LAK 5 : PIT 3 - Kopibeast

[cali101]

pearson + shore > lucic, if cap is the only issue. otherwise lucic fits lak like dad on mom.

i agree: looch has clicked since he's been on the carter/toff line.

Weal had a couple of shifts where he was good on the fore check. For all the people clamoring that he needs more ice time, that is the stuff he needs to do in order to stay in the line up and get more ice time. I can almost guarantee you the coaches are telling him that. He'll also be more likely to create a scoring chance doing those things.

fair comment.he looked more confident and solid. it'd be great if clifford/nolan could help with set ups/finishing coz it'll be hard for weal to get any points on that line otherwise. but you never know.

thought brown looked pretty good y'day at times. muzzin and ehrhoff both v.good

 

[Frolov 6'3]

I wanted to add that Weal had a couple of shifts where he was good on the fore check. For all the people clamoring that he needs more ice time, that is the stuff he needs to do in order to stay in the line up and get more ice time. I can almost guarantee you the coaches are telling him that. He'll also be more likely to create a scoring chance doing those things. I get the when you only get 8 minutes of ice time that your minutes are magnified but that is all the reason more to make those minutes count.

i noticed that too. Kinda weird you are the first to bring this up.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

i agree: looch has clicked since he's been on the carter/toff line.



fair comment.he looked more confident and solid. it'd be great if clifford/nolan could help with set ups/finishing coz it'll be hard for weal to get any points on that line otherwise. but you never know.

thought brown looked pretty good y'day at times. muzzin and ehrhoff both v.good

I don't think the coaches care about points. They care about board play, puck battles, making good passes on the break out and through the neutral zone. Any offense or chances created are a bonus. He is not going to play on this team if he can't do those things effectively.

 

[Trolfoli]

I don't think the coaches care about points. They care about board play, puck battles, making good passes on the break out and through the neutral zone. Any offense or chances created are a bonus. He is not going to play on this team if he can't do those things effectively.

If they cared about points/production we'd never see Lewis again.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Or 80% of the roster.

 

[HookKing]

If I was Dean, I would look to trading Martinez before losing both Lewis and King. We seem to have more young defensemen ready to move up than we do forwards.

I don't see the Brown contract as being tradeable. Either Kopitar takes a hometown discount, or Lucic takes one or he won't be here next season. Kopitar's AAV may also impact the roster in potentially losing a guy like Lewis.

Hope Mersch and Zykov are close to being ready.

Yikes, that idea is not just bad but brutally bad. King and Lewis aren't missed at all, the D cannot afford to lose any speed.

 

[KINGS17]

Yikes, that idea is not just bad but brutally bad. King and Lewis aren't missed at all, the D cannot afford to lose any speed.

Well, you are completely wrong about this, or do you think forwards don't have anything to do with defense?

 

[Reclamation Project]

King is very underrated. He's a great utility player that can be put on any line and succeed while being defensively sound. He's so tough on the puck.

I also believe Lewis won't be back next year. He's not worth more than he's making right now and someone will probably throw 2.5-3.5 per at him.

 

[Jeff18]

We have Andreoff on the third line right now. Andreoff. Not to mention Shore is not ready to be a third line center.

Losing King and Lewis would ruin our depth. Getting them replaced would be hard because both are on pretty good contracts.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

I"m a fan of both Lewis and King. King has been out of line up all season and the Kings are still rolling. Now Lewis is out of the line up. What do you think the Kings would look like if Martinez were out of the line up? I don't think there is a defenseman in the line up right now that is expendable with the exception of Ehrhoff and McBain. Can you imagine if they were forced to move up Ehrhoff or McBain on the depth chart AND insert a rookie on the bottom pairing? Martinez is a guy who is quietly earning his pay raise this year and I think the Kings' current Top 4 is likely to remain that way for the foreseeable future. I'm not saying King/Lewis are expendable more than I'm saying Martinez is not expendable.

 

[HookKing]

Well, you are completely wrong about this, or do you think forwards don't have anything to do with defense?

Law of Holes: When you are in one, stop digging. Where did I say forwards don't anything to do with defense? The reality is King and Lewis type players are a dime a dozen. A guy like Martinez that is showing he's top 4 on D and can play either side and has many years left is worth way more than two mediocre forwards. Dude, seriously.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We have Andreoff on the third line right now. Andreoff. Not to mention Shore is not ready to be a third line center.

Losing King and Lewis would ruin our depth. Getting them replaced would be hard because both are on pretty good contracts.

Posted this in another thread

Shore has a 64.6CF%, literally best in the NHL with no filtering needed (i.e. even players that have played one game padding their stats are not better). If you filter that into 'rates', remember that his CA/60 is literally third in the league, only behind two players who haven't even played double-digit games.

Stoll is at 39%, 632nd out of 647 players who have NHL minutes this year, continuing a pattern of being a possession black hole he had even in LA. Filtering for rates like above, he improves...to 398.

Literally the only thing Shore can do better at this point is produce (or I guess put on 40 lbs. and start crushing #1 centers), but I'm not sure even Carter produces with Brown and Lewis driving possession but being scoring black holes at the moment.

Keep in mind I was one of his biggest critics before the season but the guy is clearly a player and getting better every game. I just said right now he'd be a perfect 4C due to lack of production; if his production even remotely catches up with his brain, I think we're fine at 3C. The argument is "will fine be enough in the playoffs" for a team whose legendary depth forced it to a championship, or does Shore improve enough by then?

 

[KINGS17]

Law of Holes: When you are in one, stop digging. Where did I say forwards don't anything to do with defense? The reality is King and Lewis type players are a dime a dozen. A guy like Martinez that is showing he's top 4 on D and can play either side and has many years left is worth way more than two mediocre forwards. Dude, seriously.

Maybe you should stop then. I never said Martinez doesn't have value. In fact, that is one of the reasons he might be moved even though it would hurt a bit.

It depends on how you view the Kings prospects and ability to bring them in to the fold. I think the organization has a defenseman in Forbort that has to be integrated into the lineup soon, and there are a couple of other kids playing on the blueline that will be ready in the not too distant future.

IF you move Martinez this coming off season, the asking price should be a 3C. The money for Kopitar that he seems to be hell bent on getting has to come from somewhere. Do the Kings have the depth up front to lose Lucic, and one of Lewis and King. The AAV overpayment on the Kopitar contract is going to hurt, starting next season.

Please don't use the recent run to justify Lewis' departure. Any team can put together a streak without a valuable supporting player over 5 or 6 games. Over the long haul it doesn't work out.

 

[HookKing]

Maybe you should stop then. I never said Martinez doesn't have value. In fact, that is one of the reasons he might be moved even though it would hurt a bit.

It depends on how you view the Kings prospects and ability to bring them in to the fold. I think the organization has a defenseman in Forbort that has to be integrated into the lineup soon, and there are a couple of other kids playing on the blueline that will be ready in the not too distant future.

IF you move Martinez this coming off season, the asking price should be a 3C. The money for Kopitar that he seems to be hell bent on getting has to come from somewhere. Do the Kings have the depth up front to lose Lucic, and one of Lewis and King. The AAV overpayment on the Kopitar contract is going to hurt, starting next season.

Please don't use the recent run to justify Lewis' departure. Any team can put together a streak without a valuable supporting player over 5 or 6 games. Over the long haul it doesn't work out.

You simply don't dump Martinez to keep Lewis and/or King. Martinez will be very expensive to replace.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Maybe you should stop then. I never said Martinez doesn't have value. In fact, that is one of the reasons he might be moved even though it would hurt a bit.

It depends on how you view the Kings prospects and ability to bring them in to the fold. I think the organization has a defenseman in Forbort that has to be integrated into the lineup soon, and there are a couple of other kids playing on the blueline that will be ready in the not too distant future.

IF you move Martinez this coming off season, the asking price should be a 3C. The money for Kopitar that he seems to be hell bent on getting has to come from somewhere. Do the Kings have the depth up front to lose Lucic, and one of Lewis and King. The AAV overpayment on the Kopitar contract is going to hurt, starting next season.

Please don't use the recent run to justify Lewis' departure. Any team can put together a streak without a valuable supporting player over 5 or 6 games. Over the long haul it doesn't work out.

Who are you replacing Martinez with if you move him? That's something you haven't addressed and that's the reason why I think Martinez > Lewis/King if we're playing Sophie's Choice.

 

[damacles1156]

I would rather lose King/Lewis, than lose A-Mart. A-Mart is finally earning his paycheck. Also he would be really expensive to replace.

There are no Defenders in Ontario that can replace A-Mart, Gravel/Forbort are not ready.

 

[damacles1156]

Move this talk to roster thread.