Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season
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Steve Zissou
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
Sure, if Kaliyev gets significant PP time it lessens the blow of playing him with less talented players at ES. But what makes anyone think he will get that PP time? Kaliyev was significantly better on the PP last year than Danault and Iafallo, but who saw more PP time?
@SettlementRichie10 , despite enormous issues on the wing for over a decade the team has focused heavily on drafting centers. They passed on talented wingers, specifically Caufield and Kaliyev in the 1st round of 2019 to draft another center and d-man with much lower ceilings. Sure they gambled that Kaliyev would be there in the 2nd. But why not just address that need in that spot and risk him not falling 10 more picks to add another d-man?
Kaliyev at age 21 should be entering a stage where he is playing with players who can get him the puck at ES and being deployed on the PP where again he is given a chance to use his lethal shot, which is probably in the 90th percentile for any player in the league. I just question his effectiveness and ability to impact the game playing with 2 grinders.
Hey look I get it, every team has types of players they value and undervalue. I just think the deployment of Kaliyev is another example that with the Kings that natural finishers with elite shots who aren’t that well rounded are not valued at all.
@SettlementRichie10 , despite enormous issues on the wing for over a decade the team has focused heavily on drafting centers. They passed on talented wingers, specifically Caufield and Kaliyev in the 1st round of 2019 to draft another center and d-man with much lower ceilings. Sure they gambled that Kaliyev would be there in the 2nd. But why not just address that need in that spot and risk him not falling 10 more picks to add another d-man?
Kaliyev at age 21 should be entering a stage where he is playing with players who can get him the puck at ES and being deployed on the PP where again he is given a chance to use his lethal shot, which is probably in the 90th percentile for any player in the league. I just question his effectiveness and ability to impact the game playing with 2 grinders.
Hey look I get it, every team has types of players they value and undervalue. I just think the deployment of Kaliyev is another example that with the Kings that natural finishers with elite shots who aren’t that well rounded are not valued at all.
ibleedkings
Rob Fake
You know Lolfallo will be on the first unit just like he was last game. It’s mind boggling to be honest.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
By the time he's 23/24. AK will be in the top six. Playing 3rd or 4th line winger is just a a temp thing. It's not permanant . The team knows what they have, there's just no place to put him there, yet.
Unfortunately, you're getting as predictable in your comments as Johnny Utah.
Steve Zissou
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
Why? Because I want the Kings best natural finisher to play a more increased role this season as a third year pro for a team that needs to increase its offensive output to get back to the playoffs?
It’s funny when people like myself and KP called for an increased role for Kaliyev last year we were told by people like yourself that it would be coming this season once Brown and AA left.
Reaper45
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Herb, they (The Kings) can't win. 90% of your posts, and there's been A lot of them, are negative. Game 1 hasn't happened and you're bitching about a guess how they'll line up. You're an Old Timer like myself. You should know better than to get too emotional one way or the other. See how the 1st couple weeks go before casting too much judgement.
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to all the people piling on herby, what IS enough to put kaliyev in the top 6? what does he need to do that he hasn't done already?
is there nothing he can do? he just has to wait until there's a hole vacated by a vet?
ball's in your court
is there nothing he can do? he just has to wait until there's a hole vacated by a vet?
ball's in your court
Axl Rhoadz
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?? This is good news about Turcotte, we want him skating... we already knew he had a 'setback'...no?
How about the ball is in YOUR court. If you are putting Kaliyev in top 6, who are you playing him over?
BringTheReign
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I think the other piece is that Vilardi can help Byfield with faceoffs as a former center. Kaliyev gelled nicely with LL Squared last year and will hopefully get more PP time as well.
I think Moore and Arvidsson are the ones under the most pressure (aside from Iafallo). For cap and age curve reasons it will benefit the team for those spots to be taken by players like Vilardi, Kaliyev, Kupari, Fagemo, etc. If they don't reignite their magic chemistry with Danault it'll be interesting to see what happens.
I think Moore and Arvidsson are the ones under the most pressure (aside from Iafallo). For cap and age curve reasons it will benefit the team for those spots to be taken by players like Vilardi, Kaliyev, Kupari, Fagemo, etc. If they don't reignite their magic chemistry with Danault it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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It's the opening night lineup. Last year's had Tkachev and Lias Andersson on it. Lines change, rosters change. Kaliyev will get his chance eventually.
The writing was on the wall when they got Fiala. Also before preseason the thought was Fagemo and Vilardi had a path to the top six in Arvidssons place and Kaliyev didnt get a look. At least the Kings bottom six this year has some serious potential.
Like others have said there is a weird accountability standard. Vilardi has a short leash, Kaliyev and Kupari it doesnt really matter how good they play they will not be rewarded unless theres an injury, Walker and Iafallo dont have to outplay anyone but will be given every opportunity to get going. Clarke sitting for Walker is pretty whacky.
AbsentMojo
F-ing get up and hunt! Cmon Todd!
I wonder what the setback was in the summer - was it a hockey related setback, or did he fall on his head mountain biking? Whatever it is, just take time, its not like we a have a slot for him on the big club.
TruKingFan
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Axl Rhoadz
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Don't worry, I already know the answer -- we'll put old man Kopitar, team leader in points, down to 3rd line -- maybe even the 4th!
Some of you are worried about what the lines are opening night. Does it really matter?
I'm way more concerned what the lines look like come January thru April and into the post season.
I'm way more concerned what the lines look like come January thru April and into the post season.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
I know you have a real thing for Caufield, but there's no way the Kings were taking Caufield at 5. Nobody in the top 10 was, especially when there were better players, too risky. He fell for a reason, same as AK. Turrcotte,Zegras and Kozan were all better, among others.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I have been positive on Clarke, I saw him play on tv last year in the OHL and think he is a star. The best Kings pick since Doughty.
I was positive on Faber, again saw him play multiple times and think he is going to be an elite NHL defensive d-man.
Kaliyev I think will score 40 in the league. One of the best shooters of the puck in the league.
Byfield I believe in the skill, even bet $50 that he scores at a 2nd line caliber level this year. I just hated the age 18 AHL year and the deployment at the NHL level.
Turcotte, again just giving an honest (and well aged) evaluation that instead of being Jonathan Toews or Mike Richards he was more likely to be Andrew Copp or Andrew Cogliano. But Ofcourse that gets labeled as being negative or calling the player a bust. Never said the player was awful or wouldn’t be useful, just that the pick was never going to return the type of player you expect to get with a #5 OA.
Vilardi, ok I wrote him off after last season. Yup, called him a bust (and didn’t need people like Axl to make it up) If he has a good year and proves me wrong I will happily admit I was wrong (unlike some posters the previous player discussed).
My negativity mostly just stems from the bizarre development and deployment decisions the Kings continue to make with young players. No team in the league pulls a 19 year old like Turcotte from college after the year he had as a freshman to spend the year in the AHL, no team in the league has Byfield in the AHL at 18, no team in the league has a 1st rounder in the NHL for 2 seasons and then sends him to the minors, no team in the NHL gets 13 goals from a 20 year old in a 4th line role and then puts him back in the 4th line to start the next season at 21. This is stuff that is just not happening elsewhere around the league but you are negative if you call it out here or question why the Kings do things so much differently.
And mentioning this stuff is met with “who cares about what other teams would do” and using statistical evidence is met with “who cares about fancy stats” . They don’t want to debate or interact or give you any counter evidence they just want to make one line posts telling me I’m stupid.
I was positive on Faber, again saw him play multiple times and think he is going to be an elite NHL defensive d-man.
Kaliyev I think will score 40 in the league. One of the best shooters of the puck in the league.
Byfield I believe in the skill, even bet $50 that he scores at a 2nd line caliber level this year. I just hated the age 18 AHL year and the deployment at the NHL level.
Turcotte, again just giving an honest (and well aged) evaluation that instead of being Jonathan Toews or Mike Richards he was more likely to be Andrew Copp or Andrew Cogliano. But Ofcourse that gets labeled as being negative or calling the player a bust. Never said the player was awful or wouldn’t be useful, just that the pick was never going to return the type of player you expect to get with a #5 OA.
Vilardi, ok I wrote him off after last season. Yup, called him a bust (and didn’t need people like Axl to make it up) If he has a good year and proves me wrong I will happily admit I was wrong (unlike some posters the previous player discussed).
My negativity mostly just stems from the bizarre development and deployment decisions the Kings continue to make with young players. No team in the league pulls a 19 year old like Turcotte from college after the year he had as a freshman to spend the year in the AHL, no team in the league has Byfield in the AHL at 18, no team in the league has a 1st rounder in the NHL for 2 seasons and then sends him to the minors, no team in the NHL gets 13 goals from a 20 year old in a 4th line role and then puts him back in the 4th line to start the next season at 21. This is stuff that is just not happening elsewhere around the league but you are negative if you call it out here or question why the Kings do things so much differently.
And mentioning this stuff is met with “who cares about what other teams would do” and using statistical evidence is met with “who cares about fancy stats” . They don’t want to debate or interact or give you any counter evidence they just want to make one line posts telling me I’m stupid.
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kingsfan28
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
Yes, I have a thing for a player with a lethal arsenal of shots that is going to score a boatload of goals in the NHL, especially for a team that has a poor history of developing goal-scorers.
What would have been so wrong with addressing an organizational achilles with the two first round picks in 2019? Take Caufield at 5 and Kaliyev at 22. You have a right shot and a left shot forward with world class shooting ability that you really don’t have to develop that much, the shot translates from lower levels to the NHL better than strengths of Turcotte and Bjornfot do.
As far as better players, 4 months after the draft and with the jump in competition it was clear as day who the better player was.
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