Value of: Lafreniere?

Sure the Habs would make a offer, probably willing to overpay.
Laf would be loved by the fans in MTL.

What would the Rangers asked for him from the Habs ?
 
This applies to any player...

If they play for 20 minutes, at most they have control of the puck for 1 minute. The other 19 minutes is where good players find ways to contribute and lazy players hide.
 
This applies to any player...

If they play for 20 minutes, at most they have control of the puck for 1 minute. The other 19 minutes is where good players find ways to contribute and lazy players hide.
He's averaging just over 17 minutes, and has only hit over 17 minutes 3 times in his last 20 games.
 
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Sure the Habs would make a offer, probably willing to overpay.
Laf would be loved by the fans in MTL.

What would the Rangers asked for him from the Habs ?
It won't happen for many reasons but I would want Guhle. If the Rangers are moving off Lafreniere, it needs to help solve their defensive issues. They need LHD that is no worse than 2nd pair worthy probably similar age/similar change of scenery/etc. Asking for Guhle is obviously shooting the moon, but that's the player on the Habs, that makes the most sense if the Rangers are trying to solve one of their problems. Doesn't make sense to move him for another winger. They aren't going to get good value trading him for a center. They aren't going to want futures. So yeah; similar aged LHD that can partner Fox, or frees up K. Miller to partner Fox.
 
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It won't happen for many reasons but I would want Guhle. If the Rangers are moving off Lafreniere, it needs to help solve their defensive issues. They need LHD that is no worse than 2nd pair worthy probably similar age/similar change of scenery/etc. Asking for Guhle is obviously shooting the moon, but that's the player on the Habs, that makes the most sense if the Rangers are trying to solve one of their problems. Doesn't make sense to move him for another winger. They aren't going to get good value trading him for a center. They aren't going to want futures. So yeah; similar aged LHD that can partner Fox, or frees up K. Miller to partner Fox.
Guhle? For Laffy? Sure, and we throw in Suzuki as a sweetener. At best, you get Roy and maybe some change...but that won't happen either.

There is this kid called Demidov that needs a center, Guhle would be available for equivilant center, everything else is fantasy. Period.

There is simply ZERO need for Laffy to the Habs. That he is even mentioned is the French factor that plays well with extremely limited segment of fans. Maybe 1%.
 
Guhle? For Laffy? Sure, and we throw in Suzuki as a sweetener. At best, you get Roy and maybe some change...but that won't happen either.

There is this kid called Demidov that needs a center, Guhle would be available for equivilant center, everything else is fantasy. Period.

There is simply ZERO need for Laffy to the Habs. That he is even mentioned is the French factor that plays well with extremely limited segment of fans. Maybe 1%.
I agree with you. That’s one of the first things that I wrote. The Habs won’t, and shouldn’t make that deal. But the Rangers also should not trade Lafreniere if they aren’t getting a difference making/potential difference making LHD either
 
Lafreniere is exactly what he is. He is a very good 5v5 scorer, and that does count for more than a lot of people in this thread make it out to be. At the same time, he has never been the driving force on his line and while I get the points about the Rangers PP being so good, at some point the player themselves has to force themselves into an opportunity.

That kind of player makes pretty much exactly the $7.5M he does. What is his value in a trade? I have no idea but that's pretty much all a product of not knowing at all what Drury is going or even wants to do.
 
It won't happen for many reasons but I would want Guhle. If the Rangers are moving off Lafreniere, it needs to help solve their defensive issues. They need LHD that is no worse than 2nd pair worthy probably similar age/similar change of scenery/etc. Asking for Guhle is obviously shooting the moon, but that's the player on the Habs, that makes the most sense if the Rangers are trying to solve one of their problems. Doesn't make sense to move him for another winger. They aren't going to get good value trading him for a center. They aren't going to want futures. So yeah; similar aged LHD that can partner Fox, or frees up K. Miller to partner Fox.
you're correct it would never happen
 
ES production is very good - only 36 players in the league with more 5-on-5 points than he has and only one (Panarin) is on his team.
I can cherry pick stats too. He’s a team second worst -15 while playing with a solid center in Trocheck and a potential HOF player in Panarin.

More importantly, his play, especially on the defensive side doesn’t pass the eye test. He has some offensive skills, but is lazy in the defensive zone.

While he may get better, he’s been in the league long enough to confidently slot him in as a middle six winger and an overpaid one at that.

I do give him credit though. He had his best season in a contract year.
 
I can cherry pick stats too. He’s a team second worst -15 while playing with a solid center in Trocheck and a potential HOF player in Panarin.

More importantly, his play, especially on the defensive side doesn’t pass the eye test. He has some offensive skills, but is lazy in the defensive zone.

While he may get better, he’s been in the league long enough to confidently slot him in as a middle six winger and an overpaid one at that.

I do give him credit though. He had his best season in a contract year.
Don’t see how It’s cherry picking when talking about 5 on 5 production.

The solid center you’re talking about has 34 5 on 5 points, 14 goals. Lafreniere has 40 5 on 5 points and 15 goals.
 
Don’t see how It’s cherry picking when talking about 5 on 5 production.

The solid center you’re talking about has 34 5 on 5 points, 14 goals. Lafreniere has 40 5 on 5 points and 15 goals.
It’s easier to put up points when you don’t back check and play defense. Laf is a -15, team second worst, while Trocheck is a +2.

Any guess as to what Laf’s production would be playing with linemates other than Trocheck and Panarin?

I’ll admit he doesn’t suck but he’s a disappointment as a #1OA pick and one year into his new deal he is currently overpaid and underperforming.
 
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Don’t see how It’s cherry picking when talking about 5 on 5 production.

The solid center you’re talking about has 34 5 on 5 points, 14 goals. Lafreniere has 40 5 on 5 points and 15 goals.
I'm pretty harsh on Lafreniere but I can admit when he's playing better, moving his feet and looking like a real good player. Last season he was doing exactly that. But this is a real disappointing follow-up season for him. This is the kind of season that makes you question what kind of season you'll get from him through-out the future years. He needs a big bounce back season. The entire team needs a bounce back season. He made me eat my words last season. He needs to make me eat my words again next season.

If we want to get into 5 on 5 points, how many of them came in the first 19 games? What's his pace for 5 on 5 points since that? We can't ignore that he just stopped putting in effort after the first 20 games or so when talking about his total even strength production. You're using the best stat here to justify the season wasn't so bad.
 
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I have a feeling post TDL JT Miller wanted to ease his way into the locker room this year given the reputation of him being an asshole.

Give him a training camp and a new year with the team and I think Laffy is going to be on his (and the new coaching staff's) radar as prime candidate #1 to get reamed out for lack of effort. I expect a big bounce back year for Laf, not because that's what I hope but because of the dynamic of the team. Some of the old jaded vets will probably be gone and there will be better leadership next season that won't tolerate some of the shit he pulled this year.

Rangers aren't selling low on this one. At worst they wait until next years TDL if he has a disappointing start to the season. That puts him roughly on the same timeline of patience that Kakko had, which makes sense. The difference here is that he's extended long term which will not help the value.
 

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