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Ar-too said:
Two of the Messiest Messi goals you'll ever see. The touch with his right foot to make Carvajal look silly on his first.
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Thing is, he makes that play 9/10 times or something, in the same conditions.

Any other TOP striker probably doesn't even think of it - but if they do, they manage to do that maybe 1/10 times.

Incredible, incredible player.

I'm not even sure he's lost a step... His speed with the ball is the same, and that's what makes Messi what he is, among other things: abnormal speed with the ball in his feet, and he never ever loses control of it.
 
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BTW, saw the game again today, watching for some more tactical stuff etc.

All I can say is, either these players are uncoachable tactically...
Or Zidane and Lucho have their jobs because of who they were when they played.

Okay, I'm being too mean... But tactically, especially on defence, these teams are a wreck.
They get by on a ridiculous amount of talent... but yeah.

I don't know what's more amazing, Barcelona pushing forward 2-1 up and against 10 men and getting countered; or Real pushing 6 players at Barca's 30m line for a Barca throw-in and opening themselves up for a counter with 30 seconds to go at 2-2.
 
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les Habs said:
Not only was Messi's winner his 500th for the club, but that goal also made him the all time leading scorer in el Clasico history as he surpassed di Stefano.
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Pretty sure the first goal made him top scorer? Now he's 2 goals up?

Corto said:
Few highlights from me from last night:
- Rakitic was excellent, best Barca player after Messi and ter Stegen (Roberto was amazing on the goal as well)
- Iniesta's pass to Suarez and his volley and the nice Navas save was as good a pass as you'll ever see, simply amazing
- Ronaldo was awful lol... Like... I mean, at this point, if he doesn't put away chances, he doesn't offer much to their team
- Casemiro was beyond dumb, and ultimately, probably cost his team - Kovacic and Kroos are not nearly as adept defensively, both were way too far and reacted badly on Rakitic's goal - and Zidane had to take him off because it was a matter of time before he got a 2nd yellow
- linesmen were awful, for both teams - ref however, held up pretty good. Marcelo's elbow looked like an accident to me, and I'm sure to most people... Ramos' red was deserved and was the right call. The Ronaldo pen thing at the start... I've seen those given more often than not, but he did go down easy
- Ramos got sent off twice in the last 3 El Clasicos (last year in the 2-1 win at Nou Camp) - both times well deserved
- neither of these teams can't hold a candle to Juventus as far as tactics or tactical discipline goes
- Marcelo needs to stop Roberto and get a yellow (even a red) on that last play - it's something every Juve player does no questions asked (Khedira did when Alex Sandro lost the ball vs Barca, for example)
- I love Kovacic and his potential, but he was jogging back on the last Messi goal... Modric and Marcelo sprint back to cover people, Kovacic jogs back - and he only came on 20 mins earlier. Awful, irresponsible defending (similar to Masche vs Juve on the 2nd Dybala goal)
- ter Stegen is the best Barca keeper in recent memory

And finally, I never got to see Gretzky play at his peak, just the last few years. I got to watch only the last 3 Chicago years of Jordan's career (95-98).
It's a pleasure, and a privilege, to have watched Messi throughout his career.
What a player, what an athlete - I have no idea how people compare anyone else to him as far as football goes. Peak Cristiano was a goal machine, IMO #2 player all-time, but doesn't come close to Mesi.

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I think Zidane has some tough calls to make in the upcoming games.
At some point, he's got to give a chance to Morata over either Ronaldo or Benzema (Ronaldo has been shockingly bad at every but finishing - but now failed there as well).
And having an injured, out-of-shape Bale doesn't help.
I hope Bale's back to his full form next season, such an amazing player when he's on form.

Barca has the easier schedule, and no CL, I fully expect them to grab all 15 points from now on
Osasuna, Villareal and Eiber home, Espanyol, Las Palmas away.
Real has Valencia and Sevilla at home, and then Deportivo, Malaga, Celta and Granada away. Some tricky games there.

It's very likely that Real stupidly high press with 5 players, a man down, at 91.30 of the game, Roberto's run and Messi's finish turned the championship with that one move.
I just wonder if it was Zidane's call or the players just pressed of their own accord there.

Best game I watched in a while - at least the most exciting one.
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Can't disagree much here. I still think Ronaldo was not a penalty has it wasn't much contact and he wasn't in a position to score.JMO

Again, don't disagree with a lot here.

Corto said:
BTW, saw the game again today, watching for some more tactical stuff etc.

All I can say is, either these players are uncoachable tactically...
Or Zidane and Lucho have their jobs because of who they were when they played.

Okay, I'm being too mean... But tactically, especially on defence, these teams are a wreck.
They get by on a ridiculous amount of talent... but yeah.

I don't know what's more amazing, Barcelona pushing forward 2-1 up and against 10 men and getting countered; or Real pushing 6 players at Barca's 30m line for a Barca throw-in and opening themselves up for a counter with 30 seconds to go at 2-2.
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Thanks, it's clear as day they are clueless but the majority seem to think they're wonderful coaches. Pity.

I was laughing my ass off at how open they were. Less so, when Barca was pushing up on 2-1. Lucho didn't even bother using a 2nd sub when he should've brought on Masch to wrap the game up.
 
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Luiginho said:
It's a clear red. In Neymar's case they were trying to delay his suspension so he could play in the clasico.
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Well, nothing prevents them from appealing.

It's gonna be denied because it was a clear red, and everyone'll go on.
 
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Theokritos said:
Frankly, isn't that a given?
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It's not just ask Mcsorely and the other Madrid fan.

It's even worse in real life.

Scandale du Jour said:
This.

Appealing is the right move. Chances of success are however very low.
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I actually wouldn't be shocked if it does get over turned.

Live in the Now said:
http://www.marca.com/futbol/primera-division/2017/04/25/58fe79d0ca474184338b457c.html

Definitely not a rigged league.
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That's hilarious... Especially , when you think a 2nd yellow and "clapping" gets you 3.
 
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BTW I forgot to mention this is the 2nd big game Isco has been hung out to dry. IF this doesn't show him that he needs to get his ass out of Madrid (in a WC year) he doesn't deserve his talents.
 
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Live in the Now said:
http://www.marca.com/futbol/primera-division/2017/04/25/58fe79d0ca474184338b457c.html

Definitely not a rigged league.
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Savi said:
1 game for Ramos :laugh:

Frankly, I'm almost surprised they haven't suspended Messi for his vicious headbutt on Marcelo's elbow
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Not surprised by any of it. It's been this way for a long time. Fortunately guys like Pique and Lucho stand up to it. Still we need a guy like Laporta back who will call out it out for what it is.
 
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