Rumor: Larkin requests trade

[Leibinger6]

Augustine, Cossa, and Postava still haven't done what Wallstedt's done in the NHL. He's more of a known quantity and the others could be used in other trades if they acquired Wallstedt.

No one's saying trade Larkin for Wallstedt straight up. Having the goalie problem solved for the next 5-10 years would be a nice step forward for the long-term.

It just sounds that easy, eh? Lock up a surefire stud goalie for 5-10 years and then let him get absolutely peppered behind our lackluster team. That’s a proven way to permanently damage the kid’s confidence, ruin his career, and tank his value.

We’d be much better off trading Dylan for assets currently missing in our system, than stockpiling goalie prospects. There’s only one net.

To your point of trading our current goalie prospects. Why would we do that? You just said they’ve proven nothing at the NHL level. For that reason, teams won’t pay a premium for them. So what, we trade away a potential Superstar for pennies just because?

Nahh. If Guerin only has Wallstedt to offer, you kindly tell him to F off or convert him to something more desirable.

 

[Ricelund]

It just sounds that easy, eh? Lock up a surefire stud goalie for 5-10 years and then let him get absolutely peppered behind our lackluster team. That’s a proven way to permanently damage the kid’s confidence, ruin his career, and tank his value.

We’d be much better off trading Dylan for assets currently missing in our system, than stockpiling goalie prospects. There’s only one net.

To your point of trading our current goalie prospects. Why would we do that? You just said they’ve proven nothing at the NHL level. For that reason, teams won’t pay a premium for them. So what, we trade away a potential Superstar for pennies just because?

Nahh. If Guerin only has Wallstedt to offer, you kindly tell him to F off or convert him to something more desirable.

I've said multiple times it would have to be Wallstedt plus other assets. Not Larkin for Wallstedt straight up.

 

[Claypool]

Cirell isn’t waving his NTC for Detroit coming from a Tampa fan

If Tampa goes to him and says it’s to move on, he’ll waive it. I don’t think it matters though because I don’t think Larkin is going to Tampa.

 

[JoesuffP]

These are the type of deals that happen around the draft or just before training camp

Would it benefit the wings to add a center EP40/Thomas before making the trade?
I think this getting out publicly has only benefitted the wings

 

[Ricelund]

Why are we even talking about a Cirelli for Larkin trade? Not a chance in hell.

 

[Leibinger6]

I've said multiple times it would have to be Wallstedt plus other assets. Not Larkin for Wallstedt straight up.

No I understood you. But Wallstedt would be the primary piece as he truly is a valuable asset. So it’s almost a non-starter.

Now if they want to add a 1st, Yurov, and the kitchen sink, you consider it. Because (at worst) you can exchange those assets for the ones you do need.

But Front Offices typically discuss these blockbuster type deals ad nauseum and some even hire guys specifically to screen trades before processing to make sure the org isn’t getting totally ripped off.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Outsider. Even if Larking doesn't have any leverage you don't want him to be in a locker room too long as that can affect other players. Just my thoughts.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

No I understood you. But Wallstedt would be the primary piece as he truly is a valuable asset. So it’s almost a non-starter.

Now if they want to add a 1st, Yurov, and the kitchen sink, you consider it. Because (at worst) you can exchange those assets for the ones you do need.

But Front Offices typically discuss these blockbuster type deals ad nauseum and some even hire guys specifically to screen trades before processing to make sure the org isn’t getting totally ripped off.

Tbf those other assets won't bring in jack squat cause they're bottom rung assets

 

[Bondurant]

My dad was a season ticket holder in the dead things era. But despite the wings sucking he spoke fondly of them because they were at least entertaining and had plenty of psychopaths.

Did he win one of the car giveaways?

 

[Leibinger6]

Tbf those other assets won't bring in jack squat cause they're bottom rung assets

Sure. What I meant to say is if Guerin wants to drastically overpay, hence the kitchen sink part. But I agree. Yurov and a late 2027 1st attached to Wallstedt still doesn’t make it for me.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Sure. What I meant to say is if Guerin wants to drastically overpay, hence the kitchen sink part. But I agree. Yurov and a late 2027 1st attached to Wallstedt still doesn’t make it for me.

Not even close man. They’d have to add another 1st + and/or make other moves to then ship our way

 

[Leibinger6]

Not even close man. They’d have to add another 1st + and/or make other moves to then ship our way

Haha I know, and agree. Which is why Wallstedt is a non-starter for negotiations. He’s worth too much and we have bigger needs.

 

[Claypool]

Haha I know, and agree. Which is why Wallstedt is a non-starter for negotiations. He’s worth too much and we have bigger needs.

If I'm trading with Minnesota I'm asking for Wallstedt to start the conversations. You have to give to get.

 

[USAHockey97]

Larks may prefer to be in the press box once the fans get done expressing their displeasure on opening night, Hell, he may prefer to just stay home.


Larkin's leverage is limited, though. Yes, his NMC means he has control of where he goes, but Stevie will get what he wants for his asset. This was true even before the news of this broke. The only difference now is, Larkin has more incentive to get this done ASAP. Stevie can wait as long as it takes to get the deal he wants, as evidenced by what happened with Drouin (19 months to get it done) and St. Louis (two months) in Tampa. Larkin, as with all players, has a limited shelf life, so if he really wants to go to a contender, he needs to be flexible. Some teams have windows opening, while others have windows closing.

That’s fair. But those were over ten years ago? The league has changed a bit since then. Yzerman isn’t the same GM in Detroit as he was in TB also.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

If I'm trading with Minnesota I'm asking for Wallstedt to start the conversations. You have to give to get.

Let's be honest here, if we're trading with Minnesota this is nothing more than another Walman situation, (ie dump a troubled asset for scraps) and SYs time as a NHL GM is finished

 

[Shaman464]

If I'm trading with Minnesota I'm asking for Wallstedt to start the conversations. You have to give to get.

The Wild are the bottom of my list of teams I want Detroit to deal with directly. None of their assets move the needle at all. It would have to be a three team deal with a team that needs goalie and wing prospects and have a stud young center.

 

[jkutswings]

If I'm trading with Minnesota I'm asking for Wallstedt to start the conversations. You have to give to get.

I'm asking for Boldy or Faber. Minnesota can get bent unless there's a third team with assets I like.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

If I'm trading with Minnesota I'm asking for Wallstedt to start the conversations. You have to give to get.

I want nothing to do with wallstedt. He’d have to be flipped elsewhere for other assets

 

[Claypool]

I want nothing to do with wallstedt. He’d have to be flipped elsewhere for other assets

I'd rather keep him. None of Detroit's goalie prospects have the potential he has.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I'd rather keep him. None of Detroit's goalie prospects have the potential he has.

Where you been? Everyone’s been praising Augustine as the next goalie god for ages

+postava + cossa … wallstedt also struggled in the ahl before he came up so I’m not worried yet on cossa + Guimond + pradel . Currently have Gibson

Again don’t need wallstedt. Would be idiotic to trade Larkin and get another goaltender

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I'd rather keep him. None of Detroit's goalie prospects have the potential he has.

But can he score, pass, shoot, play the pp or pk, hit, take face offs?

If SY brings back a goalie no matter how good he might be as the core piece for Larkin, the franchise is toast for a decade if not more

 

[dj4aces]

That’s fair. But those were over ten years ago? The league has changed a bit since then. Yzerman isn’t the same GM in Detroit as he was in TB also.

I understand that. However, like I said, Larkin has a shelf life. Stevie can outlast him if Larks won't play ball.

Aye, Stevie isn't the same GM he was in Tampa, but he also doesn't have the same team he did in Tampa. Almost everything about the Lightning in the 2010s is different from the Wings in the 2020s. If anything though, moving on from Larkin should also change the philosophy of building the team.

 

[FMichael]

I’m not sure how to dumb this down any further.

Hockey GMs who tie up 9M in an asset and then decide to not play it aren’t usually effective or successful.

Let’s put this into other terms, you run a business and buy a 9M piece of machinery that you believe will help your business. Then you use it but find out that it’s not a fit for your operations. Based on what you suggest, you’d just go park it in the backlot and let it depreciate versus sending it out for auction or resale because your too proud to. Ok then.

That’s fair, but what if this piece of machinery isn’t working as intended and at times is deemed a detriment more than a benefit thus having a negative impact upon the company?

 

[Claypool]

Where you been? Everyone’s been praising Augustine as the next goalie god for ages

+postava + cossa … wallstedt also struggled in the ahl before he came up so I’m not worried yet on cossa + Guimond + pradel . Currently have Gibson

Again don’t need wallstedt. Would be idiotic to trade Larkin and get another goaltender

Wallstedt is the best young asset on Minnesota. You can always move him or someone else. He has the best value.

Gibson isn't going to sign long-term here, so he's out. There's been talk of trading Cossa, too.

 

[dj4aces]

That’s fair, but what if this piece of machinery isn’t working as intended and at times is deemed a detriment more than a benefit thus having a negative impact upon the company?

Agree. If that nine million dollar asset is or becomes toxic, allowing their presence in the locker room is asking for trouble.