Larsson for the 3rd overall pick... Yes or no.

[glenwo2]

depends, are we keeping our 1st round pick as well or do we just give up Larsson?

if its the pick + Larsson I pass.

Agreed.


If Roy wants just Larsson, you have to AT LEAST "think about it" if you're Lou.


If it involves the 9th pick as well as Larsson, No dice. Lou tells Roy he sucks and he smells bad followed by "status quo", then hangs up the phone.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Doesn't sound like Roy wants Seth Jones and might want to get the Halifax boys while dangling that 1st.

 

[devilsblood]

just curious as to why? #4 overall? innocent question, i would never have conceived moving him until i looked at the facts objectively

Yeah pretty simple, where he was drafted, the fact that he has already proven himself a solid player, the time and interest already invested by the team(and myself).

Of coarse in reality there are numerous trades I would make involving Larsson, but most of those trades are in the fantasy dept.

I kind of think this scenario is as well, but just the same, I say no.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Agreed.


If Roy wants just Larsson, you have to AT LEAST "think about it" if you're Lou.


If it involves the 9th pick as well as Larsson, No dice. Lou tells Roy he sucks and he smells bad followed by "status quo", then hangs up the phone.

Agreed with as well. Considering the D-men in our system and the chance to get another very solid prospect at 9th I think you would have to consider a Larsson for the 3rd overall pick straight up. It is a gamble, but best case you don't lose much on D and gain a ton on offense.

That being said, no way in hell we keep our 9th if we trade up.

 

[devilsblood]

Agreed with as well. Considering the D-men in our system and the chance to get another very solid prospect at 9th I think you would have to consider a Larsson for the 3rd overall pick straight up. It is a gamble, but best case you don't lose much on D and gain a ton on offense.

That being said, no way in hell we keep our 9th if we trade up.

But I don't see no chance of us trading Larsson and the #9.

I'm totally cool with #9 and a d-man not named Larsson to move up.

 

[devilsblood]

Doesn't sound like Roy wants Seth Jones and might want to get the Halifax boys while dangling that 1st.

But I ask again, is Seth Jones the clear cut #1? ISS has MacKinnon currently at the top of their list. And Drouin is looked at as a franchise player in his own right. Thus, I don't see either Tampa or Florida offering a ton to move up.

If the plan is to trade the #1 and still get one of the Halifax twins, I'm not sure that the market is set up to see that plan play out.

 

[Devils Dominion]

I'm taking one of the forwards if I am Roy.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

yea, its not like the Avs need DMen or anything.

 

[Devils86]

The order in wich a prospect is picked is pretty irrelevant IMO. We landed Merrill in the 2nd round and everyone has him sloted as a top pairing d-man or what about P.K. Subban being picked in the 2nd round as well, isn't he a #1 d-man who went well after a bunch of player that won't even dream about being as good as Subban?

I just think we're giving too much credit to Larsson because he was our 4th overall pick and he was talkedabout for a full 12 months before his draft year as being a stud in the making.

If Larsson was available in this draft...and Jones and either forward was gone, with our potential depth at D and our lack of much at F this board would be clamoring to draft the F that fell. So if either is available why not make the deal and then draft the best D or remaining F left at 9. I totally agree with the bolded part.

 

[MadDevil]

yea, its not like the Avs need DMen or anything.

They're on the Edmonton Oilers plan.

 

[MartyOwns]

for those talking about hamilton, despite how great he looked for most of the year, ive seen a lot of struggles from him similar to those we have noticed in larsson as the final stretch of the regular season/playoffs has come.

check back in a few years to see the difference between good player development and poor player development. i know its premature and i hope im wrong, but if both players stick with their current teams i think DH will come out on top. AL wont be bad, but DH will be better...imo

 

[TheUnseenHand]

check back in a few years to see the difference between good player development and poor player development. i know its premature and i hope im wrong, but if both players stick with their current teams i think DH will come out on top. AL wont be bad, but DH will be better...imo

I agree with this. My god did this team butcher Larssons development. I feel bad for him. DeBoer is known for this, though, particularly when it comes to young D men.

 

[MartyOwns]

I agree with this. My god did this team butcher Larssons development. I feel bad for him. DeBoer is known for this, though, particularly when it comes to young D men.

im worried about matteau as well, tbh. for some reason, merrill not so much

 

[devilsblood]

I agree with this. My god did this team butcher Larssons development. I feel bad for him. DeBoer is known for this, though, particularly when it comes to young D men.

im worried about matteau as well, tbh. for some reason, merrill not so much

I think this criticism of Deboer, while having some merit, is overblown. Larsson has way more NHL experience then 99% of d-men his age. Matteau has more NHL experience at this point then anyone on this board expected. Henrique got plenty of time and responsibility as a rook and flourished. Ted's played 40+ games last season, JJ has been given oppurtunity even in the face on injury and poor play. And Loktionov quickly rose through the ranks and earned more playing time amongst the more skilled players since his arrival. Difference between Lokti and the swedes is Lokti actually played well.

Meanwhile Sal, Volch and Tallinder each played under 40 games this year. So it's not as though every veteran player is given all the minutes they can handle.

And after this lousy lockout shortened season, we tend to forget the Deboer oversaw a team that went to the finals in his first year on the job. So it's not crazy that he leaned a little heavier then one would expect on the vet's that led the way.

 

[aqsw]

Why stay status quo. Your not using him, why not get a player that will actually play and not sit on the bench!

 

[Bleedred]

Why stay status quo. Your not using him, why not get a player that will actually play and not sit on the bench!

It's not that we weren't using him. He just was getting scratched more than he should have because of Lou's genius 8 D man carousel, and Pete's entitlement program with the vets like the $4.2 million dollar Kremlin Kone Anton Volchenkov. Fayne got the short end of the stick even more than Larsson though.

 

[NJDevs26]

Larsson did play 37 of the 48 games this season, for all the talk about him being scratched a lot. And half those scratches were in the first two weeks of the season, after he'd been playing regular minutes in the AHL anyway. It's a little premature to say his development's been stunted until we see Year 3 at least.

 

[Bleedred]

Larsson did play 37 of the 48 games this season, for all the talk about him being scratched a lot. And half those scratches were in the first two weeks of the season, after he'd been playing regular minutes in the AHL anyway. It's a little premature to say his development's been stunted until we see Year 3 at least.

Fayne got shafted even more. Though I'll tell you, if Tallinder doesn't get injured then Larsson could have ended up a scratch for god knows how long. Remember Tallinder was hurt in warm ups in a game that Fayne and Larsson were both supposed to be scratched for. Larsson was brought back in though because of Tallinder's injury.

It's mostly on Lou for the joke of an 8 man rotation we had. Though I don't understand how anyone can justify Volchenkov in 2013 over either Fayne or Larsson. Our PK was actually better while Volchenkov and Salvador were injured. Go figure that one.

 

[NJDevs26]

Fayne got shafted even more. Though I'll tell you, if Tallinder doesn't get injured then Larsson could have ended up a scratch for god knows how long. Remember Tallinder was hurt in warm ups in a game that Fayne and Larsson were both supposed to be scratched for. Larsson was brought back in though because of Tallinder's injury.

It's mostly on Lou for the joke of an 8 man rotation we had. Though I don't understand how anyone can justify Volchenkov in 2013 over either Fayne or Larsson. Our PK was actually better while Volchenkov and Salvador were injured. Go figure that one.

Yeah I blame Lou more than Pete for the merry-go-round too. What was Pete supposed to do, really? Scratch Volch the entire season? That wouldn't fly, as much as fans want it this ain't NHL13 where you can do it without taking money or players' feelings into account. We saw what happened with Tallinder, how he got distraught when he was a scratch early in the season. It was really a six of seven merry-go-round for half the season until Harrold got taken out of mothballs and that further gummed up the works.

Fayne I do wonder if he was hurt, he was definitely hurt earlier in the season and during that Ranger game in the final week where he was scratched. He could have been secretly fighting the wrist or whatever it was the whole season. That's the only rational explanation for what happened to him last year, but yeah on the face of it he was shafted far worse than anyone...from the first pairing on a SCF team last year to periodic healthy scratch and third-pairing D this year.

 

[aqsw]

It's not that we weren't using him. He just was getting scratched more than he should have because of Lou's genius 8 D man carousel, and Pete's entitlement program with the vets like the $4.2 million dollar Kremlin Kone Anton Volchenkov. Fayne got the short end of the stick even more than Larsson though.

Don't get me wrong. I really think he is VERY good, but should be playing at least 22 minutes a night. If he's not good enough to do it in New Jersey, than let him develop in the AHL, or trade him for for an asset.

Getting quality minutes in a pro league only helps. Sitting on a bench or in a press box does not help a young player like AL

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Larsson has played in 102 of the 130 games he has been a pro for. and some of that he was injured.

 

[NJDevs26]

Larsson has played in 102 of the 130 games he has been a pro for. and some of that he was injured.

Well that's just regular season. He also only played in 5 of the 24 playoff games, which is where the Larsson is being stunted fear began, between the nineteen scratches there and being sat in the beginning of the season this year. At least he did well enough in those five games that I think it helped though.

 

[Bleedred]

Yeah I blame Lou more than Pete for the merry-go-round too. What was Pete supposed to do, really? Scratch Volch the entire season? That wouldn't fly, as much as fans want it this ain't NHL13 where you can do it without taking money or players' feelings into account. We saw what happened with Tallinder, how he got distraught when he was a scratch early in the season. It was really a six of seven merry-go-round for half the season until Harrold got taken out of mothballs and that further gummed up the works.

Fayne I do wonder if he was hurt, he was definitely hurt earlier in the season and during that Ranger game in the final week where he was scratched. He could have been secretly fighting the wrist or whatever it was the whole season. That's the only rational explanation for what happened to him last year, but yeah on the face of it he was shafted far worse than anyone...from the first pairing on a SCF team last year to periodic healthy scratch and third-pairing D this year.

Lou just can't let it happen again this year. Buyout the Kone, trade Tallinder, trade Fayne even, if it means he'll get to play regularly somewhere else. The one question I kept asking when we started sucking this year. Hey Lou, hows that 8 defensemen working out for you? Also my other phrase. No more 8 defensemen EVER!

Don't get me wrong. I really think he is VERY good, but should be playing at least 22 minutes a night. If he's not good enough to do it in New Jersey, than let him develop in the AHL, or trade him for for an asset.

That's up to our GM to not give us 8 defensemen again. 7 of which are NHL caliber. Volchenkov really isn't NHL caliber anymore, but like Devs26 said. He isn't gonna be scratched the whole season.

I wonder if Larsson was meant to possibly start the season in the AHL last year if there was no lockout? When I suggested it last Summer people jumped all over me. It wasn't something I wanted, it was just a feeling I had. Despite Lou saying he would be in the NHL last Summer, I wonder if he really would have had to fight extra hard for that spot.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Well that's just regular season. He also only played in 5 of the 24 playoff games, which is where the Larsson is being stunted fear began, between the nineteen scratches there and being sat in the beginning of the season this year. At least he did well enough in those five games that I think it helped though.

Dougie Hamilton is a healthy scratch for Boston (even while they are down DMen)...do you hear fans claiming they are stunting his growth?

look, I agree he should be playing every night. but I think this gets way overblown.

 

[NJDevs26]

Dougie Hamilton is a healthy scratch for Boston (even while they are down DMen)...do you hear fans claiming they are stunting his growth?

If you read the Boston board they sure are Or at least they were earlier in the season when I was lurking there (trying to scope out starting goalie info since I had Rask and Khudobin on my fantasy team) and Hamilton started being scratched.

They probably aren't complaining as much now that they're winning playoff games. Then again we were winning playoff games last year and still complained about Larsson being out.