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King'sPawn

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How much you wanna bet Luc knows the Turcotte family?
Well, yeah. Alex's uncle has been coaching youth hockey in LA since 2008 or 2009.

I am getting mixed feelings with Turcotte - all reads have shown he's a character guy but have also heard some meh feedback on some conversations. Don't have any personal experience dealing with him though.

I'm really dismayed if Blake did ignore Yannetti. I wasn't (and still not) a fan of Zegras, but if you're ignoring people digging in the trenches, why bother having them? What other picks could he have overruled?
 
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Had a longass day and just caught up on the last 7 pages. Mostly depressing.
This thread does not exist, without Copley. Would not have made the playoffs.
Or I guess it would be an off season thread started 10 days earlier.
And possibly be no thread, if the Kings had 100% healthy Fiala, Vilardi and Anderson,
coupled with holding the Oilers to their season avg PP and they only had 5 PP goals out
of 15 PPs and not this putrid 9 out of 15 PP goals. And be a discuss round 2 thread.

Anything can happen in the playoffs. Who has an intact playoff bracket? Bruins out.
Avalanche out. Rangers out. Nucking Futts.

The cap, Cals contract and no #1 pick may make for a long Summer.
Maybe we will see a 'hockey trade' player(s) for player(s)
Maybe there is some Russian or Euro free agent somewhere?
But it's size and toughness needed. Never thought much of Bjugstad or Kostin,
but shows how valuable size can be.
 

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Well, yeah. Alex's uncle has been coaching youth hockey in LA since 2008 or 2009.

I am getting mixed feelings with Turcotte - all reads have shown he's a character guy but have also heard some meh feedback on some conversations. Don't have any personal experience dealing with him though.

I'm really dismayed if Blake did ignore Yannetti. I wasn't (and still not) a fan of Zegras, but if you're ignoring people digging in the trenches, why bother having them? What other picks could he have overruled?

Yannetti said in an interview, that "he was never so torn as 2 players being equal in the 2020 draft and when he presented in to Blake, Blake then dictated as to what he wanted for the team" and then Yannetti added "then we knew who that player was for the team" Byfield over Stutzle. I am sure you can find this interview somewhere.

I am looking for it..but this Frozen Royalty, you can read Yannetti;s takes on Byfield and Stutzle.
But I know there is an interview in which he said he presented it to Blake and Blake made the call, as to who the player he wanted. Now, if Yannetti presented that Stutzle was THEE GUY, who knows what would have happened?

 
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Rosen just casually dropping an absolute bomb in his latest article, saying he's confirmed with several sources that Turcotte was Blake's pick, overriding Yanetti whose choice was Zegras, and also kind of casually motherf***ing his character (with evidence, not Rosen just going off), painting him as a little bit of prick or primadonna

Once in a great while his tone is like he's pissed or fed up, this is one of those articles, and it's free. Scathing but really fair write.



What a beautifully scathing read of ineptitude shown from a front office. Appreciated reading this instead of a “Kings look to improve next year” piece of journalism.

Talk about throwing Turcotte under a bus over and over. First how Blake decided on the pick. Then talking about issues with the pick (health you can’t argue, character issues passively as Jessie brought out) then how he’s been shopped to other GMs.

Pathetic. We are praying someone can come up and take the 1C by the horns and play, but actively block our prospects development at the same time.
 
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I couldn't care less about supposed character issues, I think Zegras (who they would have taken if not for Blake) has them as well, and not everyone in the NHL is liked by all their teammates or coaches and yeah alot of these guys are pricks. But it mostly comes down to hockey ability. Mike Richards came to the Kings with character issues, those character issues only began to matter when he couldn't play hockey at a high level anymore. Not everyone is going to be Kopitar and Brown, we were very fortunate to have guys like this with the Kings, guys who were both excellent players and excellent all around humans as well.

The problem with the pick was that from the moment he stepped up to levels above the USHL, Turcotte was never anywhere close to the type of player you would expect from a Top 5 pick. Just look at the top picks from the same conference over the last say decade. Turcotte was just nowhere near the caliber of prospect of Cooley, Beniers, Caufield, Fantilli, Power, L Hughes, Q Hughes, K Johnson. These are the types of players you should be expecting to get with a pick like that.

Obviously people will blame Blake knowing it was him overriding the scouts, and there is some validity to that. I assume the Kings scouts were regulars in Plymouth considering they had two 1st round picks that year and it was the best NTDP class ever. Maybe the scouts had concerns with the offensive upside of Turcotte much more than they did with Zegras, and this is probably being leaked to Rosen so some of these guys are looking to distance themselves from this massive blunder. The rumors were also that Blake was the deciding factor on the blunder the next draft as well, and knowing that picks outside round 1 are more on the scouting staff and round 1 is more on the GM, these guys probably want to make sure they get credit for Anderson, Faber, Kaliyev, Spence, Laferierre while distancing themselves from the Turcotte one and (to some extent) Byfield. Although it seems like Byfield was more of a tiebreaker vote by Blake than an override one like Turcotte is looking like.

The Tony Granato thing is hilarious and sad at the same time, hilarious that even guys from the Chevy Logo era team who aren't actively employed apparently have a say in what the team does. And sad that Granato coached Caufield, Miller and Frederic at UW, all three players would be huge young pieces to the Kings right now. The Kings passed on Caufield and Miller in the draft, and while Frederic was originally drafted by Boston while DL was GM of the Kings, he probably could have been had in a trade for what the Kings gave up for Lias. Granato couldn't have convinced them to take Miller over Kupari the year before? Thanks, Tony!!
 
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Rosen just casually dropping an absolute bomb in his latest article, saying he's confirmed with several sources that Turcotte was Blake's pick, overriding Yanetti whose choice was Zegras, and also kind of casually motherf***ing his character (with evidence, not Rosen just going off), painting him as a little bit of prick or primadonna

Once in a great while his tone is like he's pissed or fed up, this is one of those articles, and it's free. Scathing but really fair write.


Rosen from the top rope. Awesome.

Loved the corporate coup bit. Little validation for what has been said on here for years.

Tough read if you're a Bowlby Boy. Tough for all of us though since this is the management team we have.
 

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Marcus Foligno is a name I would look at.

The top 9 forwards are set unless the Kings deal Arvidsson pending his UFA year.

Kempe-Kopitar-Arvidsson
Moore-Danault-Iaffalo
Fiala-Byfield-Vilardi

The 4th line is the issue.

Grundstrom, Kupari, JAD, MacEwen, Kayilev, and Lizotte.

Also, now Thomas and Fagemo are waiver eligible.

The most likely to be moved are the biggest contracts - Lizotte and Grundstrom.

Kayilev is blocked now, so he is likely trade bait also.

I would love a 4th line of Foligno-Kupari-Fagemo.
Foligno is the guy I was thinking about too. Big body and can play on the fourth line. He'd be a nice addition.
 
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Was Beniers even available in Turcotte's draft? Thought he was still playing college and wasn't available till 2021.

No. But was just referencing him as to what you would be expecting to get out of a Top 5 pick from the same conference. Rosen said it in his article, the Kings were the 2nd worst team in the NHL in 2019, and the reward ends up being, Alex Turcotte. That is just a kick in the balls.

And as for the other posts on Foligno. The Kings lost to the Oilers mainly because they couldn't stay out of the penalty box. The Dallas Stars scored 3 PP goals vs Minnesota while Marcus Foligno was sitting in the penalty box. Yeah, no thanks. Not with the Oilers in our division and divisional playoffs in place.

The Kings simply can't afford to have a "tough" lineup vs the Oilers, I know that bothers many here, and maybe vs other teams it would be better, but we just can't afford to have boneheads on the ice vs Edmonton when their PP is better than a coin-flip vs us.
 
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No. But was just referencing him as to what you would be expecting to get out of a Top 5 pick from the same conference. Rosen said it in his article, the Kings were the 2nd worst team in the NHL in 2019, and the reward ends up being, Alex Turcotte. That is just a kick in the balls.

And as for the other posts on Foligno. The Kings lost to the Oilers mainly because they couldn't stay out of the penalty box. The Dallas Stars scored 3 PP goals vs Minnesota while Marcus Foligno was sitting in the penalty box. Yeah, no thanks. Not with the Oilers in our division and divisional playoffs in place.

The Kings simply can't afford to have a "tough" lineup vs the Oilers, I know that bothers many here, and maybe vs other teams it would be better, but we just can't afford to have boneheads on the ice vs Edmonton when their PP is better than a coin-flip vs us.

That's was what we ended up with after Willy D coached the rest of the season, right?
 

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Well, yeah. Alex's uncle has been coaching youth hockey in LA since 2008 or 2009.

I am getting mixed feelings with Turcotte - all reads have shown he's a character guy but have also heard some meh feedback on some conversations. Don't have any personal experience dealing with him though.

I'm really dismayed if Blake did ignore Yannetti. I wasn't (and still not) a fan of Zegras, but if you're ignoring people digging in the trenches, why bother having them? What other picks could he have overruled?

There were plenty of reports saying how DL overuled his scouts during drafts, especially the Teubert pick. Same with the Chris Gibson pick and others in the 2nd round.

Second hand stuff about Turcotte is just that, so it could just be a bitter player/coaches he rubbed wrong. Not everyone gets along, especially one taken 5th overall on a team full of seniors who will never get a shot. I've seen this first hand, guys are dicks to the hot new kid. Zegras [never liked him either] on the other hand screams prima dona, me first type player, which he is. Don't care how much he scores or makes ESPN almost trick goals, there's no place on a team for guys like that. Even his own guys are sick of his shit between whistles, and his lack of effort to minimally defend. He'd never get away with that crap if Getzlaf was there nor here. At some point in his career, he will be traded, probably when the Ducks don't pay him 15 mil a year and make him captain.
 
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Boys like I said this team is not yet a contender and folks need to relax. If Blake can't get to the 3rd round next season he needs to go with Todd which I feel is a good coach for the regular season but not to win Stanley Cups. With the cap crush I don't see Blake bringing in any FA or trades to better the team and we'll rely on the kids solely which will get the team nowhere close to the Stanley Cup for at lease two years. So enjoy the kids developing and keep your heads up.
 

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Whats stutzle have to do with it? You said if anyone was on the top line besides byfield the series would have been different. I pointed out byfield had more points than anyone (tied with hughes) within his draft year and other drafts around that year in the playoffs. Arvidsson was on the top line in game 6 and they didnt do much.
You were laying blame of the series loss on a kid (who did struggle) and it its not even close to the main issue.
I never said just anyone else was on the top line the series would be different. I think you're trolling what I said. Byfield did little to help the team on the top line imo. He did not help the team in the scoring department. Is Byfield a bust, no but he isnt a top line center either right now. Do i think Byfield plays at the draft position he was selected? no. Byfield doesn't belong on the top line as of now, he just isn't consistent enough. Arvi is a way better player than Byfield could wish to be. I still believe Byfield is a 3rd line center maybe 2nd line imo. Never was high on Byfield and would've taken Stutzle as I said at the draft but gave Byfield the benefit of the doubt cause he was a Kings draftee. I hope Byfield proves me wrong, but I don't see the consistency from him to be a top line center today.
 
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I have been thinking that the Kings make a move for Tom Wilson also. He would probably look good playing with Kopitar and Kempe too. Fiala didnt mesh with Kopitar.
Cap is going to be the issue on signing FA to build this team into a true contender. I see Blake being forced to fill needs from Ontario to be honest.
 
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Stutzle would not have made a difference vs. Edmonton, the Kings inability to kill penalties would have still been there with TS. Edmonton is just a terrible matchup for the Kings.

The difference is the Kings would have been playing either Winnipeg or Seattle had they had TS on the roster this season.
I disagree on Stutzle, he would be able to chip in goals to balance out the bad PK. Blake is to proud to admit he is screwed on the cap and Byfield isn't working out the way they hoped just like Todd. Blake is to blind to see the team needs size to compete in the playoffs.

Byfield is quite literally the least productive top two pick in a decade.

Do you not understand that?

Like, sure, he can suddenly flip a switch and become Tage Thompson. And then maybe the Ducks/Hawks will trade us Bedard for Cal Peterson. Anything can happen, right?
But but he is only 20 🤣
 

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Someone should ask point blank whether the purpose of the rebuild was to establish a new generation of Kings and future faces of the franchise or accumulate assets that can be parlayed into a new supporting cast for Kopitar and Doughty's last kick at the can. The sad thing is I think maybe the people at the top themselves don't know.
 

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There were plenty of reports saying how DL overuled his scouts during drafts, especially the Teubert pick. Same with the Chris Gibson pick and others in the 2nd round.

Second hand stuff about Turcotte is just that, so it could just be a bitter player/coaches he rubbed wrong.
Many differences between DL and Blake though:
- DL was an actual scout prior to becoming GM, so him weighing in is more forgivable
- His prospects were getting handled more traditionally, and better

Re: Turcotte, as mentioned, I've also received tepid feedback. It's not just bitter people running their mouths. I did brush it off as Turcotte having a bad day. I'm still not sold on it, but am a bit alarmed at some of the details Rosen provided to give it more credence.
 

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Byfield is quite literally the least productive top two pick in a decade.

Do you not understand that?

Like, sure, he can suddenly flip a switch and become Tage Thompson. And then maybe the Ducks/Hawks will trade us Bedard for Cal Peterson. Anything can happen, right?
Yes, both of these things can and WILL happen. I'm excited.

Lol, in all seriousness tho yeah I do understand he hasn't been very productive and also understand that maybe I'm being too optimistic.. But I'm not ready to write him off.

I think as a 20 year old who dealt with a broken ankle last year and a month long illness that caused him to lose 25 lbs just 2 weeks into the season this year... He still absolutely has shown us flashes and I believe we still have to be a little patient with him.

Believe the wait is going to be worth it and the points will come. If by the end of next season he hasn't progressed significantly (~50+ points assuming he plays most/all of the full 82 games) then yeah, I'll be more critical and panicked as most people on these boards seem to be.

But I'm not there yet. Plain and simple.

I'm not saying "he's FOR SURE going to be an elite 1C still" - I'm just saying he absolutely has a chance and that isn't anywhere near as crazy as people are making it seem. Some players take longer to develop and we basically knew since DAY 1 that Byfield was always going to take a couple years to find his game.

IMO - He'll get there and it'll be worth the wait. And sure, maybe I'm wrong, but again, hopefully not.
 
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Rosen from the top rope. Awesome.

Loved the corporate coup bit. Little validation for what has been said on here for years.

Tough read if you're a Bowlby Boy. Tough for all of us though since this is the management team we have.
Oh YEAH!

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Honestly I read the Turcotte character stuff more as he rubs people the wrong way rather than he's wholly unlikeable

I can imagine college seniors sick of the hotshot rookie who is turning pro anyway

But i remember PLENTY of material when he was drafted about breaking guys sticks at practices and just generally being very intense

Frankly I'd prefer an asshole at this point anyway

I was just more shocked about the overriding scouts stuff, lends to the 4d chess big brain theory and I don't like it given returns over the last 6 years.
 

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I never said just anyone else was on the top line the series would be different. I think you're trolling what I said. Byfield did little to help the team on the top line imo. He did not help the team in the scoring department. Is Byfield a bust, no but he isnt a top line center either right now. Do i think Byfield plays at the draft position he was selected? no. Byfield doesn't belong on the top line as of now, he just isn't consistent enough. Arvi is a way better player than Byfield could wish to be. I still believe Byfield is a 3rd line center maybe 2nd line imo. Never was high on Byfield and would've taken Stutzle as I said at the draft but gave Byfield the benefit of the doubt cause he was a Kings draftee. I hope Byfield proves me wrong, but I don't see the consistency from him to be a top line center today.
Im not trolling I must have misunderstood you.
 
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Honestly I read the Turcotte character stuff more as he rubs people the wrong way rather than he's wholly unlikeable

I can imagine college seniors sick of the hotshot rookie who is turning pro anyway


But i remember PLENTY of material when he was drafted about breaking guys sticks at practices and just generally being very intense

Frankly I'd prefer an asshole at this point anyway

I was just more shocked about the overriding scouts stuff, lends to the 4d chess big brain theory and I don't like it given returns over the last 6 years.
Same. Stinks of Turcotte not giving "proper deference" to his elders and, well, **** that. Just like young players should have to earn their spots, vets need to show they deserve that respect.

The article said folks didn't warm to him right away...it didn't say he wasn't liked or that people thought he was uncoachable or something. Much ado about nothing as far as I can see.

It's the overruling scouts as you mentioned that's the bigger issue. Especially when it's at the urging of a former teammate who has nothing to do with the team.
 
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