LAK 5 : NYR 4 - Kopitrick!

[Fishhead]

Muzzin came in as a rookie in 2013 (lockout shortened season)..

By 2013-2014, well, Kings don't win the cup without Muzzin's good play..

McNabb already has close to 2 seasons under his belt.

Will the Kings wait a few more seasons ala Philip Boucher route or get someone right now?

It still took Muzzin more than 100 games to put it together, McNabb is hitting that level of experience with the Kings. His play is concerning, but not sure if it's sell time yet.

I personally think the Kings grab someone else and McNabb drops to #7. Someone like Liles/Russell/Hamhuis would be solid additions. Hamhuis might be a tad expensive.

 

[jfont]

It still took Muzzin more than 100 games to put it together, McNabb is hitting that level of experience with the Kings. His play is concerning, but not sure if it's sell time yet.

Nope, you're wrong on that one...not 100. strike shortend season is less than 45 games.. next season he made the adjustment and was solid from the beginning of the season.

Mcnabb has been with the club since 14-15 season (71 games). and a regular this season (53) and still struggling.

 

[kingsfan28]

didnt see any of the third period or OT so needless to say Im beyond happy the Kings greased this one out. gives Rags fans even more to be salty about

Just dvr the 12 am replay on FSW.

 

[Reclamation Project]

They aren't a tough team the play against, they are THE toughest team to play against in the NHL.

 

[tsanuri]

Nope, you're wrong on that one...not 100. strike shortend season is less than 45 games.. next season he made the adjustment and was solid from the beginning of the season.

Mcnabb has been with the club since 14-15 season (71 games). and a regular this season (53) and still struggling.

And the 17 games Muzzin played in the playoffs that first year really helped him out.
But he wasn't exactly solid from the beginning of the season. By the end he was solid. But there were still plenty of growing pains going on and him being called Muffin.

 

[Trolfoli]

I hate to be the downer here.. but McNabb is probably as good as it gets right now. I don't see a McNabb/Schenn pairing really working all that well... Schenn isn't likely to move off the 3rd pairing so that means McNabb on one of the other 2.

Also trading for a better D for the top pairing would be expensive... there's always the vet route, but the problem Regehr/Mitchell had with that was keeping up with Doughty's minutes.

Are we really *****ing about someone making 650k that's playing on the top pairing? Sure bring in a top line guy to replace him at a few million...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I just think McNabb is miscast. I like him generally as a player.

The biggest difference between Muzzin and McNabb to me at comparable stages is Muzzin's mistakes were turnovers WITH the puck, McNabbs are getting schooled without it...

And I agree with the poster that if you have to move him for help, you do. HE's an RFA so he should be RELATIVELY cheap, but still...if the difference between getting a Trouba or some other #3 was adding McNabb, I do it without blinking. And I Say that full well thinking he'll be a good 2nd pairing d when all is said and done, he just can't seem to work well with Muzzin/Martinez there (small sample size though).

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Move McNabb and other assets for a Hamonic, least in my dreams that would be ideal.

Reunite Muzzin with Doughty, Martinez with Hamonic, and Schenn can play with Gravel who I think is a safer option than anyone else who has been attempted in the #6 role.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Move McNabb and other assets for a Hamonic, least in my dreams that would be ideal.

Reunite Muzzin with Doughty, Martinez with Hamonic, and Schenn can play with Gravel who I think is a safer option than anyone else who has been attempted in the #6 role.

God, I wish.

I would move a lot for Trouba or Myers for that role too though.

I almost don't care about our bottom pairing so much if our top-4 can be rock-solid.

 

[Trolfoli]

I just think McNabb is miscast. I like him generally as a player.

The biggest difference between Muzzin and McNabb to me at comparable stages is Muzzin's mistakes were turnovers WITH the puck, McNabbs are getting schooled without it...

And I agree with the poster that if you have to move him for help, you do. HE's an RFA so he should be RELATIVELY cheap, but still...if the difference between getting a Trouba or some other #3 was adding McNabb, I do it without blinking. And I Say that full well thinking he'll be a good 2nd pairing d when all is said and done, he just can't seem to work well with Muzzin/Martinez there (small sample size though).

Problem here with picking up an established long term solution is the cap hit going forward. Got to keep the cheap option or cut salary elsewhere...

Also McNabb has the ability to throw a hit that makes other teams lose their ****. This is a big part of Kings playoff hockey, and I'm looking forward to when they go into playoff mode.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Problem here with picking up an established long term solution is the cap hit going forward. Got to keep the cheap option or cut salary elsewhere...

Also McNabb has the ability to throw a hit that makes other teams lose their ****. This is a big part of Kings playoff hockey, and I'm looking forward to when they go into playoff mode.

Can't say I disagree really, but if the philosophy is still 'build from the back out,' it's easy to sacrifice salary elsewhere to improve the D, imo.

They may be grooming Gravel here to be the cheap bottom pairing dude.

 

[Trolfoli]

Can't say I disagree really, but if the philosophy is still 'build from the back out,' it's easy to sacrifice salary elsewhere to improve the D, imo.

They may be grooming Gravel here to be the cheap bottom pairing dude.

Just have to see what Lombardi comes up with. He's going to probably have to pull another Gaborik out of his ... hat.... some guy that's not really on the radar.

Edit: long term option: At this point blowing a little extra cash on an actual long term solution would be better then going after a rental (now that Buff is locked up)

Yandle: Was that Pearson that steam rolled him in the corner and stole the puck? That's a little scary.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Not to say that our team had very good goaltending tonight (welcome back to the NHL Budaj) or the previous game, but Raanta plays so deep in the net that as we saw tonight an NHL player is going to pick those corners with ease.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah there are quite a few reasons I'm not high on Yandle, but I trust DL...so meh.

 

[King'sPawn]

I don't get people, unless I am misunderstanding.

Most people here seem to think Muzzin is a fantastic #2 defenseman in the league. Now we're comparing McNabb's growth and end result to Muzzin? Isn't that a bit unfair?

 

[CowMix]

I don't get people, unless I am misunderstanding.

Most people here seem to think Muzzin is a fantastic #2 defenseman in the league. Now we're comparing McNabb's growth and end result to Muzzin? Isn't that a bit unfair?

Muzzin was pretty awful his first couple seasons

 

[zamo86*]

Probably not due to a slow start, but he's been over PPG since December...monster. Especially considering the carrying he was doing through Carter and other injuries.

Probably not, but if he keeps this up its going to be a close affair. He has 30 pts (7g-23a) in 21 games since Christmas (1.43 ppg). There are 28 games remaining and he needs 40 pts to get there (1.43 ppg).

 

[SettlementRichie10]

My favorite interaction on the NYR board:

"LA lucked their way into 2 points."

"Sums up their last four years."

What a delusional bunch.

 

[scryan]

Haha yeah that one got me too. Damn amazing maintain that luck streak for 4 years.

 

[Omni Owl]

My favorite interaction on the NYR board:

"LA lucked their way into 2 points."

"Sums up their last four years."

What a delusional bunch.

The salt is real.

 

[King'sPawn]

Muzzin was pretty awful his first couple seasons

I disagree, but the point is, a lot of people here think Muzzin is a great bargain as a #2, especially at his price, and McNabb is being criticized for not being Muzzin yet (taking longer than him to "get it"). It's just... odd.

 

[Yitz]

Muzzin was pretty awful his first couple seasons

People around here seem to have forgotten how Muzzin was the goat on this team up until those 2014 playoffs. McNabb has had some tough nights, and I won't deny that he looked bad on that goal against by Zucc, but I feel like we are once again giving up on a developing player prematurely. His problems seem to come from inexperience - never before has he played against such high level competition and for so many minutes at that. He's strong, talented and his reads will surely improve the more comfortable he gets playing in the NHL. We should still try to get a top pairing defenseman (obviously since we're going all in this year) but I honestly believe McNabb will have people changing their minds on him by the season's end.

 

[Butch 19]

Yeah, anyone thinking they're having a bad day or just need an attitude adjustment just take the time to read the Rangers' GDT. They must have all just emerged from the Manhattan sewers or something. They just blew right past any vintage Vancouver games. To summarize:

Pre-game (brilliant move resting the King)
Post-game (AV is a total moron for playing the backup).

Kopitar with the luckiest hat trick ever!
Kings get away with interference on every play and the officials were totally letting the Kings get away with murder!
Doughty most overrated player ever!
Kings got all the bounces and nothing but lucky goals!

One funny comment though, Gaborik looked up and saw he was in MSG and knew it was time to get injured again.
:-(

don't forget it shouldn't have been icing just before Kopitar's GTG.

 

[Butch 19]

Google Jimmy Savile.

Or if you want to narrow the search results, "Jimmy Savile child sexual abuse scandal".

GG dude! way to bring a thread waaaaaayyy down.

I need to see this?

 

[jfont]

And the 17 games Muzzin played in the playoffs that first year really helped him out.
But he wasn't exactly solid from the beginning of the season. By the end he was solid. But there were still plenty of growing pains going on and him being called Muffin.

Well, the whole team was solid.. Remember we had all those shutouts with our backup goalies early in the 13-14season? Our d was solid. Muffin included..