English) brought it down, as the intonation of the voices was often pandering and somewhat annoying (the beautifully painted The Old Man and the Sea giving me a similar feeling. I think I may have actually enjoyed it a lot more if I'd watched it in Japanese. But it's no The Little Prince or Calvin and Hobbes.
Watching it in English does a HUGE disservice to this movie, IMO-- enough to borderline ruin the whole thing for me, personally-- it's one of my favorites otherwise (the banality sets the mood perfectly, the way an Ozu movie does, IMO). The Japanese child voice actors broke my heart, whereas the English voice actors just sounded like annoying little sh**s, to my ears. :laugh:
 
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Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles
(1975) Directed by Chantal Akerman 9C

This film is the Mount Everest of slow cinema. I, who love slow cinema when it is done well, gave up on my first attempt about half way through the movie. Tonight thinking I would give another of Chantal Akerman's films a try, on a whim I decided to watch this one again instead of something new. And, of course, this time around, I thought the movie was absolutely brilliant. Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles is a three hour and 13 minute film that focuses on a single woman, Jeanne Dielman (Delphine Seyrig, in a prodigious performance, practically a one-woman show) as she goes through the mundane tasks that make up her dull, dull life. She lives with a teenage son, who is mostly absent, for whom she dutifully makes meals, does his laundry and polishes his shoes. She does this with no discernible affection, but merely because it is what she is expected to do. We follow her around as she completes the housework, goes shopping, and, incidentally, turns the odd trick in her bedroom when the kid is at school. You might think that this little wrinkle makes her more interesting, but, no, it is just another passionless transaction in a life full of passionless transactions. The movie is half over before we notice little cracks in her facade, so tiny it's as if they are imagined. These little crevices become slightly more pronounced, until the realization dawns that she is an atom bomb just sitting there waiting to go off. Director Chantal Akerman has created a feminist masterpiece, one that can be sliced many different ways. Jeanne is tightly wound, and though she has seemingly accepted her lot, it is with resignation not joy. Her stoicism and deep repression, however, mask an anger that lies deep within her. Ever wonder what it took for your grandmother to keep those wooden floors that polished? This movie might give you some idea.

Sidenote: In this movie, Akerman steals a signature move from Japanese director Yasujiro Ozu. She always shoots from a stationary camera position. Like Ozu , she finds ways of narrowing the frame so that we are looking where she wants us to look, but she does this, very likely intentionally, with less brilliance than does the great director. Not wanting to call attention to herself, she seems to be going after a kind of anti-style style. It is interesting, though, that when we revisit the same place on Jeanne's journeys around town or in her apartment, Akerman reuses the exact same stationary camera placement almost every time. In that way the audience is allowed to build up associations with these particular places; they seem to be filled with vibrations that speak to Jeanne's life and indeed take on a life of their own.

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Is “Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy” worth the watch? The cast looks great but I’ve heard it’s a really slow movie
 

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Watching it in English does a HUGE disservice to this movie, IMO-- enough to borderline ruin the whole thing for me, personally-- it's one of my favorites otherwise (the banality sets the mood perfectly, the way an Ozu movie does, IMO). The Japanese child voice actors broke my heart, whereas the English voice actors just sounded like annoying little sh**s, to my ears. :laugh:

I've got to ask...do you not watch movies anymore?
 

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Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles
(1975) Directed by Chantal Akerman 9C

Been wanting to watch this for a while, but I'm not gunna lie, the run time and slow pace intimidate me. I'll just have to take the dive one of these days.
 

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Is “Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy” worth the watch? The cast looks great but I’ve heard it’s a really slow movie
IMHO calling it slow does it a disservice. If you're looking for quick action you'll be disappointed, but if you've got enough patience for an old school Cold War suspense movie with a great cast, you'll like it. I consider it a throwback to an era before ADHD wiped out a generation's attention span, and people could sit and watch genuine adult drama for longer than a few minutes at a clip.
 
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The Cat Returns

with Japanese people or an assortment of Hollywood folks doing the English dubbing.

Anime fluff from the legendary Studio Ghibli (though not directed by Miyazaki). Haru is a typical saucer-eyed anime chick in high school who lives with her mom, can't get up on time, and crushes on some guy. One clumsy day staggering home from school, she and her friend notice a cat casually walking down the sidewalk with a gift-wrapped present in its mouth. Huh. The kitty takes a right turn into traffic, almost gets run over, but Haru rushes out and scoops kitty to safety with her lacrosse stick. *whew* The kitty then stands up on his hind legs and thanks her for saving his life. See, he's a cat prince, and Haru can talk to cats. Also huh. She tries to put it out of her mind, but that night the Cat King comes with full pomp and procession to thank her personally, and offer her a chance to marry the cat prince. Uh...k. She's skeptical, and goes to the Cat Bureau for guidance. As one would. But the King will not be denied, and a quick mass of cats carry her off to the Cat Kingdom, with the outcasts from the Cat Bureau in hot pursuit. Gail from Bob's Burgers has achieved multiple orgasms by this point. Anime weirdness and body positivity lessons commence.

If you like the Studio Ghibli stuff, you'll probably like this. I'm personally lukewarm about it; anime was always more my kid's thing than mine, but it's decent enough. The Cat King's entourage is hilarious, complete with four sinister tuxedo cats acting as his kitty Secret Service. I've had tuxedo cats, and they were the friendliest sucky pusses you could ever want.

An inoffensively entertaining way to kill and hour and a half, and that's from a not very big anime fan.

On Netflix.

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You can't have a cat movie without at least *some* normal feline behaviour...
 
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I've got to ask...do you not watch movies anymore?
Uhh... like... once in a blue moon. Seems to be a combination of
* lack of enthusiasm/titles jumping out at me that I desperately want to see (some directors that I'm really into stopped making big movies too)
* having more enthusiasm for rewatching things I already like (which I don't bother posting)
* sort of this weird phenomenon where after somewhat establishing a canon of what I like, the more obvious must-see choices that are up my alley are somewhat exhausted and the amount of pleasure I get from the remaining stuff isn't as encouraging and motivation-igniting.
* maybe a bit of burn-out from trying to keep up year to year for a stretch (nothing in comparison to what other posters here regularly do, but even 20+ a year felt like a lot to me)
* getting into albums being a way easier process to get up for
* had a couple of years where I decided to catch up with the videogame medium after completely dismissing it for a decade and a bit-- took up some of that time and mental real estate probably
 
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Been wanting to watch this for a while, but I'm not gunna lie, the run time and slow pace intimidate me. I'll just have to take the dive one of these days.
You have to be in the right frame of mind, that's for sure. I find with most good slow cinema, I will eventually get into the movie's rhythm, and then the movie actually doesn't seem slow anymore--it seems more like I am reading a really good short story where nuance and detail are important. What makes Jeanne Dielman.... especially challenging as slow cinema goes is that the movie is about the routine and boredom of a highly repressed individual, and that tips the degree of difficulty up a notch. I had no plans to watch the movie again until it occurred to me last night spontaneously to do so, but now I am so glad I did because in the end it rewarded my patience in a big way. The second half seemed to go by much quicker than the first half, by the way.

Hope you post a review once you make the leap.
 

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The Stranger
(1991) Directed by Satyajit Ray 8A

The Stranger is Bengali director Satyajit Ray's last movie, and it is a very good one. An upper-middle class family has their lives turned upside down when the wife's uncle, Mitra, who she hasn't seen in 35 years, requests that he come to stay with them for a week. How does the family know that he is who he says he is and not some sort of imposter with a nefarious plan? While Anila, the wife, is moderately cautions, her stuffy and slightly pompous husband Sudhindra is highly skeptical. There are practical issues to consider here obviously, as no one wants their home invaded by a stranger. But there are also aspects of traditional courtesy that Anila does not want to ignore. When Mitra finally arrives, Sudhindra invites various friends over to grill him in an attempt to find out whether he is indeed Anila's long lost uncle. The first conversation is amiable enough, but the second conversation becomes an interrogation. Eventually an answer is forthcoming, though it is not exactly one anyone saw coming. I think of Ray as the greatest director of humanist film ever, and The Stranger certainly supports that contention. Using mostly conversations as the means of exploration, an absolutely amazing number of themes are addressed, from the personal to the profound. Although The Stranger is about family, tradition and culture, the movie is also about how we sometimes place our limitations upon others and are then surprised when they don't fit. Coming at the end of Ray's distinguished career, The Stranger makes for a very worthy valedictory.

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Is “Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy” worth the watch? The cast looks great but I’ve heard it’s a really slow movie

There is no action in it whatsoever. There are a few tense moments.

It's a fascinating exploration of the cost of intelligence work on the psyche and morality of its players and the inevitable collateral damage that ensues. It also juxtaposes the "righteous" conflict of World War II with the ambiguous nature of the Cold War.

A lot of time is spent musing on these topics.

But it's one of my absolute favourite performances by Gary Oldman.

I think you have to really be an espionage hound and have a real appreciation of history to enjoy it (as it is a period piece), but it's the best film on the spy trade that I've ever seen. It's not an easy watch, as there's a fair amount of jargon (the "Circus" is British Intelligence, "Control" is the man in charge, "the Crown Jewels" is vital intelligence information) and they don't explain it very often.

It's about as diametrically opposed to James Bond as you could possibly imagine. The hero is a bespectacled, pale, slow-moving tortoise of a man who says very little and does even less.
 
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kihei

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There is no action in it whatsoever. There are a few tense moments.

It's a fascinating exploration of the cost of intelligence work on the psyche and morality of its players and the inevitable collateral damage that ensues. It also juxtaposes the "righteous" conflict of World War II with the ambiguous nature of the Cold War.

A lot of time is spent musing on these topics.

But it's one of my absolute favourite performances by Gary Oldman.

I think you have to really be an espionage hound and have a real appreciation of history to enjoy it (as it is a period piece), but it's the best film on the spy trade that I've ever seen. It's not an easy watch, as there's a fair amount of jargon (the "Circus" is British Intelligence, "Control" is the man in charge, "the Crown Jewels" is vital intelligence information) and they don't explain it very often.

It's about as diametrically opposed to James Bond as you could possibly imagine. The hero is a bespectacled, pale, slow-moving tortoise of a man who says very little and does even less.
Funny thing. I am reading John le Carre's Smiley's People at the moment and your description is spot on.
 

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You have to be in the right frame of mind, that's for sure. I find with most good slow cinema, I will eventually get into the movie's rhythm, and then the movie actually doesn't seem slow anymore--it seems more like I am reading a really good short story where nuance and detail are important. What makes Jeanne Dielman.... especially challenging as slow cinema goes is that the movie is about the routine and boredom of a highly repressed individual, and that tips the degree of difficulty up a notch. I had no plans to watch the movie again until it occurred to me last night spontaneously to do so, but now I am so glad I did because in the end it rewarded my patience in a big way. The second half seemed to go by much quicker than the first half, by the way.

Hope you post a review once you make the leap.
I feel tempted enough to give it a shot as well now. The Turin Horse would currently be my personal Mt. Everest of slow cinema that I have been able enjoy.
 
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The Cat Returns

I'm surprised that you watched a movie named The Cat Returns so soon after thoroughly hating CATS and posting about it seemingly every other day for the last few weeks. I would've expected you to actively avoid all movies with cats in it for the rest of the year. Maybe CATS affected you more than you know. You're not going to start reviewing all of the cat movies that you can find, are you? :laugh:
 

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