Rumor: Larkin requests trade

[USAHockey97]

They make a good point, what if Yzerman told Larkin he's not going to be the Captain next Season?

I agree with Valenti here. I lean more team Larkin. Yzerman hasn’t done a good job and now he is finally forced to do something big. I also think Valenti’s take on Yzerman’s arrogance has some merit.

 

[brentashton]

Thing is we don't have to do what Larkin wants. He's under contract for years. This isn't a case where we trade him or he walks for nothing. Wtf do we have to lose? Nobody is lining up to sign here anyway.

How is it s poor use of 9m? 1. He plays it he doesn't get paid. 2. We have plenty of cap.

I’m not sure how to dumb this down any further.

Hockey GMs who tie up 9M in an asset and then decide to not play it aren’t usually effective or successful.

Let’s put this into other terms, you run a business and buy a 9M piece of machinery that you believe will help your business. Then you use it but find out that it’s not a fit for your operations. Based on what you suggest, you’d just go park it in the backlot and let it depreciate versus sending it out for auction or resale because your too proud to. Ok then.

 

[Albatros]

Sure. But Larkin in two years while sitting in the press box or playing less minutes almost certainly gets you much less of a return than making a trade to one of the teams he might want to go to. If Yzerman goes that route, he would seem to be putting his ego over what’s best for the Wings.

I don't think there's any risk of him waiting for two years, players that hold out do so with significantly better cards such as an expiring contract in their hand. Larkin is better off taking the trade that is available and then moving on again later if it's not a fit.

 

[Crunchy]

I’m not sure how to dumb this down any further.

Hockey GMs who tie up 9M in an asset and then decide to not play it aren’t usually effective or successful.

Let’s put this into other terms, you run a business and buy a 9M piece of machinery that you believe will help your business. Then you use it but find out that it’s not a fit for your operations. Based on what you suggest, you’d just go park it in the backlot and let it depreciate versus sending it out for auction or resale because your too proud to. Ok then.

Sorry, but this is real dumb. Are you trying to trade your machinery? Does your machinery have a no trade list?

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

A couple of quotes from other forums that bear repeating;;;

"Just like teams, players like (Larkin) need to take care of their own business however they seem fit. Wings fans better hope he has a few teams he’ll accept a trade to and the return for him will be tolerable because we all know, they are going to lose this trade no matter what. It’s just a matter of how much."

"Yzerman has dealt with this twice before. It may look like Larkin has the leverage but he really doesn’t because Yzerman doesn’t have to trade him, and if Larkin responds negatively to not being traded his value will decrease, which will decrease the chances of him being traded even further.

When Drouin requested a trade in Tampa Yzerman held on to him for more than a year before getting the return he wanted (Sergachev). St Louis also requested a trade under Yzerman (he was also captain at the time). He was traded faster but the returns on both of these helped rebuild the Lightning without delaying their rebuild much."

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

LeBrun said the Larkin's camp would've preferred to work things out privately. He did not say they weren't the source for the news of the trade request. There's a clear distinction between those two statements.

The LeBruns, Friedmans, and Dregers of the world are very careful with their word choice. I suspect the deceptive language here was intentional to make readers draw the exact conclusion that you did.

I think it was another team. Neither the Wings or Larkin’s camp denied the news once Friedman heard he was out there.

That is why a national guy had it instead of someone in Detroit.

 

[USAHockey97]

I don't think there's any risk of him waiting for two years, players that hold out do so with significantly better cards such as an expiring contract in their hand. Larkin is better off taking the trade that is available and then moving on again later if it's not a fit.

Perhaps. I just don’t see an older Larkin who may not be playing much increase or have the same value as right now. It also does not help Detroit at all by keeping him in the press box. Either way, this rebuild under Yzerman has not worked out as people had hoped.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Perhaps. I just don’t see an older Larkin who may not be playing much increase or have the same value as right now. It also does not help Detroit at all by keeping him in the press box. Either way, this rebuild under Yzerman has not worked out as people had hoped.

I really don’t understand the press box angle. If Yzerman cannot get an acceptable deal, he will be stripped of his captaincy and asked to play. He has five years on his deal and isn’t going to retire. He also has to be in hockey shape for the team that does acquire him. We can question how well he will play, but he is going to play if he on the team in October.

 

[USAHockey97]

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I really don’t understand the press box angle. If Yzerman cannot get an acceptable deal, he will be stripped of his captaincy and asked to play. He has five years on his deal and isn’t going to retire. He also has to be in hockey shape for the team that does acquire him. We can question how well he will play, but he is going to play if he on the team in October.

That’s fair. But I also think having him in the locker room and on the ice could impact the teams’ dynamics quite a bit. Who knows.

 

[Run the Jewels]

They make a good point, what if Yzerman told Larkin he's not going to be the Captain next Season?

LOL, Valenti has to bring his dumb takes to a team he knows nothing about because for once the NHL is the hot topic in Detroit.

 

[Holden Caufield]

I think it was another team. Neither the Wings or Larkin’s camp denied the news once Friedman heard he was out there.

That is why a national guy had it instead of someone in Detroit.

It was probably Bill Guerin. Note the source who clearly broke the story (Friedman).

Then Friedman is immediately quoted as saying ‘there is something there with Minnesota. I think Yurov and Stramel should be enough’. Seems like he is basically doing Minny’s bidding in exchange for the info.

Billy probably leaked when Yzerman broke off talks bc they have nothing to offer.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

That’s fair. But I also think having him in the locker room and on the ice could impact the teams’ dynamics quite a bit. Who knows.

I think we just found out how big the disconnect is with the players and management anyway.

Yzerman hasn’t seemed to care before, as most are pointing to his stubbornness why does he now…

 

[USAHockey97]

I think we just found out how big the disconnect is with the players and management anyway.

Yzerman hasn’t seemed to care before, as most are pointing to his stubbornness why does he now…

If he doesn’t care, that should be even more reason for him to go.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

If he doesn’t care, that should be even more reason for him to go.

We can view it that way, but he doesn’t seem to have that internal pressure.

 

[brentashton]

Sorry, but this is real dumb. Are you trying to trade your machinery? Does your machinery have a no trade list?

Asset management is asset management. Obviously you have never run a business.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don't know anything about the captains in the 1920s and 1930s, but looking at the list since then, I would put Larkin at the bottom, the worst captain we've had in nearly a century.

Abel
Lindsay
Howe
Delvecchio
Red Kelly
Bob Probert
Yzerman
Lidstrom
Zetterberg
and then Larkin -- oof, no wonder he wants out

Here’s the real list of wings captains.

List of all the Detroit Red Wings Captains | Hockey-Reference.com

He’s not the worst, but nowhere near the best.

This is dead things 2.0. And I said it about 4 or 5 years ago that Larkin was our McCourt and not our next Yzerman. I’m sticking with that.

 

[Heaton]

Here’s the real list of wings captains.

List of all the Detroit Red Wings Captains | Hockey-Reference.com

He’s not the worst, but nowhere near the best.

This is dead things 2.0. And I said it about 4 or 5 years ago that Larkin was our McCourt and not our next Yzerman. I’m sticking with that.

This is worse than the Dead Things era.

 

[better Red than Dead]

Elite? No. But he’s young enough to figure it out and be a 2nd line center maybe, the prize is McQueen who is 6’5 and plays with an edge.

 

[Run the Jewels]

If he doesn’t care, that should be even more reason for him to go.

Legit LOL at the idea Yzerman doesn't care. One guy said we've got to do better and said publicly that he's committed to getting this fixed. The other guy quietly asked out and got upset when his request became public.

For the record - and I've been saying this since yesterday - I have no problem with Larkin asking out and I think it will ultimately benefit the franchise.

But it's worth pointing out those with an agenda against Yzerman have been wrong time and time again.

• Kris Draper wasn't named GM last summer.
• Larkin wasn't able to force Yzerman's hand due to his NTC.
• Yzerman wasn't pushed out if/when Larkin's time came to an end.

I'm sure the agenda will continue regardless, but that's all it really is at this point.

 

[dj4aces]

I agree with Valenti here. I lean more team Larkin. Yzerman hasn’t done a good job and now he is finally forced to do something big. I also think Valenti’s take on Yzerman’s arrogance has some merit.

The only "team" I'm on, the only one that matters, is the Red Wings.

Valenti is a moron.

 

[Austrianwing]

Asset management is asset management. Obviously you have never run a business.

I am not sure it is good asset management to accept only a very small set of bidders when you sell something, and then prioritize speed over return.
When you sell a piece of machinery do you put an arbitrary 'must sell by' constraint on the process?
Do you always take the first offer?
Do you assess depreciation the same for all types of assets?
I would hold out for a better price a lot longer if I'm selling some machinery than if I am selling a jug of milk...
In other words asset management is not the same for all assets; it is certainly not a simple rule of 'sell as fast as you can to the smallest possible group of buyers and make sure they know you are desperate to sell right now'.
If that's how you want to run your business, have at it. Not my money...

 

[Crunchy]

Asset management is asset management. Obviously you have never run a business.

It's not a question of asset management. When your inanimate machine tells you he doesn't want to work for you anymore, you've already poorly managed the asset. Now it's a question of leverage and deal-making.

So if:

1. Your company is in the practice of trading disgruntled machines
2. You can't simply build that machine again
3. That machine has an incredible 5-year contract

Then it would make sense to gain leverage by simply being willing to sit on it and making other factories believe you'll sit on it.

While your incredible insight of "it doesn't benefit the business to let your expensive machine collect dust" is true, you want to maximize your return on a nearly irreplaceable machine.

The point is that your comparison sucks.

 

[Shaman464]

Not sure I agree. I think Larkin has leverage.

It decreases because Larkin would be 32 and either not played or played like crap for two years. How would that help his value?

What leverage? He can’t force a trade.

 

[ricky0034]

it's not really in either sides interest for this to drag out overly long

realistically Larkin will probably get to say no to a few places he might feel particularly strongly about for some reason or another but that's about it

 

[Run the Jewels]

it's not really in either sides interest for this to drag out overly long

realistically Larkin will probably get to say no to a few places he might feel particularly strongly about for some reason or another but that's about it

Yeah, he's probably not going to Canada, that just seems to be a thing within the league. A team with either a long playoff track record or good young talent with a window that has just opened seem like good landing spots.

He wants out, there are likely quite a few landing spots that would immediately improve his outlook and that is not to be underestimated.