There is no guarantee that PLD is better than Byfield next season. The past is over. The odds of Byfield putting up 80 points in a single season are likely higher than PLD doing so due to age and games played.
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FSL KINGS
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The Vilardi issue.
Throwing a Kempe deal at him would be interesting. Vilardi hasn't earned a lot for hockey players. Would he take a guaranteed 20M? King's don't have the cap for that though.
So bridge deal. Vilardi would probably want a 1 year bridge as he feels he could breakout next year.
If he puts up 20-30 goals what's that on a new contract? 6-8? Contracts have gone up recently & cap is going to start increasing.
If he has another figuring it out year do they just bridge him again?
Either Vilardi hits & is hard to fit on the cap or he doesn't & is just another Iafallo, Arvidsson level player.
Running out of road.
Throwing a Kempe deal at him would be interesting. Vilardi hasn't earned a lot for hockey players. Would he take a guaranteed 20M? King's don't have the cap for that though.
So bridge deal. Vilardi would probably want a 1 year bridge as he feels he could breakout next year.
If he puts up 20-30 goals what's that on a new contract? 6-8? Contracts have gone up recently & cap is going to start increasing.
If he has another figuring it out year do they just bridge him again?
Either Vilardi hits & is hard to fit on the cap or he doesn't & is just another Iafallo, Arvidsson level player.
Running out of road.
BigKing
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Blake seems to have finally got the memo that this team is soft and they obviously have concerns about Byfield's development and the ticking clock that is Kopitar continuing this level of production.
PLD is not tough but he is a bit of a rat. I don't like his 77 hits last season but his 112 the year before would have had him 3rd on last year's Kings team behind Grundstrom and Kempe. The thing with PDL is that he is an asshole and he will look for that opportunistic big hit that can hurt someone which is something the Kings lack.
He doesn't do it a ton though and he is not able to fight his own battles. You tack on the CBJ saga and you worry about a long term deal in LA. Dean's concern about players coming here to live at the beach is alive and well since the organization is being run by those dudes with Blake being the biggest example.
If you could bottle that one playoff run with CBJ and have that be the every night PDL then you'd have a hell of a player. I imagine if Blake is really serious about this, he's talking himself in to the idea that a happy PDL would play more like that version.
It would just be something to have all these high draft picks and have it just turn into getting Fiala and PLD on big contracts while getting pretty much nothing from ELCs. Mind blowing. Clarke will need to be a savant to make Blake's mini-rebuild look good. If he is on another level, a lot of his misses will be water under the bridge but man this is not looking great.
PLD is not tough but he is a bit of a rat. I don't like his 77 hits last season but his 112 the year before would have had him 3rd on last year's Kings team behind Grundstrom and Kempe. The thing with PDL is that he is an asshole and he will look for that opportunistic big hit that can hurt someone which is something the Kings lack.
He doesn't do it a ton though and he is not able to fight his own battles. You tack on the CBJ saga and you worry about a long term deal in LA. Dean's concern about players coming here to live at the beach is alive and well since the organization is being run by those dudes with Blake being the biggest example.
If you could bottle that one playoff run with CBJ and have that be the every night PDL then you'd have a hell of a player. I imagine if Blake is really serious about this, he's talking himself in to the idea that a happy PDL would play more like that version.
It would just be something to have all these high draft picks and have it just turn into getting Fiala and PLD on big contracts while getting pretty much nothing from ELCs. Mind blowing. Clarke will need to be a savant to make Blake's mini-rebuild look good. If he is on another level, a lot of his misses will be water under the bridge but man this is not looking great.
BigKing
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I love Vilardi but I still worry about injuries. It's not just the back thing but the way he likes to dance and shift out of the way leaves him vulnerable to knee-on-knee hits. Had to hold my breath several times last season. In no way saying it is a reason to get out of the Vilardi business but look for it if you haven't noticed already.
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I really like Gabe Vilardi don't get me wrong; but I believe Arthur Kaliyev has much higher potential.
If I HAD to move one it'd be Vilardi due to his injury history and Kaliyev probably being a 35+ goal scorer down the line.
If I HAD to move one it'd be Vilardi due to his injury history and Kaliyev probably being a 35+ goal scorer down the line.
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Lets see to get PL Dubois,I'd trade Vilardi,Bjornfot,Grundstrom,Iafallo,Moore,Lizotte and Roy! But the Jets have to throw in LStanley too!As for Hellebucyk well how about Turcotte...forget it LA doesn't have enough to get Hellebucyk
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People keep using Kempe and Fiala as the example of why we should wait for Byfield. Should the same be said for PLD?
I’m not trying to say we should trade for him, but those guys were the same age PLD is now when they broke out.
KingsHockey24
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Or players that are rats.
Gimmie a Daniel Carcillo - Maxim Lapierre - Steve Downie 4th line.
johnjm22
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With Vilardi, you've gotta do either a 1 year deal, or a pretty significant long term deal. Nothing in between makes sense.
Either way it's risky. He breaks out this season, he'll be expensive as f*** with the cap at 90M+ next summer. You sign him to a Kempe deal, and you risk it being a deadweight contract if he fails to perform or is injury plagued.
If it were up to me, I would got with the long term deal. But the Kings don't have the cap space.
Either way it's risky. He breaks out this season, he'll be expensive as f*** with the cap at 90M+ next summer. You sign him to a Kempe deal, and you risk it being a deadweight contract if he fails to perform or is injury plagued.
If it were up to me, I would got with the long term deal. But the Kings don't have the cap space.
Ziggy Stardust
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He definitely plays with a bit of an edge, and there's tons of videos of him doing so.
This is something the Kings could certainly use in their top six.
PLD def plays a a physical/grit /garbage-goal style game. It also may be leading to inconsistencies (perhaps wear and tear causes his game to fall off in the last stretch of the year) and some time some real inopportune penalties (he also draws quite a bit too).
At the same tine he has very good hands, good passing and very good skating abilities.
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Maybe - but he hasn’t shown this yet. Vilardi is a game changer right now and looks to be getting even better. Until Kaliyev proves otherwise, he is just a specialist right now.
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Trevor Moore should have never been signed.
Blake has been bad with contracts to date.
-Only two years of Gavrikov at a high cap. I know fans love him but for almost 6 million? Jesus.
-Moore’s contract.
-Peterson’s contract.
-Only two years of Gavrikov at a high cap. I know fans love him but for almost 6 million? Jesus.
-Moore’s contract.
-Peterson’s contract.
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Honestly.. bring him back.
Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Roy
Forbort-Clarke/Durzi
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Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Roy
Forbort-Clarke/Durzi
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I’ve been mulling him over as well. One year left and he’s quite good on the PK.Honestly.. bring him back.
Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Roy
Forbort-Clarke/Durzi
Forbort, Frederic, Ullmark/Swayman… lots of potential pieces in a deal with Boston.
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Ah yeah that would be wonderful, guy boarding someone every shift. Seriously look at those clips, it's all selfish penalties and hits from behind.
The first time he hits someone face to face will be the first time and that's the 10% of the time he's bringing ANY effort
That's not a guy that plays with an edge any notable amount of time, it's a selfish lazy predatory hitter.
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Honestly.. bring him back.
Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Roy
Forbort-Clarke/Durzi
There's a decent chance Forbort gets bought out. He wasn't very good for them.
Reilly probably gets bought out for sure.
I think Ullmark gets moved. He has a 16 team no trade list BTW.
How does nothing in between make sense??
Wouldn't a 2-3 year bridge deal make the most sense especially given some of the points you make here?
You sign him to a 3 year, $4-$5 million deal and at least lock him up for the next 3 years. That way, if he continues to get better, you have him signed to a reasonable cap hit and can re-evaluate a longer term deal at the end of the 3 years since he'll still be an RFA.
To me, that's really the only option. Sure, you could sign him long term but then how much money is that contract?? And what happens if he stagnates or runs into injury issues? And a 1 year deal doesn't really make sense at all IMO because as you said, if he breaks out you just have to worry about signing him next offseason.
johnjm22
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He's about to be 24.
If you sign him to a 1 year deal, he's still an RFA next offseason.
I was thinking if you sign him to a 2 year deal, he would be a UFA when it's over, but you might be right, he might still be an RFA. A 3 year deal, I'm pretty sure he would be a UFA after it.
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Or maybe he’s in panic mode because he knows Kopitar has one year left and we know he’s bent over backwards trying to get him and Doughty another cup. It says nothing about Byfield and everything about Blake’s rush to end the rebuild prematurely.
johnjm22
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Even if Byfield pans out, the Kings still need another young center in the organization.
The opportunity to land a good 25 year old center is pretty rare, so I can certainly understand the King's interest.
PLD's game has been up and down going all the way back to Junior. He was disappointing in his final year with Cape Breton and was traded.
It's not uncommon for highly regarded prospects to get traded in their final Junior year, but people said PLD wanted out. If true, that would mean this is his 3rd straight time he's wanted to be traded.
The opportunity to land a good 25 year old center is pretty rare, so I can certainly understand the King's interest.
PLD's game has been up and down going all the way back to Junior. He was disappointing in his final year with Cape Breton and was traded.
It's not uncommon for highly regarded prospects to get traded in their final Junior year, but people said PLD wanted out. If true, that would mean this is his 3rd straight time he's wanted to be traded.
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