Proposal: Landeskog to Isles
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Gigantor The Goalie
Speak for the Goalies
It's rude just to laugh so I'll add this: when the Ducks asked for Landy Sakic asked for Lindholm so there's your barometer for what the Avs want.
Here's the Avalanche center depth:
MacKinnon
Duchene
Soderberg
Mitchell
Want to explain why the Avs need another C?
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You know what Colorado needs? Another stud winger to ADD to Landeskog. They certainly don't need to trade their only top 6 winger on the roster.
We're not trading Landeskog but if we'd do, it wouldn't be for a package but for a dman of similar age/value.
Bud the avs would have to improve in a trade involving landy to do it. Shocking stuff, I know
In this deal the Avs are giving up a player in their biggest area of weakness for 3 pieces they have no need for.
The Avs are trying to contend now, so a low to mid round pick wont help them. They take on an extra contract that would have to be protected during the expansion draft, they don't need anymore centers, especially an underwhelming one like Strome and the Avs have plenty of D prospects.
Gabe is the only actual top 6 winger on their entire roster. NYI doesn't have what it would take to get Gabe who is the 2nd most unmovable player on the Avs roster after Mackinnon.
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Avs44
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Here is what the Avs need:
A top end, youngish defensman who can play on the top pairing
A high end winger in addition to Landeskog
You are suggesting the Avs trade Landeskog, their 23 year old captain and best all around forward. You offer a 21 year old prospect defensman with 15 NHL games played. The Avs already have two 21 year old high end prospect defensmen in Zadorov in Bigras competing for spots this year. Pulock would be great, but for Landy? Hell no. Strome is 23, took a big step back this year, is clearly inferior to both MacKinnon and Duchene, and probably won't be protected by the Isles. A 1st rounder has good value, but the Avs aren't rebuilding. You aren't hitting any of the Avs main needs, and that is an absolute must if they deal Landeskog. Basically, offer a top end defender, or don't try. You're offering three nice pieces, but none of them are essential to the Avs, and in return you want one of the foundational pieces of the club who's only 23, the captain, and signed on a great deal for 5 years. Honestly...you should have figured the answer out before posting.
Also, an expansion draft is coming. The Avs would almost guarenteed have to expose one of Pulock / Strome, so that makes this a doubly easy no.
A top end, youngish defensman who can play on the top pairing
A high end winger in addition to Landeskog
You are suggesting the Avs trade Landeskog, their 23 year old captain and best all around forward. You offer a 21 year old prospect defensman with 15 NHL games played. The Avs already have two 21 year old high end prospect defensmen in Zadorov in Bigras competing for spots this year. Pulock would be great, but for Landy? Hell no. Strome is 23, took a big step back this year, is clearly inferior to both MacKinnon and Duchene, and probably won't be protected by the Isles. A 1st rounder has good value, but the Avs aren't rebuilding. You aren't hitting any of the Avs main needs, and that is an absolute must if they deal Landeskog. Basically, offer a top end defender, or don't try. You're offering three nice pieces, but none of them are essential to the Avs, and in return you want one of the foundational pieces of the club who's only 23, the captain, and signed on a great deal for 5 years. Honestly...you should have figured the answer out before posting.
Also, an expansion draft is coming. The Avs would almost guarenteed have to expose one of Pulock / Strome, so that makes this a doubly easy no.
It's rude just to laugh so I'll add this: when the Ducks asked for Landy Sakic asked for Lindholm so there's your barometer for what the Avs want.
Here's the Avalanche center depth:
MacKinnon
Duchene
Soderberg
Mitchell
Want to explain why the Avs need another C?
Wouldn't really consider that to be their exact C depth, considering MacKinnon, Mitchell, Duchene and Soderberg rank 45, 70, 90 and 98 in faceoffs per game.
MacKinnon only had his first full-time year at C this year, and it saw Duchene on the wing more so than ever. They could use another 2/3 C as Soderberg is best suited in a defensive-minded role.
Avs44
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Not really. Duchene moved to wing because the RW depth was so abysmal. This past year it was Iginla, Comeau, Skille...Tanguay...It was pretty bad, considering Iginla and Tangs were basically done. Really nobody on the team belonged in the top 6 on right wing, so they made Duchene one. It was out of dire straits, not because their centre's aren't good at centre. They could really use a high end winger more than anything else so they can keep Duchene at centre. At this point, it's likely hoping Rantanen becomes that. IF they did acquire a centre, it should actually be an O'Reilly type, not another offensively highly skilled centre. That's actually the last thing they need.
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It's rude just to laugh so I'll add this: when the Ducks asked for Landy Sakic asked for Lindholm so there's your barometer for what the Avs want.
Here's the Avalanche center depth:
MacKinnon
Duchene
Soderberg
Mitchell
Want to explain why the Avs need another C?
Damn, you know you got depth when Malkin is your 4C
Avs44
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He's actually a good 4th line centre, just overstretched into a third line role on the Avs, and sometimes top six wing
facepalm. Was that supposed to be witty?
MikeyMike01
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Forget the trade value, Islanders don't need a LW at all.
Left-handed wingers currently on the roster:
Ladd
Nelson
Lee
Kulemin
Bailey
Chimera
Prince
Left-handed wingers currently on the roster:
Ladd
Nelson
Lee
Kulemin
Bailey
Chimera
Prince
The Kingslayer
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Igor Shestyorkin
#26, the sickest of 'em all.
And Landeskog is better than every single one of those players.
The Avs have no reason at all to move him.
Couldda fooled me.
As for the original deal proposal of giving up Strome, Pulock and a 1st..... no thanks.
I feel that every team has players they wont realistically move. Even if the offer is for one teams players like this that are unlikely to move, adding in a player the other team probably wont move doesn't get anywhere.
Man Bear Pig
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He's actually a good 4th line centre, just overstretched into a third line role on the Avs, and sometimes top six wing
Supposed to be?
I don't think people outside of Avs fans realize how ****ed the Avs would be if they traded any of Duchene, MacK or Landeskog.
Right now as it sits we have a mediocre top 6 of:
Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Grigorenko-Duchene-Iginla
You take out Landeskog and don't really replace him with an equally as good, similarly aged forward and you're sitting with this trash lineup:
Rantanen-MacK-Grigorenko
Comeau?Colborne?-Duchene-Iginla
Unless an equally as good similarly aged forward is coming back to the Avs, I see no way a deal gets done.
Or maybe we could go big and say Landeskog+Varlamov+Barrie for Hamonic+Nelson+Dal Colle+Strome+cap dump
Breaks down to essentially Landeskog for Hamonic, Dal Colle+cap dump for Varlamov, Nelson+Strome for Barrie. Lol....I know this trade would never happen.
Right now as it sits we have a mediocre top 6 of:
Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Grigorenko-Duchene-Iginla
You take out Landeskog and don't really replace him with an equally as good, similarly aged forward and you're sitting with this trash lineup:
Rantanen-MacK-Grigorenko
Comeau?Colborne?-Duchene-Iginla
Unless an equally as good similarly aged forward is coming back to the Avs, I see no way a deal gets done.
Or maybe we could go big and say Landeskog+Varlamov+Barrie for Hamonic+Nelson+Dal Colle+Strome+cap dump
Breaks down to essentially Landeskog for Hamonic, Dal Colle+cap dump for Varlamov, Nelson+Strome for Barrie. Lol....I know this trade would never happen.
Avs44
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I sincerely hope you don't think a comment founded in ignorance actually was...
Ya you're right OP, Avs really need to improve our center depth.
I mean, between Duchene, Mackinnon, Soderberg, Grigorenko, Mitchell all as Natural centers on the Avs roster, as well as having just drafted Jost(A center) in this years draft, and having Compher and Beaudin as natural centers in the system, and using Rantanen as a Center last year to prepare him for that role, we really could use another center.
Especially considering we have so much fantastic winger depth.
Another proposal that only takes 1 teams needs into account. Nevermind the fact that the value is absolutely awful yet again.
Avs pass and block the Islanders number.
It's rude just to laugh so I'll add this: when the Ducks asked for Landy Sakic asked for Lindholm so there's your barometer for what the Avs want.
Here's the Avalanche center depth:
MacKinnon
Duchene
Soderberg
Mitchell
Want to explain why the Avs need another C?
Nowhere in the tweets does it say that ANA asked for Landeskog. We have no idea how that conversation went down. Could just have easily been that COL offered Landeskog for Lindholm and BM turned it down. COLs need for another top pairing D-man is just as big as our need for 1st line LW.
All we know from the tweets is that Landeskog isn't getting you Lindholm. Therefore, you can't say that's about the ballpark of what the return should be. Still, the OP is bad.
Pure Slaughter Value
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That's about as ignorant as his comment. Best record in the league, Stanley Cup Winner, four teams over 100 pts?We all can't default into the playoffs by being in a super easy division
Metro is as strong and probably stronger in 2015-2016 than the Central.
