Laine blows a goal THROUGH Seider's stick

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

I don't know is it right time to go too deep in Laine/Ovi comparisons, but it is fair comparison especially for their PP presence and shooting. IMO, best comparison available. That is natural as Laine himself was Ovi fan in his youth and studied Ovi's shooting when developing his own. Laine's one timers and wristers from the office do not shade shame over his Idol's and forerunner's shots.

I think Laine is a bit more picky with his shots than Ovi, more selective.

 

[JianYang]

Laine has now played 9 games and currently sits 2nd in the league for power play goals.

 

[Panthers Propaganda]

This was sick. Good for Laine too rooting for the guy.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

This was sick. Good for Laine too rooting for the guy.

It is. Sample is small but here are some current basic PP shooting statistics for Patty this season:

9 games
8 goals
32 total shot attempts (TSA)
____23 shots on goal (SOG)
_____4 blocks against (BA)
_____5 missed PP shots (MISS)

34.78% PP Shooting percentage (PP G/SOG)
71.88% PP Shots Through Percentage (PP SThr% = PP SOG/TSA)

...

These are insane numbers, and hardly sustainable over longer time periods, but this is as lethal and as accurate as PP shooting stats can reasonably be. This is as "Sniper" and "PP specialist" and "Pure Goal scorer" (in this context) as it reasonably can be.

For every 10 shots made over 7 are shots on goal.
For more than every third of shots on goal he makes the result is a scored goal.
His "Real PP Shooting%" is 25% (8G/32TSA), every fourth shot results a scored goal.

His PP Time on ice is 31.6 minutes and PPG/60 is 15.2, meaning that when he is playing PP, on average he scores a goal every 3.95 power play minutes.

Considering where those scoring shots are typically made, these numbers show that Patrik is as "Sniper" and "PP specialist" and "Pure Goal scorer" (in this context) as a hockey player reasonably can be in the modern times.

Ridiculous stuff.

 

[Number8]

The force that it blasted that stick for it to go flying like that is actually insane.

No it really isn’t. Have you ever watched a slo mo of a puck ringing off the goal post? It moves.

“Blasting” through a composite stick that breaks with a light slash is not really insane.

You grossly underestimate the force that a frozen hunk of rubber going 90+ mph carries.

 

[Planetov]

14.6% superior is not easily ?

If you say so, but you'll be alone on that island.

If your nuanced counter to my vague “I don’t know that I’d consider” wording consists of “yuh-huh,” then what exactly are we doing here? So I’ll counter with “nuh-uh,” and leave it at that.

Or would you prefer to elaborate on how 1.9 percentage points makes one player “easily” more accurate than the other, aside from just converting percentage points into percentage difference?

 

[TimeZone]

Bro in complete denial. Matthews has never played with as bad players than Laine did in columbus and Laine was basically PPG in CBJ. Jesus f***ing christ how insecure bitches some of ya can be.

This season will be the first season we can see what he is capable of and the next season even more so. IF he can stay healthy.

Btw, was Matthews producing his even strenght goals with Dach and Newhook? It is literally a joke to say that he would have the same production in a worse team.

Complete denial about what exactly? He had one season of a PPG pace in CBJ and finished up with 138 points in 174 games in CBJ, that is 65 point pace over an 82 game season, nowhere even close to the "near point per game pace" you just completely and totally fabricated, Matthews had more goals alone last season than Laine paced for in CBJ, he has more 60 goal seasons than Laine has 40 goal seasons and instead of acknowledging that Laine has struggled to produce at an elite level at even strength through 500 games in his career you choose to label him a pure victim of his location, which is laughable considering the talent he was surrounded on in his early Winnipeg days. Hell, even on this nice little streak he has rolling he has a single even strength goal thus far through 9 games, that kind of even strength production doesn't exactly scream "sustainable" if you're looking for a 60 goal season.

The Habs are nowhere near as loaded with offensive talent as the Jets where Laine spent nearly half a decade.

Auston Matthews produced better at even strength last season with 45 point Max Domi feeding him the puck, Matthews produces at an elite level regardless of who is on his line and we have more than enough data to showcase this.

I like Laine and I wish him well, however the days of comparing him to MVP caliber talent around the league is long gone for now, if he is able to dramatically improve on his even strength goal scoring ability, manage to stay healthy and pump out some 50+ goal seasons this may be slightly worth discussing but until then Laine is 3 tiers below the elite of the elite.

The man is shooting nearly 25% through 9 games, 9% higher than his career average, this conversation is embarrassing to be having in what is nearly 2025.

 

[teugen]

Complete denial about what exactly? He had one season of a PPG pace in CBJ and finished up with 138 points in 174 games in CBJ, that is 65 point pace over an 82 game season, nowhere even close to the "near point per game pace" you just completely and totally fabricated, Matthews had more goals alone last season than Laine paced for in CBJ, he has more 60 goal seasons than Laine has 40 goal seasons and instead of acknowledging that Laine has struggled to produce at an elite level at even strength through 500 games in his career you choose to label him a pure victim of his location, which is laughable considering the talent he was surrounded on in his early Winnipeg days. Hell, even on this nice little streak he has rolling he has a single even strength goal thus far through 9 games, that kind of even strength production doesn't exactly scream "sustainable" if you're looking for a 60 goal season.

The Habs are nowhere near as loaded with offensive talent as the Jets where Laine spent nearly half a decade.

Auston Matthews produced better at even strength last season with 45 point Max Domi feeding him the puck, Matthews produces at an elite level regardless of who is on his line and we have more than enough data to showcase this.

I like Laine and I wish him well, however the days of comparing him to MVP caliber talent around the league is long gone for now, if he is able to dramatically improve on his even strength goal scoring ability, manage to stay healthy and pump out some 50+ goal seasons this may be slightly worth discussing but until then Laine is 3 tiers below the elite of the elite.

The man is shooting nearly 25% through 9 games, 9% higher than his career average, this conversation is embarrassing to be having in what is nearly 2025.

Jesus christ. Talk about embarrassing. You choose to ignore everything what has been going on with his career and continue to cherry pick the context what suits your narrative the most. Also you keep bringing up Max Domi, so the line was only Matthews and Domi, huh? Ya leafs fans are absolute Pejorative Slured bunch of people. Keep twisting things as much you want, but you're not being the intelligent one even tho you keep telling yourself so.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Besides, what the hell Matthews or Domi has to do with Patrik 'Three tiers below the elite of the elite" Laine shooting through Detroit defender stick during PP?

 

[Canadienna]

Obviously he's not going to score 50 more PP goals this year, but I do think he's gelling well with Hutson and it's part of the reason it's been working so well.

 

[TimeZone]

Jesus christ. Talk about embarrassing. You choose to ignore everything what has been going on with his career and continue to cherry pick the context what suits your narrative the most. Also you keep bringing up Max Domi, so the line was only Matthews and Domi, huh? Ya leafs fans are absolute Pejorative Slured bunch of people. Keep twisting things as much you want, but you're not being the intelligent one even tho you keep telling yourself so.

You're using words you do not comprehend, and you need to stop.

I've utilized Laine's entire NHL career to date, you've argued hypotheticals and made excuses for his lack of production repeatedly.

Laine hasn't shown the ability to produce as a top tier talent at the NHL level throughout his 500 games in the NHL thus far, you attempting to sweep his entire career under the rug and blatantly fabricate easily disproven numbers is what is genuinely embarrassing.

This isn't 2016 anymore Junior, we know exactly who and what Patrik Laine is capable of, move on.

Show me any kind of remotely reliable evidence that suggests Laine is capable of producing at the level of an Auston Matthews caliber talent throughout the duration of an 82 game season, I'd love to see it.

You can't, it doesn't exist.

The projection regarding intelligence is downright painful to read.

Besides, what the hell Matthews or Domi has to do with Patrik 'Three tiers below the elite of the elite" Laine shooting through Detroit defender stick during PP?

If it was brought up for no reason it wouldn't make much of any sense.

This is typically what we use the word "context" for, maybe scroll a little harder next time and you may be able to figure everything out for yourself.

 

[BlueSeal]

Laine is done with everyone's disrespect. This was a warning lol.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

@TimeZone

Scroll and read little bit harder yourself, pal.

Merry X-mas and happy new year to you. Context.

 

[TimeZone]

@TimeZone

Scroll and read little bit harder yourself, pal.

Merry X-mas and happy new year to you. Context.

Nice to see you celebrating a little early.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but I do applaud the effort given your state.

 

[BlueSeal]

Complete denial about what exactly? He had one season of a PPG pace in CBJ and finished up with 138 points in 174 games in CBJ, that is 65 point pace over an 82 game season, nowhere even close to the "near point per game pace" you just completely and totally fabricated, Matthews had more goals alone last season than Laine paced for in CBJ, he has more 60 goal seasons than Laine has 40 goal seasons and instead of acknowledging that Laine has struggled to produce at an elite level at even strength through 500 games in his career you choose to label him a pure victim of his location, which is laughable considering the talent he was surrounded on in his early Winnipeg days. Hell, even on this nice little streak he has rolling he has a single even strength goal thus far through 9 games, that kind of even strength production doesn't exactly scream "sustainable" if you're looking for a 60 goal season.

The Habs are nowhere near as loaded with offensive talent as the Jets where Laine spent nearly half a decade.

Auston Matthews produced better at even strength last season with 45 point Max Domi feeding him the puck, Matthews produces at an elite level regardless of who is on his line and we have more than enough data to showcase this.

I like Laine and I wish him well, however the days of comparing him to MVP caliber talent around the league is long gone for now, if he is able to dramatically improve on his even strength goal scoring ability, manage to stay healthy and pump out some 50+ goal seasons this may be slightly worth discussing but until then Laine is 3 tiers below the elite of the elite.

The man is shooting nearly 25% through 9 games, 9% higher than his career average, this conversation is embarrassing to be having in what is nearly 2025.

Look, those Jets never went ANYWHERE and were an absolute mess. Some folks are victims of themselves, and their environment and Laine was one of those on the Jets. Just going to call it how I see it.

Laine looks great on the Habs and I hope it continues. His story isn't over just quite yet.

At the end of the day, his stats are damn good; Career .80 PPG, 16P in 24G in the playoffs?

And if he can help the Habs get to the next level, that's all that really matters at the end of the day.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Nice to see you celebrating a little early.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but I do applaud the effort given your state.

Dear Timezone, what is exactly your point you try to make in THIS thread? I have no idea!

It's clear that in Laine/Matthews comparisons, Laine wins on The Office PP Snipe'o'Meter with ease, when Matthews is one of the all time goal scoring greats.

Take easy.

 

[TimeZone]

Look, those Jets never went ANYWHERE and were an absolute mess. Some folks are victims of themselves, and their environment and Laine was one of those on the Jets. Just going to call it how I see it.

Laine looks great on the Habs and I hope it continues. His story isn't over just quite yet.

At the end of the day, his stats are damn good; Career .80 PPG, 16P in 24G in the playoffs?

And if he can help the Habs get to the next level, that's all that really matters at the end of the day.

....they literally went to the semi finals in his sophmore season.

His stats are good, they are not anywhere near the level of top level NHL players, Laine has essentially been an extremely streaky PP specialist throughout his 500 game NHL career thus far.

There's nothing wrong with that -- Unless you're comparing him to 69 goal scoring Hart Trophy Winners, in which case you look absolutely ridiculous.

Dear Timezone, what is exactly your point you try to make in THIS thread? I have no idea!

It's clear that in Laine/Matthews comparisons, Laine wins on The Office PP Snipe'o'Meter with ease, when Matthews is one of the all time goal scoring greats.

Take easy.

Well, the my point was a response to posters attempting to compare the two players, there is absolutely no comparison to be made, they're multiple tiers apart.

I agree Laine has the better one timer, and that's where it ends.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Well, the my point was a response to posters attempting to compare the two players, there is absolutely no comparison to be made, they're multiple tiers apart.

I agree Laine has the better one timer, and that's where it ends.

Only serious disagreement here is that "multiple tiers", but I leave it to that now.

 

[TimeZone]

Only serious disagreement here is that "multiple tiers", but I leave it to that now.

Going to need more than a single 40 goal season to make that one a serious conversation.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

If your nuanced counter to my vague “I don’t know that I’d consider” wording consists of “yuh-huh,” then what exactly are we doing here? So I’ll counter with “nuh-uh,” and leave it at that.

Or would you prefer to elaborate on how 1.9 percentage points makes one player “easily” more accurate than the other, aside from just converting percentage points into percentage difference?

Is that a ?

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

there is absolutely no comparison to be made, they're multiple tiers apart.

I agree Laine has the better one timer, and that's where it ends.

So there was a comparison to be made ?

 

[TimeZone]

So there was a comparison to be made ?

In regards to who is the superior goal scorer? No, no there is not.

 

[Planetov]

Is that a ?

So, you don’t want to qualify your remarks? Just snark?

Come on, have a conversation, guy. I’ll posit, you rebut:

I don’t believe 1.9 percentage points—or a 14.6% percentage change in percentage—to constitute one player being “easily” more accurate than another. The operative word here is “easily.”

 

[BlueSeal]

....they literally went to the semi finals in his sophmore season.

His stats are good, they are not anywhere near the level of top level NHL players, Laine has essentially been an extremely streaky PP specialist throughout his 500 game NHL career thus far.

There's nothing wrong with that -- Unless you're comparing him to 69 goal scoring Hart Trophy Winners, in which case you look absolutely ridiculous.

I just look at Laine as what he is, a reclamation project. Lots of potential that we've only seen a glimpse of. Now maybe we'll see what he's really capable of, if he invests himself into it. The player he is capable of being, which is at an elite level, has always been marred by his own inability to roll up his sleeves and really work and hone his craft. Hopefully that's changed. Time will tell.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

So, you don’t want to qualify your remarks? Just snark?

Come on, have a conversation, guy. I’ll posit, you rebut:

I don’t believe 1.9 percentage points—or a 14.6% percentage change in percentage—to constitute one player being “easily” more accurate than another. The operative word here is “easily.”

A 14.6% advantage is not worth an "easily" ?

That's not an hill you want to die on...