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[kihei]

Does "complexity" and different readings necessary confirm on a film "good movie" status, though? Don't get me wrong, I think you give a likely purrfect reading of between-the-lines Neon Demon, one that at my most catty I would not dispute. And I can see why one might want to bump a movie a point upwards because of clever use of symbolism, subtext, academic cleverness, and so on. But to me, even with your reading, Neon Demon is still a tedious, excessive, indulgent mess of a movie. So while the dimension you discuss is of interest, it does not significantly transform the value of the movie in my eyes. I have a feeling this sort of stuff goes on a lot with both directors who I actively dislike on the whole--Jadoworsky, Aronofsky, some Pasolini--and directors who I usually tolerate well--Von Trier, Malick, Bunuel. It would rarely if ever make or break a movie for me, though.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Does "complexity" and different readings necessary confirm on a film "good movie" status, though? Don't get me wrong, I think you give a likely purrfect reading of between-the-lines Neon Demon, one that at my most catty I would not dispute. And I can see why one might want to bump a movie a point upwards because of clever use of symbolism, subtext, academic cleverness, and so on. But to me, even with your reading, Neon Demon is still a tedious, excessive, indulgent mess of a movie. So while the dimension you discuss is of interest, it does not significantly transform the value of the movie in my eyes. I have a feeling this sort of stuff goes on a lot with both directors who I actively dislike on the whole--Jadoworsky, Aronofsky, some Pasolini--and directors who I usually tolerate well--Von Trier, Malick, Bunuel. It would rarely if ever make or break a movie for me, though.

Doesn't necessarily makes a movie great, for sure, but to me it's enough to avoid the "bad movie" tag. Bad movies don't go there. And (again, to me), none of the directors mentioned ever made a bad movie (well, I haven't seen Jodo's and Aro's last few).

Oh, and I really don't think TND is a mess. I think it's a rather beautiful film, and it feels pretty calculated to me (until Jesse's death anyway).

 

[kihei]

Doesn't necessarily makes a movie great, for sure, but to me it's enough to avoid the "bad movie" tag. Bad movies don't go there. And (again, to me), none of the directors mentioned ever made a bad movie (well, I haven't seen Jodo's and Aro's last few).

Oh, and I really don't think TND is a mess. I think it's a rather beautiful film, and it feels pretty calculated to me (until Jesse's death anyway).

I know you are restricting this to you, which is laudable, but c'mon, none of them has ever made a bad movie? That's an almost ecclesiastical dispensation. I think I might make that claim for Michelangelo works of art but that's where I would draw the line. No other human can claim perfection on that level.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

I know you are restricting this to you, which is laudable, but c'mon, none of them has ever made a bad movie? That's an almost ecclesiastical dispensation. I think I might make that claim for Michelangelo works of art but that's where I would draw the line. No other human can claim perfection on that level.

Never said they made "perfect" movie. They made pretty good films. I know you hate everything by Jodo, that you hate Teorema... all great films IMO.
As for restricting my opinions about art to myself, I think everybody should - I know few people watch films or listen to music the way I do, and as much as I appreciate Jauss' reception theory, I still don't think a greater experience with the artform, allowing one to better appreciate more difficult works, equates to these works being objectively better than simpler productions (in other words, I think my uncle's love for Bud Spencer is as valid as my love for Raoul Ruiz).

 

[Unholy Diver]

Mufasa: the Lion King 6/10

Lion King prequel story of how Mufasa grew from a cub separated from his family to become the eventual leader of Pride Rock, it had it's moments, and the music was decent with songs from Lin Manuel Miranda, but overall I'd say it was just pretty good, a clear and distant 2nd place to fellow holiday family drop Sonic 3