Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch

[The Gr8 Dane]

Hutson has been amazing this year, Montreal's best defenseman and probably their 2nd or 3rd best player.

That being said, Celebrini and Michkov are having better years so far.

Unfortunately you can have as good a shift as you want (and that is pretty much as good a shift as someone can possibly have), but if you're playing with Dvorak, Gallagher, and Anderson you can't make them grow a set of hands by osmosis.

Nothing to be ashamed about being behind Celibrini and Michkov as a dman around their age

 

[dgibb10]

I wasn't the one that made the claim in this thread that a goal is worth more than an assist. Nevermind a secondary assist. They were speaking about primary assists as well. I was simply point out that talking in absolutes is laughable. I can think of numerous situations where an assist was more valuable than the goal having actually played hockey and received said passes.

All I see are weak attempts to discredit a rookie D that has 14 more points more than the second highest rookie D.

The "rookie" d crop this year is dogshit I'm sorry.

All the big dogs from 2022 or earlier have already used their eligibility (except Nikishin who will come over next year) the 2023 D class wasn't good, and 18 year old NHL dmen aren't really a thing.

Like cmon man

 

[kp61c]

kirby dach was hyped as a first line center only a couple years ago. now they have another star on their hands. such a lucky fanbase.

 

[danisonfire]

The "rookie" d crop this year is dogshit I'm sorry.

All the big dogs from 2022 or earlier have already used their eligibility (except Nikishin who will come over next year) the 2023 D class wasn't good, and 18 year old NHL dmen aren't really a thing.

Like cmon man
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Which still leaves him tied for second in rookie points for all skaters. He is the exception to the rest of the D from this draft. He is amongst the highest producers in the entire class at any position and the only D that is near the top of the rookie points list. Some would say he is a burgeoning star.

 

[winnipegger]

He's very good. Time will tell how great he is. Very smooth skater and great vision.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

kirby dach was hyped as a first line center only a couple years ago. now they have another star on their hands. such a lucky fanbase.

So because we have some absolutely cringe idiot homer fans all of us must be like that nice

 

[Bouboumaster]

He’s saying they are valued more , not sure why you’re being obtuse .

And they are valued more for what reasons exactly?

Because you wrongly think that goals are better than points, I'm the one being obtuses?

 

[dgibb10]

Which still leaves him tied for second in rookie points for all skaters. He is the except to the rest of the D.

Yes, he has been good, especially since november started and especially as a PPQB.

But "14 points more than other rookie dman" is disingenious at best as an argument, and speaks more to the weakness of the class rather than anything about hutson. Heck, Seamus casey played 8 games for 9 minutes a night and still leads all rookie dmen in goals.

Would Hutson be a worse player if Edvinsson and Clark played 5 games instead of 9 in 2022-23, making them Calder eligible this year and making Hutson the 3rd best rookie D instead of the best? No.

If the dmen you want to compare Hutson to are Jack St Ivany, isiah George, Nolan Allen, Marc Del Gaizo, and Emil Andrae (the other rookie Dmen with even half of hutson's ice time) be my guest. But that isn't the kind of discussions you want to put hutson in, and we both know that.

And they are valued more for what reasons exactly?

Because you wrongly think that goals are better than points, I'm the one being obtuses?

I can't wait to see if this same logic applies when it comes to Cole Caufield.

 

[danisonfire]

Yes, he has been good, especially since november started and especially as a PPQB.

But "14 points more than other rookie dman" is disingenious at best as an argument, and speaks more to the weakness of the class rather than anything about hutson. Heck, Seamus casey played 8 games for 9 minutes a night and still leads all rookie dmen in goals.

Would Hutson be a worse player if Edvinsson and Clark played 5 games instead of 9 in 2022-23, making them Calder eligible this year and making Hutson the 3rd best rookie D instead of the best? No.

If the dmen you want to compare Hutson to are Jack St Ivany, isiah George, Nolan Allen, Marc Del Gaizo, and Emil Andrae (the other rookie Dmen with even half of hutson's ice time) be my guest. But that isn't the kind of discussions you want to put hutson in, and we both know that.




I can't wait to see if this same logic applies when it comes to Cole Caufield.

He is tied for second from all rookie skaters. Third if you want to put Celebrini ahead even though they are tied in production. The bold is laughable with that context.

He is the only rookie D racking up points as people try to nit pick things to dismiss it. He is clearly doing something right as he is 15th in the entire NHL for primary assists from a D. He is also shooting 0% and will not continue shooting 0% forever. When those start to bounce in, his totals will increase. He is already tied for second out of all skaters while having 0% shooting luck.

As for Cole Caufield (how did we get here), one point is one point. A great example of why Caufield isn't one of the best overall players. Suzuki is far better as he makes everyone around him better.

 

[dgibb10]

He is tied for second from all rookie skaters. third if you want to put Celebrini ahead. The bold is laughable with that context. The point is he is the only d racking up points as people try to nit pick things. He is clearly doing something right as he is 15th in the entire NHL for primary assists. He is also shooting 0% and will not continue shooting 0% forever, so when those start to bounce in his totals will increase.

As for Cole Caufield (how did we get here), one point is one point. A great example of why Caufield isn't one of the best overall players.

THEN MAKE THAT POINT "He is tied for second from all rookie skaters. third if you want to put Celebrini ahead. " THAT is impressive.

Not being 14 points ahead of a bunch of depth dmen who aren't even that highly regarded as prospects, and the closest one has 370 minutes to Hutsons 660.

 

[danisonfire]

THEN MAKE THAT POINT "He is tied for second from all rookie skaters. third if you want to put Celebrini ahead. " THAT is impressive.

Not being 14 points ahead of a bunch of depth dmen who aren't even that highly regarded as prospects, and the closest one has 370 minutes to Hutsons 660. View attachment 944847

I have made both arguments numerous times. You are spinning in circles trying to defend another persons comment that an assist is worth less than a goal.

I am sorry you got mad at my examples of the many cases where that is not true at all and had to make a personal list of all of Hutson's secondary assists and your opinion on them individually. I still see a bunch of haters trying to discredit a really good rookie player. It isn't easy to get 19 points as a rookie D in less than 30 games regardless of what most of you think.

 

[dgibb10]

I have made both arguments numerous times. You are spinning in circles trying to defend another persons comment that and assist is worth less than a goal. I am sorry you got mad at my examples of the many cases where that is not true at all and had to make a personal list of all of Hutson's secondary assists and your opinion on them individually.

Lmao.

Yes, 1 of your arguments was valid.

The one about the other rookie dmen was disingenious and weak.

The first one being fair doesn't make the other any less bad.

In regards to assists vs goals, you tried to make it seem like all of hutson's assists were like that (again, disingenious), by pointing out the rare outlier cases where a secondary assist is more impressive than a goal.

The argument isn't that EVERY goal is more impressive than every assist.

It is that, on average, it is more impressive to score a goal than get a assist.

And so 10 goals and 9 assists is more impressive than 19 assists.

And for your sake, I went through Hutsons assists to see if they were consistently ridiculous plays worth more than the goal. they weren't.

 

[Joe n]

Goal are worth 2 points now?
Assisted goals could have been done unassisted?

You said all goals are assisted. Not true. Some goals are scored without an assist.

 

[amnesiac]

kirby dach was hyped as a first line center only a couple years ago. now they have another star on their hands. such a lucky fanbase.

a couple years ago he was playing well on Suzuki's wing, no one said he was going to supplant him as the 1C. He was always assumed to be the future 2C... Having ACL and MCL surgery and missing a full season has obviously slowed him this year.

And assuming youre being sarcastic about Hutson.... have you even watched him this season? at all? or just another Hab hater?

 

[Fatass]

Imo a star player is often defined by being a must watch. Hutson definitely a must watch.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I can't wait to see if this same logic applies when it comes to Cole Caufield.

What about Caufield?

You said all goals are assisted. Not true. Some goals are scored without an assist.

Ok cool. Thinking that goals is > assist is still just dumb

 

[dgibb10]

What about Caufield?



Ok cool. Thinking that goals is > assist is still just dumb

About how you wouldn't apply that same logic when it comes to cole caufield compared to other wingers.

I have a bit of a hunch all of a sudden in those debates, goals would matter a lot more than assists to you

 

[Phrasing]

What about Caufield?



Ok cool. Thinking that goals is > assist is still just dumb

It’s not dumb. There’s a reason why there’s a trophy for goals but not for assists. Goals are harder than assists. Not all assists are the same either. In most cases primary assists are more valuable and indicative of repeatable production than secondary assists.

 

[Bouboumaster]

About how you wouldn't apply that same logic when it comes to cole caufield compared to other wingers.

I have a bit of a hunch all of a sudden in those debates, goals would matter a lot more than assists to you

I might be biased sometime, but I'm also consistant

It ain't nothing to do with wingers or whatever: points total is points total, that is all there is

Being able to score a goal is obviously super important, but if you're not set-up for MOST of them (happy, Joe n ? I was more precise this time, so you won't be able to try to discard an entire arguement to cherry pick the post and forget to argue the rest), you just don't get there

It’s not dumb. There’s a reason why there’s a trophy for goals but not for assists. Goals are harder than assists. Not all assists are the same either. In most cases primary assists are more valuable and indicative of repeatable production than secondary assists.

I think it's super f***ing dumb, I think there should also be a trophy for number of assists

 

[2028 7th]

Here's the thing about Hutson that the Habs used to be famous for many moons ago, but lost from their identity for so long: he is hugely entertaining to watch. Such a fluid skater, creative, and just a joy to watch.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

The “Celebrini hype” is nowhere close to where it should be, if anything. Incredibly good all around player already. By far the best 5 on 5 rookie going. Michkov is better on the PP and likely takes the award. DK has him at -200, Celebrini at +175, and Hutson at a distant +1200.

Yup, he is indeed better.

 

[ewfwgfwahbger]

Has a better rookie year than Subban and Markov, but is far from the peak of those players.

He's playing with worse goaltenders, that don't play the puck behind the net and doesn't have as good roaming wingers that can get breakways every game like Pacioretty, Bourque, Byron. Savard had a breakway the other day, that was funny.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Are we actually going to pretend that that's what we're talking about here?

I went through his assists.

Vs Ducks: good keep on the PP, Suzuki makes the play to Laine.

Vs Capitals: Hutson makes a 10 foot pass from behind his own net to Newhook. Newhook skates it to center, passes to caufield at the blueline, who enters the zone and passes it back to Newhook who scores.

Vs Nashville: 5 on 3, simple cross ice pass to Laine, who takes a few seconds to gather and then snipes

Vs Islanders: PP, pretty simple PP game of making passes back and forth between laine on the left and suzuki on the right with Hutson as the guy in the middle between them. Pretty simple pass to Laine who takes a second and snipes ot

Vs Boston:

1st: puck cleared by bos, d partner over to hutson, who passes it into evans as he comes outside the blueline, who then skates in and moves it over to a emil who scores

2nd: on a attempted cross crease pass by boston, the puck tips off hutsons stick slightly. Suzuki grabs it out of the corner, skates it out of the zone, all the way into bostons zone and makes a nice pass to caufield who buries it.

Vs NYR: this one is nice. Great keep at the line, leaving NYR flat footed starting their breakout as the puck goes to caufield who then makes a nice feed back to hutson charging in, who then finds an open suzuki with a pretty cross crease pass for the primary assist.

Vs CBJ on the 27th:

OT play where Suzuki knocks down Johnson on a rush, allowing hutson to grab the puck and start to skate on a 2 on 1. Since Johnson is out of the play Hutson is able to make a nice drop pass to suzuki who steps up and fires it home.

Vs CBJ on the 16th:

4 on 4. Faceoff won back to hutson who makes a simple pass over to his d partner. Slapshot from matheson tipped in by anderson

Vs Buff

1st: PP, shot from the point heading wide directed in by Caufield

2nd: Puck comes out to hutson at the blueline, pass over to Heinemen at the point who steps in and scores

Vs Tor: PP, Puck comes out to hutson, over to the right boards for Heinemen who shoots, and gallagher puts the rebound in.

I've gone back more than a month and have not found anything even close to what you're suggesting is happening for his secondary assists. The NYR one is the only thing resembling it and that was a primary assist. These are pretty normal PPQB and dman points tbh.


He has been good, especially since november started an especially as a power play QB, but let's not lie about how he's getting his points shall we?

Hf boards #1 dork,

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

People talk a lot of shit about the Habs some deserved, some not, but Hutson and Demidov is a really nice base to start a rebuild, if Reinbacher can come back healthy and develop, I think his game could compliment Hutson well. Hutson may not be Hughes, but he could be a rich man's Ghost and be an impact player, we'll see.

 

[DJJones]

great thread