Landeskog Practicing w/Team

[expatriatedtexan]

I doubt they’d even need to LTIR anyone? Wouldn’t Landys cap number be his total salary divided by 82 games (computed for one game)? It’s probably not much at all to overcome for throwing him in there a few games.

I'll be honest... no matter how many times I ask questions and no matter how many times people here have tried to explain it to me, the cap system just will never really make sense.

 

[Foppa2118]

I personally don’t think they would do that, but I’ve seen a conditioning stint thrown around and I don’t think it’s a wise idea. 2-3 games before playoffs on the California swing to give him a bit of a refresher.

Think you gotta have that first game back at home.

So probably one of these if he comes back during the regular season. First four would be easier first games. Vegas would be a tough first game. Vancouver might be a good bet as the last home game and third from last on the season.

Mar 25 - Wings
Mar 27 - Kings
Mar 29 - Blues
Mar 31 - Flames
Apr 08 - Knights
Apr 10 - Canucks

I was wondering if it might be better to boost the team's chances at winning game 1, from all the energy the team and arena will have by waiting until then anyway, but they'd need home ice, and it's looking like that will be tough to get.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Think you gotta have that first game back at home.

So probably one of these if he comes back during the regular season. First four would be easier first games. Vegas would be a tough first game. Vancouver might be a good bet as the last home game and third from last on the season.

Mar 25 - Wings
Mar 27 - Kings
Mar 29 - Blues
Mar 31 - Flames
Apr 08 - Knights
Apr 10 - Canucks

I was wondering if it might be better to boost the team's chances at winning game 1, from all the energy the team and arena will have by waiting until then anyway, but they'd need home ice, and it's looking like that will be tough to get.

Naw... Remember Forsberg's last comeback attempt? Two games on the road and he retired the night he was supposed to play his first home game.

I somehow think there will be less pressure if starting on the road.

Either way, I really do kinda pity whoever we play that night.

 

[MarkT]

Will they though? The Avs chose Girard over Byram I would imagine in large part because I don't believe they could get the value back that they wanted in moving him. I don't believe many teams will give up a ton of value for a small guy. But plenty of teams cream their pants for a dman who can bring any ounce of physicality to their team regardless if they can actually play hockey or not. See Ben Chiarot. It'd probably cost more the replace Manson, but I just don't think the juice is worth the squeeze in moving Girard.

If they trade Manson, who replaces him on the right side? I don't have an answer. I assume you do. If they trade Girard, there are tons of guys who could replace at least his role on the team. I also disagree that other teams won't value Girard. He's been playing great hockey, and not every GM is a complete idiot who only sees size. There are quite a few teams who could use a reliable puck mover like Girard, and at 5M he's very affordable.

Girard is worth more because he's the better player. A team in its last contending years shouldn't be trading away talented players in their prime like him.

You drop bottom 6 forwards like Colton and Wood as well as aging and injury prone guys like Manson well before you consider moving Girard. Unless of course you have a direct replacement lined up ready to step in right away like when Makar replaced Barrie. Gulyayev and Behrens haven't shown anything in the NHL yet to suggest that they could step into that role now though.

Also that D group doesn't look that great.

The direct replacement is Malinski in terms of role (2nd PP option, puck mover, potential PK), and there are likely guys in free agency every year who could play that role. Also, I agree you move Colton and Wood first - Girard was third on my list of guys to move, right before Manson.

Also, I disagree that contenting teams should not trade away guys like Girard. Assuming Lindgren stays, Girard is your third LD on the depth chart. That's fantastic depth, but also a luxury. And there is nothing that says we can't take the assets we get from trading Girard and reinvest them in the team. Taking from an area of strength to address an area of weakness can often be a very smart move.

Lastly, I know my proposed defense there isn't elite, but it's not counting any free agents to push Middleton to 7, it assumes no promotions from the Eagles, and it only needs to get us to the trade deadline, when I assume if that's the group, CMac would upgrade it. Meanwhile, if we trade Manson, here's the defense:

Toews - Makar
Lindgren - Malinski?
Girard - ???

Or do we move Girard or Lindgren to their off side? Oh, and if Lindgren leaves, then we have a very, very small, soft defense group, even with Middelton in the lineup.

To be clear, I'm only advocating trading Girard if we end up in a cap crunch and it's either him/Manson or someone clearly more valuable to the team. Ideally, I'd like to keep Girard until we have a guy who steals his spot.

 

[The Abusement Park]

If they trade Manson, who replaces him on the right side? I don't have an answer. I assume you do. If they trade Girard, there are tons of guys who could replace at least his role on the team. I also disagree that other teams won't value Girard. He's been playing great hockey, and not every GM is a complete idiot who only sees size. There are quite a few teams who could use a reliable puck mover like Girard, and at 5M he's very affordable.

The direct replacement is Malinski in terms of role (2nd PP option, puck mover, potential PK), and there are likely guys in free agency every year who could play that role. Also, I agree you move Colton and Wood first - Girard was third on my list of guys to move, right before Manson.

Also, I disagree that contenting teams should not trade away guys like Girard. Assuming Lindgren stays, Girard is your third LD on the depth chart. That's fantastic depth, but also a luxury. And there is nothing that says we can't take the assets we get from trading Girard and reinvest them in the team. Taking from an area of strength to address an area of weakness can often be a very smart move.

Lastly, I know my proposed defense there isn't elite, but it's not counting any free agents to push Middleton to 7, it assumes no promotions from the Eagles, and it only needs to get us to the trade deadline, when I assume if that's the group, CMac would upgrade it. Meanwhile, if we trade Manson, here's the defense:

Toews - Makar
Lindgren - Malinski?
Girard - ???

Or do we move Girard or Lindgren to their off side? Oh, and if Lindgren leaves, then we have a very, very small, soft defense group, even with Middelton in the lineup.

To be clear, I'm only advocating trading Girard if we end up in a cap crunch and it's either him/Manson or someone clearly more valuable to the team. Ideally, I'd like to keep Girard until we have a guy who steals his spot.

I mean there's Behrens and Guly in the system... But neither of them are anywhere close to being the 3D on this team. They have some upside for sure, but aren't going to be able to replace Girard. You also have Malinksi and Lindgren... who also aren't able to fill his role. Lindgren due to play style, he won't be able handle the puck moving duties Girard does. And Malinski while decently skilled with the puck stills leave a bit to be desired without it. I think the team would take a step back with him on the 2nd pair. Even if Girard fetches more, you have to replace him and have to replace the far superior player.

As for Manson replacements someone like Connor Murphy would likely be attainable and would be a decent compliment to Girard on the 2nd pair. I mean you have to be open to all options... But I just don't see Girard making sense to move personally.

 

[Richard88]

If they trade Manson, who replaces him on the right side? I don't have an answer. I assume you do. If they trade Girard, there are tons of guys who could replace at least his role on the team. I also disagree that other teams won't value Girard. He's been playing great hockey, and not every GM is a complete idiot who only sees size. There are quite a few teams who could use a reliable puck mover like Girard, and at 5M he's very affordable.

The direct replacement is Malinski in terms of role (2nd PP option, puck mover, potential PK), and there are likely guys in free agency every year who could play that role. Also, I agree you move Colton and Wood first - Girard was third on my list of guys to move, right before Manson.

Also, I disagree that contenting teams should not trade away guys like Girard. Assuming Lindgren stays, Girard is your third LD on the depth chart. That's fantastic depth, but also a luxury. And there is nothing that says we can't take the assets we get from trading Girard and reinvest them in the team. Taking from an area of strength to address an area of weakness can often be a very smart move.

Lastly, I know my proposed defense there isn't elite, but it's not counting any free agents to push Middleton to 7, it assumes no promotions from the Eagles, and it only needs to get us to the trade deadline, when I assume if that's the group, CMac would upgrade it. Meanwhile, if we trade Manson, here's the defense:

Toews - Makar
Lindgren - Malinski?
Girard - ???

Or do we move Girard or Lindgren to their off side? Oh, and if Lindgren leaves, then we have a very, very small, soft defense group, even with Middelton in the lineup.

To be clear, I'm only advocating trading Girard if we end up in a cap crunch and it's either him/Manson or someone clearly more valuable to the team. Ideally, I'd like to keep Girard until we have a guy who steals his spot.

I appreciate your viewpoint but I disagree on the parts in bold copied below.

If they trade Girard, there are tons of guys who could replace at least his role on the team
No, there aren't. Lindgren doesn't have the puck skill Girard has. Malinski isn't as good defensively. You lose a lot either offensively or defensively if you remove Girard for those guys. And neither Behrens or Gulyayev are anywhere near taking a 3D spot.

There are quite a few teams who could use a reliable puck mover like Girard, and at 5M he's very affordable.
One of those teams who could use him is the Avs! The arguments you're making are exactly why the Avs should keep him.

Taking from an area of strength to address an area of weakness can often be a very smart move.

If you remove Girard for picks/assets you'll be weakening what is the most important part of Bednar's system. His system relies on zone entry denial, quick puck retrievals, and quick transitions, which Girard is extremely good at. And as for areas of weakness, the Avs D group is the weakest part of the roster right now as they're set in net, at center, and on the wings, so it makes zero sense to take from the blueline to fill areas elsewhere.

 

[Avs9296]

Can we leave this thread for Landeskog skating with the team as the title suggests? Instead of offseason trades about our defensemen.

 

[dahrougem2]

Can we leave this thread for Landeskog skating with the team as the title suggests? Instead of offseason trades about our defensemen.

Landeskog is replacing Girard

 

[Avs2022]

I appreciate your viewpoint but I disagree on the parts in bold copied below.

If they trade Girard, there are tons of guys who could replace at least his role on the team
No, there aren't. Lindgren doesn't have the puck skill Girard has. Malinski isn't as good defensively. You lose a lot either offensively or defensively if you remove Girard for those guys. And neither Behrens or Gulyayev are anywhere near taking a 3D spot.

There are quite a few teams who could use a reliable puck mover like Girard, and at 5M he's very affordable.
One of those teams who could use him is the Avs! The arguments you're making are exactly why the Avs should keep him.

Taking from an area of strength to address an area of weakness can often be a very smart move.

If you remove Girard for picks/assets you'll be weakening what is the most important part of Bednar's system. His system relies on zone entry denial, quick puck retrievals, and quick transitions, which Girard is extremely good at. And as for areas of weakness, the Avs D group is the weakest part of the roster right now as they're set in net, at center, and on the wings, so it makes zero sense to take from the blueline to fill areas elsewhere.

I'll tell you what Malinski does on a regular basis that Girard struggles with all the time.

Getting his shot on net. Yup, it's the truth. Fight me if you think I'm wrong.

 

[Richard88]

I'll tell you what Malinski does on a regular basis that Girard struggles with all the time.

Getting his shot on net. Yup, it's the truth. Fight me if you think I'm wrong.

Come at me bro

Girard has more goals and a higher shot % than Malinski.

Edit: And to keep to the thread, note that Girard has more goals than Landeskog this season too.

 

[TatteredTornNFrayed]

Can we leave this thread for Landeskog skating with the team as the title suggests? Instead of offseason trades about our defensemen.

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[expatriatedtexan]

Has Landy actually bodied anyone in practice yet?

If not... whose going to be his first?

 

[TatteredTornNFrayed]

Nah, why would we want to discuss Landeskog's progress, road to recovery, when we can re-hash 'trade Girard' discussion a million different ways.

It's not like there are any other threads for discussing roster / GM moves.

 

[TatteredTornNFrayed]

Has Landy actually bodied anyone in practice yet?

If not... whose going to be his first?

There was mention that there was an increase in light contact today with respect to Landeskog? Not sure if the photos with Makar is all that consisted of.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

There was mention that there was an increase in light contact today with respect to Landeskog? Not sure if the photos with Makar is all that consisted of.

That looked like a cuddle, rather than contact.

Embarrased to say that my comment was initially responding to someone on the whole D stuff that was being discussed and realized that folks wanted that conversation to stop, so I just changed it to ask about if/when Landy would start taking more physical contact.

 

[TatteredTornNFrayed]

That looked like a cuddle, rather than contact.

Embarrased to say that my comment was initially responding to someone on the whole D stuff that was being discussed and realized that folks wanted that conversation to stop, so I just changed it to ask about if/when Landy would start taking more physical contact.

I saw that, though admittedly, after you changed it, for a moment I wondered if I was crazy. Admittedly, I've been known to carry on off-topic myself, but this just seems like a thread that might remain interesting throughout the evolution of his journey, and seems a shame for it to turn into 10 pages of trade discussion.

I see that my DVR had recorded one episode of the Landy documentary 3 times already, so there must be some re-airings happening, including one after the game, but I'm not sure if it is the 2nd or 1st episode. I changed my setup to only get first airings, but that might mean I have to manually hunt down the other episode.

I was doing something else during the episode last night, and only partially paying attention. There was "implied" footage of doctor visits in the early stages, prior to all of the complications, but that made me wonder just when in this process they decided they were gonna make this show

 

[Avs2022]

Come at me bro

Girard has more goals and a higher shot % than Malinski.

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Edit: And to keep to the thread, note that Girard has more goals than Landeskog this season too.

Facts mean nothing to me. I have a unfounded bias and I'm sticking to it.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I saw that, though admittedly, after you changed it, for a moment I wondered if I was crazy.

I see that my DVR had recorded one episode of the Landy documentary 3 times already, so there must be some re-airings happening, including one after the game, but I'm not sure if it is the 2nd or 1st episode. I changed my setup o only get first airings, but that might mean I have to manually hunt down the other episode.

I was doing something else during the episode last night, and only partially paying attention. There was "implied" footage of doctor visits in the early stages, prior to all of the complications, but that made me wonder just when in this process they decided they were gonna make this show

I haven't watched EP 2 yet, but it did record. Just double checked and EP 3 is still scheduled to record on Sling.

I'm still trying to find a copy or new air time for EP 1. Would rather see it first, rather than jumping into episode 2 first. Heard it's going to be on Max later on, so I might just end up waiting until then to watch it all, but I'm half expecting Landy to be playing by then.

 

[Avs2022]

Come at me bro

Girard has more goals and a higher shot % than Malinski.

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Edit: And to keep to the thread, note that Girard has more goals than Landeskog this season too.

Malinski has more takeaways in a lot less games/TOI. Better defensively. I challenge you in the parking lot. Of Walmart.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Malinski has more takeaways in a lot less games/TOI. Better defensively. I challenge you in the parking lot. Of Walmart.

Okay... this might be the first time I've ever been tempted to hit up the "Sportsbook" link at the top of the page.

 

[Richard88]

Malinski has more takeaways in a lot less games/TOI. Better defensively. I challenge you in the parking lot. Of Walmart.

I concede, I don't want to play Dungeons and Dragons in Walmart parking lots.

 

[The Moops]

Bastards lied