New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[YearlyLottery]

Yup...

And Leaf fans are jealous of us over the past 5 years.

That says something.

I understand Toronto has not had playoff success but isn't this exactly what you want? A team with elite players who were drafted high?

You also never responded to my other post where I gave you GM's you did great their second chance.

 

[beach]

I said it 7 years ago I will say it now but when the Leafs signed Tavares they should have turned around and traded on of Nylander or Marner for help on defense or goaltending. They were to hellbent trying to win with the Core 4 instead of trying to build a team

TOR should have never signed PJB in the first place, and should have used that money on defense.

 

[boredmale]

TOR should have never signed PJB in the first place, and should have used that money on defense.

I disagree, take the free assets and trade another asset to improve your teams. Toronto could have had a killer teams with Matthews-Tavares-Kadri down the middle, Nylander as the #1 winger a stronger defense.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I disagree, take the free assets and trade another asset to improve your teams. Toronto could have had a killer teams with Matthews-Tavares-Kadri down the middle, Nylander as the #1 winger a stronger defense.

Kadri is an interesting name to bring up. He has went on to have his best years since leaving Toronto. He was a major cog in the Stanley Cup that Colorado won as well.

He has also had a fairly good three years in Calgary aside from that first one.

 

[Strummergas]

Didn't Leafs fans essentially run Kadri out of town (similar to what they're doing with Marner)?

 

[boredmale]

Didn't Leafs fans essentially run Kadri out of town (similar to what they're doing with Marner)?

They got Tyson Barrie back in the deal which at the time Barrie had value. Basically a case of Sakic trading high

 

[BLONG7]

BTW..in case you are wondering...why PLD signed with LA. and was an absolute disaster.

Bergy was trying to get PLD for the Habs from day one. He finally got him as an assistant GM with LA. That went a bad as it possibly get.

I would think most Isles fans want nothing to do with Bergevin............I can't believe the guy even gets interviews. He was brutal in Montreal.....

 

[ScaredStreit]

Kadri received multiple game suspensions in back to back round 1 playoff series. I think that had a big impact on him leaving Toronto.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Name a fan anywhere who can say anything of confidence about any assistant GM anywhere in sports. When you want a candidate who's never done it before then you're always going to be both guessing and taking a risk. Period.

So that's it? You can never hope that an unproven GM is hired for the role? Come on.

However I think it's very significant that well respected in NHL circles who do know Darche do think he's essentially the next great candidate to be a 1st time GM.

And I agree that there aren't great answers at GM. But I think what we do know about the candidates who have done it have to point you in the direction of the guy who hasn't done it.

This is not what I said. I said I’d prefer one of the newer guys as well.

The issue is the intensity you’re talking about him with. Again, we know nothing about him, and that is what is attracting you to him.

There was a time people knew nothing about Kekelainen, who is the devil according to a few of your posts. But if he was still the AGM of the Blues you’d be campaigning for him right now. Bergevin was once AGM of the Hawks while they were winning cups. You would have been all over him 15 years ago.

Just take it easy man.

 

[SI90]

There was a time that having Brendan Shanahan and Patrick Roy on the Islanders together would’ve been incredible lol

 

[IslesNorway]

Generally GMs are given way too much time in hockey, which is why I fear the old boys club. When someone like Shanahan and Bergevin have been in charge for years on end with little or nothing to prove, it shows more incompetence than not. It means they are not really that good and as such the Islanders should stay well clear.
I’d be deeply disappointed with we end up with them because it shows no real desire to win.

 

[impaaaaaact]

From James Mirtle:

"Shanahan wouldn’t be the GM in New York, however. Lightning AGM Mathieu Darche appears to be the front-runner for that role, although the situation is fluid."

 

[PK Cronin]

Didn't Leafs fans essentially run Kadri out of town (similar to what they're doing with Marner)?

Yep, very similar to Kessel. In both cases those were players who couldn't lead a team to the cup but were valuable pieces for a team that could win the cup.

Generally GMs are given way too much time in hockey, which is why I fear the old boys club. When someone like Shanahan and Bergevin have been in charge for years on end with little or nothing to prove, it shows more incompetence than not. It means they are not really that good and as such the Islanders should stay well clear.
I’d be deeply disappointed with we end up with them because it shows no real desire to win.

Oh, I think GMs and coaches are given too little time and it's something of a disservice to the fan bases. How long do you think they should get? The average tenure for most GMs around the league right now is about 4 or 5 years. There are currently only 7 GMs who were employed before 2020:

Sweeney (2015)
Yzerman (2019)
Guerin (2019)
Armstrong (2010)
BriseBois (2018)
McCrimmon (2019)
Cheveldayoff (2011)

With the time it takes draft picks to develop, creating a specific culture and acquiring all the pieces for a championship team takes time. I know people want instant success but I think continually re-starting with a different GM or coach can create more problems if the shift is too dramatic. Every case is different because teams are at different points on the championship trajectory but I'm specifically talking about teams who are at the bottom of the standings and beginning a rebuild.

 

[HajdukSplit]

If Shanahan comes on board as POHO, we may be looking at potentially 5 Assistant GM positions being filled under whoever is hired for GM vs the 2 the Isles currently have if he models this org after Toronto.

Leafs current AGMs:
Assistant General Manager | Brandon Pridham
Assistant General Manager, Player Personnel | Derek Clancey
Assistant General Manager, Player Development | Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser
Assistant General Manager, Hockey Research & Development | Darryl Metcalf
Assistant General Manager, Minor League Ops & GM, Toronto Marlies | Ryan Hardy

Isles current AGMs:
Assistant General Manager, GM of Bridgeport Islanders | Chris Lamoriello
Assistant General Manager | Steve Pellegrini

Pridham was a guy being mentioned in the early GM discussions and seems intriguing but one of the potential issues is apparently he is one of the highest paid non-GM executives in the league. Pretty much a cap/contract guy

 

[2ndGenIslander]

7 years ago when JT walked, never in a million years did i think we'd win a bunch of series and in 7 years the leafs would have only won 2 round with that group.

Watch Shanny end up here and he turns our mediocre group into a cup champion in 2 years. At this point, i believe anything is possible considering what has happened

 

[The Last Red]

I mean some players just can’t handle pressure my man. This is a known fact. We see it all the time here in NY with all the different teams of players who can’t perform in NY.

I’m not arguing that point but to blame the fans and media in TO for the Leafs annual failures, like Marchand seemed to do, is ridiculous. That was my point. Shanny’s refusal to break up the Core Four is a much bigger problem, IMO. Now he will lose a prime asset, Marner, for nada. That’s embarrassing and awful on his part.

 

[SI90]

From James Mirtle:

"Shanahan wouldn’t be the GM in New York, however. Lightning AGM Mathieu Darche appears to be the front-runner for that role, although the situation is fluid."

Hope this is accurate.

 

[PK Cronin]

I’m not arguing that point but to blame the fans and media in TO for the Leafs annual failures, like Marchand seemed to do, is ridiculous. That was my point. Shanny’s refusal to break up the Core Four is a much bigger problem, IMO. Now he will lose a prime asset, Marner, for nada. That’s embarrassing and awful on his part.

The players want their cake and to eat it too. They want all the big money and perks that come from playing in Toronto but want none of the criticism or pressure, it's ridiculous. Those players have showed very little investment in that team so the fans have every right to be upset. They demanded top dollar, they took short deals, they each have had their issues in the playoffs (I remember when Nylander gave up on a 50-50 puck completely because he didn't want to be hit), they choke away series leads, and they simply never get it done. It'd be one thing if the players were showing they cared by locking in long term, leaving it all on the ice, taking discounts on their contracts, but instead they always leave their fans disappointed with their effort.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Hope this is accurate.

But.......situation is fluid! So everything said before that could be completely wrong.

Such a lame, cover ya ass, noncommittal term. I hate it.

 

[The Last Red]

The players want their cake and to eat it too. They want all the big money and perks that come from playing in Toronto but want none of the criticism or pressure, it's ridiculous. Those players have showed very little investment in that team so the fans have every right to be upset. They demanded top dollar, they took short deals, they each have had their issues in the playoffs (I remember when Nylander gave up on a 50-50 puck completely because he didn't want to be hit), they choke away series leads, and they simply never get it done. It'd be one thing if the players were showing they cared by locking in long term, leaving it all on the ice, taking discounts on their contracts, but instead they always leave their fans disappointed with their effort.

And much of that is on one Mr. Brendan Shannahan.

 

[Strummergas]

Yep, very similar to Kessel. In both cases those were players who couldn't lead a team to the cup but were valuable pieces for a team that could win the cup.

Yes, good point. You mentioned Kessel a day or so ago. I should've included him in my post.

 

[beach]

I’m not arguing that point but to blame the fans and media in TO for the Leafs annual failures, like Marchand seemed to do, is ridiculous. That was my point. Shanny’s refusal to break up the Core Four is a much bigger problem, IMO. Now he will lose a prime asset, Marner, for nada. That’s embarrassing and awful on his part.

He's not losing Marner for nothing; he's bringing him to LI, where he'll be unleashed.

 

[Strummergas]

And much of that is on one Mr. Brendan Shannahan.

Didn't Dubas promise Tavares that he wouldn't move any of the young guns when he signed with them? At the time, I took that to mean Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Rielly.

 

[SI90]

But.......situation is fluid! So everything said before that could be completely wrong.

Such a lame, cover ya ass, noncommittal term. I hate it.

They all do it lol nobody really knows anything.

 

[boredmale]

He's not losing Marner for nothing; he's bringing him to LI, where he'll be unleashed.

In all honesty Toronto could still try a sign and trade before July 1. I would be willing to give up Colorado's 2026 first if we could sign him, especially if we could do it before the draft which would give us a better idea going into the draft of what other potential trades we could make(not that I want to trade Barzal but if we can sign Marner it might make sense to try trade Barzal for a top 8 pick)