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Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch
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Sasha Orlov
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No we don’t, it’s just that Ghost is clearly not one of them lmfao give it a rest
admiralcadillac
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Hutson is 6 apples away from having the most assists in a rookie dman season ever
Grate n Colorful Oz
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Especially when Hutson compares very favorably to Hughes's rookie season, on almost every level, whether we're talking goalscoring, A1/A2 ratio, PPG, usage, but slightly better 5v5 GA/60 and slightly better 5v5 GF% for Hutson while Hutson is having slightly weaker goalie support (on-ice save%). Their rookie stats are incredibly similar. The two big differences is that Hutson had lower quality pairmates, but is a bit older than Hughes was.
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Panarin is a year and a half older than Gostisbehere, and Gostisbehere was in his D+4 season, not sure that Panarin being older has a ton of relevance for that Calder race.
Some of the pushback has nothing to do with that context either, its that Gostisbehere as a comparable to Hutson doesn't really make sense if you spend time watching either player, it seems more like an on paper comparison. And even on paper, Hutson has been less sheltered than Gostisbehere was both in terms of competition, 5v5 ice time and zone starts.
Its definitely not an insult to compare Hutson and Gostisbehere's rookie seasons, its just odd when there are better and more recent comparisons.
It's funny you mention Panarin and Ghosts age gap, which was 2 years, in their rookie year. Hutson is a true first year pro at 20 years old. Ghost was 2 years older in his rookie year.
The comparison also means that Hutson peaked already knowing what we know of Ghost now.
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Where's is that poster saying that MM was better in march?! LOL
Mmmm 1st since Nick Lindstrom? Well that's impressive.
Hutson, a second-round pick (62nd overall) in the 2022 NHL Draft, became the first rookie defenseman with at least 14 assists in a single calendar month since Alexei Zhitnik in March 1993 (5‑14—19 in 14 GP w/ LAK). Only two other rookie blueliners since Zhitnik have compiled at least 15 points in a single calendar month: Cale Makar in November 2019 (7-9—16 in 14 GP w/ COL) and Quinn Hughes in February 2020 (2-13—15 in 13 GP w/ VAN).
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Someone said that Hutson's rookie season was good enough to beat Ghost's entire career, so I pointed out that Ghost's rookie season was exceptional and better, so no it wasn't. I don't have a strong opinion when it comes to their playstyle btw, but I do think it has changed with injuries. There was nothing more to my post than to show than Ghost's season was oustanding with 17 goals, 8th in the league for dmen ppg (Hutson currently 9th). I don't think anyone can realistically say Hutson is having a better season but you are entitled to your opinion I guess. I think you and others are underestimating non-habs players by an insane degree.
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This alone shows how dishonest you are
Hutson is tied for 4th in D scoring, so why are you using ppg?
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Because Ghost played less games? It's that simple. Oh and also, difference in scoring between eras.
Sasha Orlov
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Hutson still outscores him even at the 64 game mark so that’s clearly not the reason you did it
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Ghost was in his D+5. He was 22 when he started his rookie season and had been drafted 4 years earlier.
Hutson is in his D+3.
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Stating that I am underestimating non-habs players by an "insane degree" because I'm not convinced by a specific take on a specific player's specific rookie season compared to Hutson's based on exactly two stats says more about you than it does me, especially since the main argument I made was its a bad comparison, not that Gostisbehere's rookie season is bad. I didn't even argue that one rookie season was better than the other.
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Hutson tied Ghost's 46 points in his 60th game. 4 games less.
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I don't even know what you're referencing at this point. You'll need to stop being so vague. You realize there was a single 100 points scorer in 2015-2016? Do you not know the higher scoring era we are currently in? You are just looking at their pure point production at face value and taking a victory lap while shunning down any other mention of other offensive rookie defensemen seasons. You can do that if you want but you're being dishonest. I have nothing against Hutson.
Sasha Orlov
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Not doing that at all actually
I’m shutting down your statement that Ghost’s rookie season is better than Hutson’s because it’s clearly not true lmfao I’m sorry you cannot defend the position you’ve chosen to take
Nothing vague about what I said, you're feigning ignorance now
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Celebrini may end up the better player, but what Hutson has done this year is a level above. That he's steadily improved his defensive game over the course of the season while producing at a ppg pace the last month shouldn't be understated. He'll never be a net-front presence, but his tenacity, puck retrieval skills, and puck stealing skills are being overlooked as part of his defensive game. He's doing all that while playing more than 22 minutes a night.
FerrisRox
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Taryn Tkachuk also has two superstar brothers in the league... do you want the Devils to acquire her?
Why do you value the star-quality of a player's sibling? What does that have to do with anything?
FerrisRox
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No, he's not a fairly weak defender. Far from it.
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Well I think it's very true and far from "one of the worst opinion" on a 130 pages thread and I have defended it with very clear evidence. To recap: ton more goals, in a lower scoring era, a much higher percentage of primary points and getting many first place calder votes against a legitimate star player. You can't ignore 17 goals as a rookie defenseman, in a low scoring era, you just can't. That's outstanding. and as of now, the only pushback is from habs fans, so yeah. But as you can see, I think very highly of his rookie season, that should give you a good idea of what I think about Hutson's season too, no? Btw I think him and Reinbacher is going to be a great, if not elite, pair. I was one of the very few non-habs fan who voted for Reinbacher against Nemec and Jiricek on a poll like 2 years ago and it was considered insane at the time, might not end up being too crazy... I'm not a habs hater, and I think Demidov could end up having a similar impact to what Michkov could end up having too.
"very obvious that’s not what you two are doing lmao"
"that’s clearly not the reason you did it"
I found these 2 statements vague, sorry but I think you were insinuating that I was a habs hater. That's my best guess
I like Michkov as much as the other players but he’s being outproduced by a defenseman right now. Can we stop the comparisons? Hutson is in a tier of its own.
