Rumor: LA Kings and Detroit Red Wings are interested in Elias Pettersson (EP40)

[UrbanImpact]

vancouver can have a second from either team for the pleasure. That contract is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league. You’re not getting MBN for him, I can tell you that much.

Maybe the old cap, but not when the new cap is significantly rising. Youre going to get guys like Hischier making close to 13 mil.

There's also alot of Pettersson believers, and rightfully so, that he will get back to his old 80+ point self once he leaves Vancouver. Prime candidate for a change of scenery. He just seems so beat up from going through the toxic stuff that Miller and Hughes put the team through.

Centres and Right Shot Dman are the most often prime candidates in the nhl to hold value.

 

[BaileyFan]

Kings will reportedly have an internal salary cap next year (as contenders…lol). We all expect Nurse will be a King soon so they can’t do this trade without moving salary back to Vancouver. Problem is the 3 obvious cap dump candidates (Ceci, Dumoulin, Edmundson) hilariously all have trade protection and aren’t going to waive to go there.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think LA trades for Gavrikov and they don't have the money to also trade for Pettersson.

Pettersson to Detroit after a Larkin trade makes sense but I have a feeling he wouldn't allow a trade there. Detroit just seems like it's in a mess of a situation and I'm not sure any player with a full NTC would particularly want to waive their NTC to go there.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I hate EP as much as anyone, that offer is a f***ing joke. Two cap dumps and two nothing draft picks.

EP is on 11.6 for 6 more seasons and has gotten 30 goals and 96 pts over the last 2 seasons. You would expect that per season not spread over 2

 

[kilowatt]

If Vancouver takes back Ceci and Dumoulin as part of this I’d do it.

Panarin - Pettersson - Kempe
Fiala - Byfield - Laferriere
Moore - Laughton - Armia

Anderson - Clarke
Edmundson - Doughty

That’s about the best the Kings can look next year all things considered

 

[Waldorf]

Maybe the old cap, but not when the new cap is significantly rising. Youre going to get guys like Hischier making close to 13 mil.

There's also alot of Pettersson believers, and rightfully so, that he will get back to his old 80+ point self once he leaves Vancouver. Prime candidate for a change of scenery. He just seems so beat up from going through the toxic stuff that Miller and Hughes put the team through.

Centres and Right Shot Dman are the most often prime candidates in the nhl to hold value.

So? You’ve had multiple coaches and a completely different management group come in and find this guy to be questionable. And that’s just what gets out in the press. I’m not a believer at all. He’s a damaged asset at this point between whatever injury he’s got and whatever is up with his head. I feel for the guy to some degree but let’s be realistic.

11 million is still a huge swing for a guy who clearly isn’t the player he was. The contract isn’t immovable but you need to understand: you are making this guy another team’s problem. Any deal is going to be constructed like that.

 

[ellusive]

No way Canucks are going to let go of Pettersson for that.

Theyll just hang on to him, and wait till he has 2 years left, retain on the 11.6 which will bring him down to 5.8 and easily get 1st round + at that point. No rush to trade him for pennies especially since they are rebuilding and nowhere near the cap ceiling.

Doubt canucks wanna pay another 4 years.. and what if he gets worse... Poor asset management

 

[Captain Mountain]

- EP40 generating alot of buzz around the league
- Canucks are not willing to retain
- Kings and Red Wings have shown strong interest recently and previously


Red Wings would be an interesting trade partner. They can replace Larkin with EP40. They also have assets that the Canucks would be interested.

LA Kings are not flushed with prospects but they do have high draft picks. Canucks also just hired Richard Seeley who was running the King's farm team in the AHL so Seeley will have alot of knowledge in regards to prospects.

Proposal:

To Det
Ep40

To Van
Michael Brandsegg Nygardd
conditional 2nd round pick ( Becomes a 1st if Pettersson scores over 60 points and Detroit makes playoffs)
4th round pick


To LA Kings
Ep40

To Van
2027 1st round pick top 12 protected
2028 Conditional 2nd round pick ( Becomes 1st if Petterson scores over 60 points and LA makes the playoffs)
4th round pick

FYI, the author is D'Amico, who does have NHL contacts but also reports incorrect information. Also the Pettersson section doesn't indicate that LA or Detroit have shown interest recently.

“I’ve heard Pettersson is available, but that would likely require a team to take on the entire $11.6 million cap hit. Still, I feel the L.A. Kings, who have a ton of cap space and not too many assets to trade, would be all over this. And if Detroit can only net a futures return for Larkin, they’ve shown strong interest in Pettersson in the past.”

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Can any Kings fans tell me what the team is actually trying to do? They look like they're stuck in purgatory from the outside. Not good enough to contend, not bad enough to completely rebuild and just pushing for some playoff revenue year over year. Maybe the hope was Byfield and Clarke would lift them up a level?

Pettersson would be more of the same and just delay the inevtiable IMO.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Doubt canucks wanna pay another 4 years.. and what if he gets worse... Poor asset management

Doesnt matter if they have to pay him , they dont have any other big contracts so they wont even come close to the cap so the owner is going to be saving money that way.

Maybe it will matter in 4yrs if they have built a decent team and want to compete and Pettersson has regressed into 3C production.

 

[bland]

Can any Kings fans tell me what the team is actually trying to do? They look like they're stuck in purgatory from the outside. Not good enough to contend, not bad enough to completely rebuild and just pushing for some playoff revenue year over year. Maybe the hope was Byfield and Clarke would lift them up a level?

Pettersson would be more of the same and just delay the inevtiable IMO.

You got it.

 

[Osprey]

FWIW, I don’t think the Kings have ample cap space. It’s true Kopi’s 7 Mil came off the books, but now they have Kempe at 11, bread at 11, and Doughty at 11

Taking all of that into account, they still have $18.33M free, so they have enough room to sign or trade for one major piece, but probably just one.

 

[Prettyisland]

I still think ep40 rebounds in a big once this saga is all behind him. But his face value is very low right now I’d think

 

[Cogburn]

Will he get the sun, moon, stars and other galaxies? I mean no, he's about a 50 ish point C with baggage. He could pull it together in short order on a new team, but that's like trading for a 24 year old prospect that's plateaued after a huge draft year.

But ask about who is available. Larkin will need a heck of a reason to pick your team over Vegas, Florida, Tampa and the like. Matthews? You're not getting Matthews. He is picking his destination, and if he gets moved, I mentioned likely teams for Larkin, and throw in SoCal or maybe Minny as his choice. Wright? Guys a huge gamble as well, and is RFA after this year, meaning he will be getting an increase to his ELC after this season. Guy also had 27 points, so cap savings for far lower performance. The center market is crazy, and with the cap continuing to rise, that contract isn't likely even a factor for some GMs. Every team seems to want a top six C. But who else have I willingly forgotten, as far as available top six centers?

As for retaining cap, yeah, it makes sense to. It won't happen, as Aquilini is straddling the border for being one of us stupid poor peasents, apparently. We're waiting to see if Allvin and Foote are getting hired, to reduced our owed money for firing them, before we sign our UFAs. Seriously.

 

[Spitfire11]

2 quality retirement homes to choose from

 

[Kjoe1988]

Very true, but that doesn't change anything I said. Detroit fans overvalue their prospects way too much, he's nothing special.

If I actually thought MBN is a real threat, I would've encouraged Vancouver to go for him instead to get him out of the division. But I don't.

From Vancouver's pov, I'd rather take the guaranteed LA first that has the potential to net a player with a higher ceiling than him, or at worst, someone similar to him. I'd take that gamble any day if I was in their position.

I despise prospects and refuse to hype them up. Please don’t blanket stereotype Wings fans based on your biases. Most of us in the Wings board have almost zero faith in any of our prospects minus Augustine and MBN. A few of them are high on others - I’m not. Not even close.

With that said MBN is the best asset there. You say he’s nothing special based on what? Less than dozen games roughly? Please.

What’s ironic is that you’re doing the same - over valuing… except with picks.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

FWIW, I don’t think the Kings have ample cap space. It’s true Kopi’s 7 Mil came off the books, but now they have Kempe at 11, bread at 11, and Doughty at 11

and allegedly are working with an internal cap, the biggest possible insult to LA fans at this point.

"yeah we're contenders, no we aren't going to spend money, yeah we're one of the most profitable franchises."

If it's not posturing for a sale, it's just AEG wringing out the money printer until fans stop showing up.

 

[Rorschach]

FWIW, I don’t think the Kings have ample cap space. It’s true Kopi’s 7 Mil came off the books, but now they have Kempe at 11, bread at 11, and Doughty at 11

We have the cap dumps on the blue line easily, especially if we get Gavrikov back.

 

[SENStastic]

I despise prospects and refuse to hype them up. Please don’t blanket stereotype Wings fans based on your biases. Most of us in the Wings board have almost zero faith in any of our prospects minus Augustine and MBN. A few of them are high on others - I’m not. Not even close.

With that said MBN is the best asset there. You say he’s nothing special based on what? Less than dozen games roughly? Please.

What’s ironic is that you’re doing the same - over valuing… except with picks.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'd easily take the pick over MBN, I'd value that much more, he's not that special or the best asset either, Vancouver can easily end up landing a much better prospect or someone similar at worst. I'd take that gamble anytime.

 

[RandV]

So? You’ve had multiple coaches and a completely different management group come in and find this guy to be questionable. And that’s just what gets out in the press. I’m not a believer at all. He’s a damaged asset at this point between whatever injury he’s got and whatever is up with his head. I feel for the guy to some degree but let’s be realistic.

11 million is still a huge swing for a guy who clearly isn’t the player he was. The contract isn’t immovable but you need to understand: you are making this guy another team’s problem. Any deal is going to be constructed like that.

This would normally be the perfectly rational take, but the realities of the market is that teams have both excess cap space and a desperate lack of centers on the market. Makes this one a real wild card and hard to predict what could happen if a trade were to go down.

I'm biased as a Canuck fan of course but should be easy enough for someone to put team bias aside and see how Canucks management would want to try and leverage this as best they can.

 

[Rorschach]

Can any Kings fans tell me what the team is actually trying to do? They look like they're stuck in purgatory from the outside. Not good enough to contend, not bad enough to completely rebuild and just pushing for some playoff revenue year over year. Maybe the hope was Byfield and Clarke would lift them up a level?

Pettersson would be more of the same and just delay the inevtiable IMO.

The Kings owner is in his mid-market default mode. A lot of teams that are not small market nor are they actually planning to run for Cups are in their own default mode.

When Dean Lombardi arrived in LA, the owner thought he would get the same somewhat competitive team builder that made San Jose into a non-contending playoff team. Instead, after a couple years of signing trash to meh free agent players, Dean stood up to the owner and was able to build a team that made several Cup runs in a row and succeeding twice. Yet he was quickly let go after that.

Now, the owner has his yes man in Robitaille and the team is back to running how the owner originally intended, likely make the playoffs but no chance to make it to the Final.

 

[Empoleon8771]

We have the cap dumps on the blue line easily, especially if we get Gavrikov back.

Even if they make those dumps, do they really have the money available to add Pettersson with an internal cap? I figure they'd want to dump 2 of Ceci and Dumoulin and run with:

Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Clarke
Edmundson-XXXXX

And get a cheap puck moving RHD to play with Edmundson. Dumping Ceci and Dumoulin and adding Gavrikov has them at $19.8 million in cap space, but adding Pettersson would take that down to $8.2 million while they still need to re-sign Clarke and add 3 more forwards and 2 more defenseman.

Feels like it wouldn't work if LA has an internal cap.

 

[Ezekial]

I thought going for Pettersson as a reclamation was a strong possibility for Yzerman before the Larkin news. I'd have to see what he gets for Larkin first to really assess if it's still viable

 

[Waldorf]

This would normally be the perfectly rational take, but the realities of the market is that teams have both excess cap space and a desperate lack of centers on the market. Makes this one a real wild card and hard to predict what could happen if a trade were to go down.

I'm biased as a Canuck fan of course but should be easy enough for someone to put team bias aside and see how Canucks management would want to try and leverage this as best they can.

Sure, we always want two bucks for a dollar, but sometimes that doesn't happen. Its not unreasonable to take a gamble on Petterson depending on the package Yzerman can get for Larkin, but the thing is we also have three different centers between Finnie, Danielson and Kasper who we need to see more of. Theres like an 80% chance next season we are crap to try to draft a 1C in 2027. Petterson's biggest value might be hitting the cap floor.

 

[Qwijibo]

There's a huge deman for a 2C. Canucks dont need to drum up a market. They basically just have to piggy back from whoever loses the Larkin sweepstakes.

How many 2C's make $11.6m?