New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[miscs75]

It may turn out this way. I am just not enamored with his systems and he makes some puzzling decisions.

It's worth a shot honestly. The assistant's outside of Benoit we not his decision and i'm sure it was clashing styles due to Lou being Lou. Ideally you're giving him a chance to try and right the ship with a whole summer of roster adjustments that would fit his style. Replacing some of the players who don't mesh with his system with some new faces who might fit his playstyle would be a step in the right direction at least. Try to get these guys on short term deals so they have to play for a new contract.

 

[doublechili]

Respect. How many of them were unemployed when they were hired to that 2nd Cup winning team?

IDK, but your point was that a GM gets fired for a reason so don't hire a retread. But plenty of retreads have won Cups (they've won more than 25% of Cups in the past 45 years). Whether they were freshly fired or sitting around eating hunks of cheese like an apple doesn't matter.

I get your point and have some of the same concerns. But the fact is that all those Cup-winning retreads were once an "up and coming" GM, and then they got fired from their first job. So a Darche might win multiple Cups as a GM in his career, but he might have to fail someplace first and he might win in his second GM gig.

 

[doublechili]

I thank Snow for those first 2 years roster because that’s just being honest. I was very vocal against Lou’s hiring from the beginning. The more he meddled with the roster the worse it got.

If you get your wish and Roy becomes GM, and he hires a new coach and makes a few roster changes and makes the conference finals next year, will he have done that with Lou's roster?

 

[doublechili]

We can only guess who might get the job, but I will be very surprised if they don't create a large management structure (versus the tiny one we've had). It's possible they could have one person in the dual role of Pres/GM if they really love a candidate and that's a requirement for them to take the job. But, in that case, like with Zito in FLA where he has the dual role, I'll bet they have a big group under him (and special advisors to the top guy).

In my limited knowledge, I don't really see a candidate out there that screams "give them all the power" though. Whether they hire an AGM or a retread like Kekalainen, I'd like to see an experienced "other voice" involved. If it's Bergevin, maybe a few of them.

 

[Throttle]

Hey we can bring the guy back if that's what you and everyone wants. We can also buyout Barzal's contract to make the team better.

Nope, it was time to move on from Lou - 2 seasons ago.

On Barzal, 100% trade him to better utilize the cap space and play a simpler hockey game on the ice.

Watching Dylan Strome making $5M for 60 points and Suzuki making $7.5M (and being their captain), then looking at Mr. Possession/zone entry/can’t take a faceoff for $9M, well, it just must be everyone else on the team ain’t good enough. Yet, I see playoff teams release the puck … quickly and shoot it keeping teams from setting up and getting quality chances. Mr. $9M ain’t doing that and never will do that.

New GM, new coach - change the core players and you’ll see a difference for the better.

 

[GM4Hire]

We can only guess who might get the job, but I will be very surprised if they don't create a large management structure (versus the tiny one we've had). It's possible they could have one person in the dual role of Pres/GM if they really love a candidate and that's a requirement for them to take the job. But, in that case, like with Zito in FLA where he has the dual role, I'll bet they have a big group under him (and special advisors to the top guy).

In my limited knowledge, I don't really see a candidate out there that screams "give them all the power" though. Whether they hire an AGM or a retread like Kekalainen, I'd like to see an experienced "other voice" involved. If it's Bergevin, maybe a few of them.

Of all the names out there for GM, Bergevin better not be the one.Living here in Montreal , he was so bad , it took the spotlight off of how bad our GM was that I had Snow above him when it came to GM’s . Anyone but Bergevin!

 

[seafoam]

Chris Pronger has been hitting the interview/pod circuit pretty hard the past two months. Strong indication he’s drumming up interest. And he’s worked for the league for several years.

I'm a big fan of Pronger but I'm not sure if he's interested in day-to-day management.

 

[miscs75]

Of all the names out there for GM, Bergevin better not be the one.Living here in Montreal , he was so bad , it took the spotlight of how bad our GM was that I had Snow above him when it came to GM’s . Anyone but Bergevin!

If Bergevin doesn’t get hired, who will be the lead prankster on the Isles?

 

[doublechili]

I haven't put much stock in Chiarelli's name being mentioned, but then I read this from Staple today:

"Chiarelli has the backing of many influential people Malkin talks to in the league office, and Chiarelli is a Harvard alum. Malkin holds three degrees from Harvard and holds the school and his fellow alumni in high regard. And Chiarelli has worked for good teams for over 20 years now without a break."

What I’m hearing about the Islanders’ next moves after firing Lou Lamoriello

The Islanders are searching for a new general manager and maybe team president, depending on how they decide to split the job.

www.nytimes.com

Staple talked a fair amount about Holland, and said if he's the top guy and gets to select the GM, it could be Ryan Martin who he worked with for 10 years in DET, or his own son, Brad Holland .

Along with Chiarelli, Staple parroted the Kekalainen and Bergevin names. And he added Dan McKinnon and Jeff Kealty to the list of possible candidates.

Since we're the Islanders, isn't there a rule that says any move we make has to open us up to mockery around the league? So, it'll probably be Chiarelli.

 

[doublechili]

BTW, Staple also poured water over the idea that McPhee would leave VGK.

If you want to keep an open mind about Chiarelli, here is the StL Blues hockey operations hierarchy, underneath their GM, Armstrong:

Special Assistant to the General Manager - Alexander Steen
Vice President, Hockey Operations - Peter Chiarelli

Armstrong is stepping up to Pres after next season, and Steen was brought in to be mentored and take over as GM at that time. So, FWIW, Charelli is really second in command, and StL has been very good (for all the talk about emulating teams like DAL, FLA and TBL, I'd put Armstrong in the top couple of dream candidates if he were available). I'm sure this attempt to keep an open mind will be greeted with a positive response.

 

[WangMustGo]

Nope, it was time to move on from Lou - 2 seasons ago.

On Barzal, 100% trade him to better utilize the cap space and play a simpler hockey game on the ice.

Watching Dylan Strome making $5M for 60 points and Suzuki making $7.5M (and being their captain), then looking at Mr. Possession/zone entry/can’t take a faceoff for $9M, well, it just must be everyone else on the team ain’t good enough. Yet, I see playoff teams release the puck … quickly and shoot it keeping teams from setting up and getting quality chances. Mr. $9M ain’t doing that and never will do that.

New GM, new coach - change the core players and you’ll see a difference for the better.

How did this team do without Barzal? How did Horvat do without Barzal? Why aren’t you complaining about Horvat?

Barzal is the only player on this team that is a legit top line forward. Is he the player you build your forward core around? In my opinion no, but he’s easily the best forward we have and is not the reason we suck. Lee, Pageau, Pulock, Pelech, Engvall, Mayfield, and Cizikas contracts are much bigger issues.

 

[Throttle]

How did this team do without Barzal? How did Horvat do without Barzal? Why aren’t you complaining about Horvat?

Barzal is the only player on this team that is a legit top line forward. Is he the player you build your forward core around? In my opinion no, but he’s easily the best forward we have and is not the reason we suck. Lee, Pageau, Pulock, Pelech, Engvall, Mayfield, and Cizikas contracts are much bigger issues.

So, you keep a player around just bc he’s the best forward? Didn’t Columbus do that with Nash forever? What did that get them?

Are the Isles winning with Barzal as the centerpiece? No, two first round exits and less than impressive game play to influence the series since the team went unleashed.

So, you jettison all the problems you mention, do you really believe the Isles are going to magically upgrade from each one of them? And push Barzal down to being the 3rd/4th forward? No, not happening.

The better strategy is to trade him to make better use of the cap space and roster.

 

[PK Cronin]

I haven't put much stock in Chiarelli's name being mentioned, but then I read this from Staple today:

"Chiarelli has the backing of many influential people Malkin talks to in the league office, and Chiarelli is a Harvard alum. Malkin holds three degrees from Harvard and holds the school and his fellow alumni in high regard. And Chiarelli has worked for good teams for over 20 years now without a break."

What I’m hearing about the Islanders’ next moves after firing Lou Lamoriello

The Islanders are searching for a new general manager and maybe team president, depending on how they decide to split the job.

www.nytimes.com

Staple talked a fair amount about Holland, and said if he's the top guy and gets to select the GM, it could be Ryan Martin who he worked with for 10 years in DET, or his own son, Brad Holland .

Along with Chiarelli, Staple parroted the Kekalainen and Bergevin names. And he added Dan McKinnon and Jeff Kealty to the list of possible candidates.

Since we're the Islanders, isn't there a rule that says any move we make has to open us up to mockery around the league? So, it'll probably be Chiarelli.

So all those bad deals Chiarelli made in our favor was really him playing 4D chess? Get him in here ASAP!

 

[YearlyLottery]

The real problem with hiring a retread is everyone can point to their bad moves. Hiring a fresh face makes us all feel better not because they won't make bad moves but because they can not had the opportunity to do so yet.

 

[IslesNorway]

Kekelainen, Gorton, Bergevin, Holland. Failed. Stay clear. Can’t believe the old boys club is still keeping these guys in the loop.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

The real problem with hiring a retread is everyone can point to their bad moves. Hiring a fresh face makes us all feel better not because they won't make bad moves but because they can not had the opportunity to do so yet.

Apply this to everything.

Draft's coming up.

 

[Throttle]

Kekelainen, Gorton, Bergevin, Holland. Failed. Stay clear. Can’t believe the old boys club is still keeping these guys in the loop.

Probably because the young boys club hasn’t won anything. But get out your poms poms.

 

[WangMustGo]

So, you keep a player around just bc he’s the best forward? Didn’t Columbus do that with Nash forever? What did that get them?

Are the Isles winning with Barzal as the centerpiece? No, two first round exits and less than impressive game play to influence the series since the team went unleashed.

So, you jettison all the problems you mention, do you really believe the Isles are going to magically upgrade from each one of them? And push Barzal down to being the 3rd/4th forward? No, not happening.

The better strategy is to trade him to make better use of the cap space and roster.

I’m not arguing to trade him or not. I am simply saying he isn’t the problem. The problem is Lou never adequately surrounded him with talent. In fact I’m not against trading anyone on the team, but to chastise him like it’s his fault is ridiculous.

 

[miscs75]

I’m not arguing to trade him or not. I am simply saying he isn’t the problem. The problem is Lou never adequately surrounded him with talent. In fact I’m not against trading anyone on the team, but to chastise him like it’s his fault is ridiculous.

 

[Throttle]

I’m not arguing to trade him or not. I am simply saying he isn’t the problem. The problem is Lou never adequately surrounded him with talent. In fact I’m not against trading anyone on the team, but to chastise him like it’s his fault is ridiculous.

He’s just not that player. He would need to be pushed down the lineup by 3 players. You can’t do that when he makes $9M+.

How are the Islanders going to do that?

 

[miscs75]

He’s just not that player. He would need to be pushed down the lineup by 3 players. You can’t do that when he makes $9M+.

How are the Islanders going to do that?

Strip down the team a bit and let the youth get some proper development over the next 2 years. See if you can move out some of the contracts that aren’t cutting it for fresh faces and let the team get a system that develops players properly. Personally I’d like to see them move Roy’s right hand man to the AHL as the head coach and find 4-6 assistants he trusts to put a system in place that can get guys ready in the minors so when they come up it’s seamless. If multiple other teams do it, the Islanders should too. Bridgeport on paper was much better than what they showed on the ice. They picked up solid pieces last summer and there was no reason personnel-wise as to why they were a disaster.

 

[WangMustGo]

He’s just not that player. He would need to be pushed down the lineup by 3 players. You can’t do that when he makes $9M+.

How are the Islanders going to do that?

He is ideally your 3rd/4th best forward, they need to draft better. Not Barzal’s fault that Lou can’t put talent around him. This team needs a rebuild. I am not against trading Barzal, but you are always complaining about Barzal. The other guys I mentioned are far bigger problems.

 

[miscs75]

He is ideally your 3rd/4th best forward, they need to draft better. Not Barzal’s fault that Lou can’t put talent around him. This team needs a rebuild. I am not against trading Barzal, but you are always complaining about Barzal. The other guys I mentioned are far bigger problems.

He’s ignoring how rare a player with Barzal’s puck possession and speed are. If they find talent to put with him, he’s not stuck relying on no one to make stuff happen. Horvat was a step in the right direction but the team needs 2-4 more quality pieces up front with the rest of the current forwards to really make it work.

 

[LeapOnOver]

I feel bad for you and for all of us because we all suffer with this outcome

Yawn.

Since we are sharing recent sounds; fart.

 

[The Last Red]

Kekelainen, Gorton, Bergevin, Holland. Failed. Stay clear. Can’t believe the old boys club is still keeping these guys in the loop.

Gorton seems to be doing quite well . . . and not available.