Value of: Lafreniere to Toronto

[HockeyVirus]

I think more like 4-5 million, he’ll be 34 when deal is up, and turns 35 during camp on his next deal.

We'll see I guess.

And then every year all you see is what would it take to get this player in Toronto. 50% retained, of course, while taking back the cap you no longer want. Can it be done, sure. Will it be done, no, I don't think so. I think Nylander is the odd man out here unless they win the cup. Are they going to spend 8ish or whatever it takes on Nylander? I just don't think they will. I think Nylander will end up pricing himself out of what they can afford on the cap for his spot.

Show me a team trying to contend who is not against the cap. This argument is a poor one, especially when you try and say take back cap you no longer want. Leafs haven't done that to my recollection. They dumped Ritchie and a pick for a depth dman, but that is far different than trying to claim the Leafs are dumping cap while taking on big pieces.

Leafs have and continue to be one of the best teams at navigating the cap in the league. Not concerned at all. Not to mention, if you check their cap situation they have 50 million of cap space that offseason and 30 million more coming off the season after.

Why wouldn't he look at Mathews and Marner and even Tavares and say I want the same as them?

More importantly why wouldn't his agent?

Why wouldn't Pierre Engvall point at Nylander and say pay me like him?

Probably because there is a clear tier difference between him and those three.

 

[Golden_Jet]

We'll see I guess.



Show me a team trying to contend who is not against the cap. This argument is a poor one, especially when you try and say take back cap you no longer want. Leafs haven't done that to my recollection. They dumped Ritchie and a pick for a depth dman, but that is far different than trying to claim the Leafs are dumping cap while taking on big pieces.

Leafs have and continue to be one of the best teams at navigating the cap in the league. Not concerned at all. Not to mention, if you check their cap situation they have 50 million of cap space that offseason and 30 million more coming off the season after.



Why wouldn't Pierre Engvall point at Nylander and say pay me like him?

Probably because there is a clear tier difference between him and those three.

While true on 50 million cap space, that is with only 4 players signed.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

We'll see I guess.



Show me a team trying to contend who is not against the cap. This argument is a poor one, especially when you try and say take back cap you no longer want. Leafs haven't done that to my recollection. They dumped Ritchie and a pick for a depth dman, but that is far different than trying to claim the Leafs are dumping cap while taking on big pieces.

Leafs have and continue to be one of the best teams at navigating the cap in the league. Not concerned at all. Not to mention, if you check their cap situation they have 50 million of cap space that offseason and 30 million more coming off the season after.



Why wouldn't Pierre Engvall point at Nylander and say pay me like him?

Probably because there is a clear tier difference between him and those three.

Yah that's a false equivalency if I've ever seen one, wow.

Tavares and Nylander are both PPG, hardly a tier between them, in fact I'd bet most would take Nylander over Tavares any day of the week.

So fine, merely looking at Tavares, why doesn't Nylander or his agent say I deserve to be paid the same?

 

[bernmeister]

at just past 21? only to the lightly informed
he gets virtually no PP time
leads his draft class in GP, 2nd in G, 3rd in points, even tho he obviously has not hit his stride yet

while more than ever, in all sports, some very young guys produce immediately at highest level, that ain't the only dev arc

dumping on kids in their early 20's is a HFB pastime,
but not anywhere near how real hockey decisions are made

NYR aren't down on Laf, don't want to move him

the whole point, of Threads like this, are to suggest a seeming 'equitable trade' based on 'stats to date' so OP's team can steal the better asset

no thanks, from NYR

this ^ and again,
LaF play improved signif w/better skating and correct linemates

ny does not trade except if a special situation

 

[HockeyVirus]

Yah that's a false equivalency if I've ever seen one, wow.

Tavares and Nylander are both PPG, hardly a tier between them, in fact I'd bet most would take Nylander over Tavares any day of the week.

So fine, merely looking at Tavares, why doesn't Nylander or his agent say I deserve to be paid the same?

Because the people who watch games know Nylander is not as good as Tavares .

 

[Homesick]

I'd love to see Toronto make a stupid trade but I don't see them having interest at all in Lafreniere right now. Nor would they even consider the HF-NYR asking price

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Because the people who watch games know Nylander is not as good as Tavares .

So maple leaf fans would prefer Tavares over Nylander?

 

[HockeyVirus]

So maple leaf fans would prefer Tavares over Nylander?

Not sure what you are getting at. Nylander is younger so you would want him longer term. But today and in the past, Tavares is and has been the better and more important player. One of the best faceoff center in the league, plays hard minutes for the Leafs, our best PP player, and plays a style we need more of in our top 6 being more of a grinder who likes to cycle.

Nylander is an elite player don't get me wrong, and he has stretches where he is playing better. But really outside of his skating, Tavares has better tools across the board. Doesn't mean Nylander isn't also a very good first line winger and important to the team success.

Tavares has been the Leafs best player over the full season sample size. Marner is starting to take over but he is better than Tavares and has been for a few years

 

[goonybird]

Leafs badly need a top 6 LW and would be gambling a change of scenery would unlock some potential here. What could a trade look like here?

Leafs badly need a top 6 LW and would be gambling a change of scenery would unlock some potential here

Leafs badly need a top 6 LW

a top 6 LW

Value of: Lafreniere to Toronto​

 

[JustAHabFan]

Dach went for the 13th pick plus a 3rd and Montreal is looking like a winner on that deal so far. Toronto is likely to be picking in the 20s so their 1st is not nearly enticing enough for the Rangers. Any Leaf player with a significant cap hit is off the table since the Rangers have to be cap compliant. I would think that a pick in the top 10 plus a nice prospect is the minimum value or else the Rangers just keep him and let him develop for good or bad. Leafs aren’t a good trade partner for the Rangers.

Because of the astronomical asking price, no team is a good trade partner for the Rangers. Just close this thread already.

 

[Crede777]

How about the 1st overall pick from 2020 for the 1st overall pick from 2016? Toronto can add a pick since the guy from 2020 is younger and still an RFA.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

A cursory look at capfriendy the Leafs have 16m in expiring contracts that coincide with Matthews and Nylander requiring extensions.
With the cap rising, it looks fairly manageable.

It will be more challenging the following year when Marner and Tavares need extensions. However, I cannot imagine Tavares given his age would require another 11m per year contract.

Tavares more then likely extends for 2 to 3 years at 6.5 mill as long as his production stays good.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Yah that's a false equivalency if I've ever seen one, wow.

Tavares and Nylander are both PPG, hardly a tier between them, in fact I'd bet most would take Nylander over Tavares any day of the week.

So fine, merely looking at Tavares, why doesn't Nylander or his agent say I deserve to be paid the same?

I'd say they are equal players currently. Neither are as good as Matthews and Marner despite Matthews slow start. Also do people forget Tavares is up when Marner is ? Tavares likely signs for 6.5 x 2 or 3.

 

[Jerkbait]

'23 1st, '24 1st, Knies, Kokkonen
otherwise, NYR needn't bother

LOL good luck with that..stay in school

 

[Field of Dreams]

Never try to catch a falling knife

 

[kihei]

Judging from some of these crazy offers, Laf must be the current most overrated player on these boards.

 

[dubplatepressure]

How about the 1st overall pick from 2020 for the 1st overall pick from 2016? Toronto can add a pick since the guy from 2020 is younger and still an RFA.

Well done.

 

[Jozay]

Leafs need a good forward. Pass.