LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

[King'sPawn]

I still don't see how everyone reaches these sweeping conclusions about Fagemo without him ever getting a real look.

The criticisms are fair and real but you don't turf the guy without a chance. Even Tynan got one of those, if AAAA is the comp you use. And especially since everything else in his career has been late bloomer/behind schedule.

Guys need to develop in the NHL, too. They learn to create space, use what little they have. Or don't. butyou don't know until you try them. And 8 minutes a game with scrubs doesn't count.

And look I'm even open to the idea that maybe he doesn't become anything at all, but he's earned a serious look...I guess I'm just shocked people are writing him off after two-three nothing-at-all callups.

In my defense, I felt this way about him 3 years ago too

But I agree. He's earned more of an opportunity. I just have lower expectations.

 

[tny760]

Anze getting sat for something 'nagging' after averaging about 21 min a game this month is some great management

it's pretty wild huh

all that 11/7, big PK minutes and 2 minute PP shifts, and here we are limping into the playoffs with our top 2 centers injured in some form

who could have possibly seen this coming?

 

[Trash Panda]

I still don't see how everyone reaches these sweeping conclusions about Fagemo without him ever getting a real look.

The criticisms are fair and real but you don't turf the guy without a chance. Even Tynan got one of those, if AAAA is the comp you use. And especially since everything else in his career has been late bloomer/behind schedule.

Guys need to develop in the NHL, too. They learn to create space, use what little they have. Or don't. butyou don't know until you try them. And 8 minutes a game with scrubs doesn't count.

And look I'm even open to the idea that maybe he doesn't become anything at all, but he's earned a serious look...I guess I'm just shocked people are writing him off after two-three nothing-at-all callups.

I will fully admit to having never been a huge fan of his, no hiding that. His short stint in Nashville was equally as unimpressive as his short stints here.

Im just maintaining that if he was gonna be given a shot here, the only spot he could reasonably supplant is laferriere, and I’d even argue that his game doesn’t have the polish away from the puck for that role. Guy screams Scott Parse 2.0 to me (minus the first line minutes).

Now, if you wanna have a chat about how backlogging top-9 roster spots with aging players and bloated contracts, giving little to no opportunity for the youth to step in… then we can really jam on the same page.

 

[KINGS17]

I still don't see how everyone reaches these sweeping conclusions about Fagemo without him ever getting a real look.

The criticisms are fair and real but you don't turf the guy without a chance. Even Tynan got one of those, if AAAA is the comp you use. And especially since everything else in his career has been late bloomer/behind schedule.

Guys need to develop in the NHL, too. They learn to create space, use what little they have. Or don't. butyou don't know until you try them. And 8 minutes a game with scrubs doesn't count.

And look I'm even open to the idea that maybe he doesn't become anything at all, but he's earned a serious look...I guess I'm just shocked people are writing him off after two-three nothing-at-all callups.

I remember when Pearson was called up the first time. He was totally lost during his first NHL stint. When he came back the second time he stuck and looked like an NHL player. Sometimes it takes a cup of coffee for a player to learn and start to figure it out.

 

[Statto]

I remember when Pearson was called up the first time. He was totally lost during his first NHL stint. When he came back the second time he stuck and looked like an NHL player. Sometimes it takes a cup of coffee for a player to learn and start to figure it out.

The problem I have is that he doesn’t seem to have added many of the additional elements he needs even at the AHL level. As other have said there is nobody he can push out of the current lineup. Maybe he can compete for the spot Arvi holds if he doesn’t return… but he would have competition for it.

 

[Kudelski37]

The Kings have played several games with at least one player getting a handful of minutes. Wouldn't it have been wise to at least try Fagemo as a pp specialist while Arvidsson was out? If he failed at that, fine. At least we would know.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I think it would be a good for the team to review this vid. How many goals were scored with guys in front or crashing the net? So fun to see vintage Kopi, Richards, Williams and the whole crew contributing

 

[Statto]

The Kings have played several games with at least one player getting a handful of minutes. Wouldn't it have been wise to at least try Fagemo as a pp specialist while Arvidsson was out? If he failed at that, fine. At least we would know.

But maybe they do know, it’s not about proving it to us. They will be looking for very specific things they may not be seeing. They will want to be seeing them in the AHL first and if he’s not doing it then that might be the answer. I don’t know the specific reasons but I don’t see a fit for him.

Maybe another summer and a possible management change will fill some of the issues and/or what is required of him (systems etc).

 

[LAKings88]

Dubois Kopitar Kempe
Moore Danault Fiala
Laferriere Byfield Fagemo
(1) Turcotte Thomas

Anderson Doughty
Gavrikov Clarke
Moverare Spence

??? (A true number one can be a difference maker)
Rittich

Let go:
Arvidsson-(I'd do all I can to bring him back on a show me contract)
Lizotte (not sure what he is looking for in a contract)
Lewis
Grundstrom (I'm over him but maybe a 1 year deal if needed)
Kaliyev (he's done in LA)
Roy

(1) Helenius, Lee, UFA with grit

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

But maybe they do know, it’s not about proving it to us. They will be looking for very specific things they may not be seeing. They will want to be seeing them in the AHL first and if he’s not doing it then that might be the answer. I don’t know the specific reasons but I don’t see a fit for him.

Maybe another summer and a possible management change will fill some of the issues and/or what is required of him (systems etc).

Nope, that can't be it, because fans with 30-40 years of watching hockey.....and playing beer league mens hockey, have noticed that goddamn that boy can shoot the puck....and well hell, we need a shooter....so clearly he's a fit.....and since the coaching staff/management can't see that, they by gone are dumber than dogshit, and all need to be replaced.....

Obviously hyperbole there, but f*** it's astounding when on an entire message board, ONE f***ing person gets it....

 

[apadilla]

I remember when Pearson was called up the first time. He was totally lost during his first NHL stint. When he came back the second time he stuck and looked like an NHL player. Sometimes it takes a cup of coffee for a player to learn and start to figure it out.

Same thing with AMart. I remember him handling the puck like it was a grenade his first time up. He was Jazz hands to stay after going back down and coming back up.

 

[lexlavender]

 

[Little Psycho]

it's pretty wild huh

all that 11/7, big PK minutes and 2 minute PP shifts, and here we are limping into the playoffs with our top 2 centers injured in some form

who could have possibly seen this coming?

Where is the f***ing logic in these decisions? It’s mind blowing

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

if the Kings were a car they would qualify for a Lemon Law buyback!

 

[Lt Dan]

it's pretty wild huh

all that 11/7, big PK minutes and 2 minute PP shifts, and here we are limping into the playoffs with our top 2 centers injured in some form

who could have possibly seen this coming?

This guy

 

[Lt Dan]

if the Kings were a car they would qualify for a Lemon Law buyback!

indeed

As far a I am concerned, this was the PLD trade in vehicle form

 

[Herby]

I also believe that Fagemo is more of a AAAA player, but guys like him have fallen through the cracks before, look at Robert Lang from back in the day. It would nice to at least give him a look.

Why on Earth, with a clear spot for a right shot finisher with 11 and 55 was that role given to Turcotte for (correct me if I'm wrong) but for probably close to 10 games. We have also seen JAD and Lizotte play with scorers this season, and it makes no sense to have left shot guys with no offensive game playing scoring roles in the NHL when you have a right shot guy destroying the AHL.

 

[tbrown33]

I also believe that Fagemo is more of a AAAA player, but guys like him have fallen through the cracks before, look at Robert Lang from back in the day. It would nice to at least give him a look.

Why on Earth, with a clear spot for a right shot finisher with 11 and 55 was that role given to Turcotte for (correct me if I'm wrong) but for probably close to 10 games. We have also seen JAD and Lizotte play with scorers this season, and it makes no sense to have left shot guys with no offensive game playing scoring roles in the NHL when you have a right shot guy destroying the AHL.

I get the feeling that 11 and 8 have fairly outsized sway in the decision making process, and I've gotten the sense over the years that Fagemo is the kind of player Kopitar does not like to play with. On the other hand, this coaching staff and front office have been doing a bunch of nonsensical shit for a while now, so who knows.

 

[Faterson]

The Athletic is running a poll on who has the best local broadcast team, so I voted for the Kings, with the following comment:

Hall of Famer Nick Nickson – enough said! Color guy Jim Fox with decades of experience – enough said, again. Similarly Daryl Evans between the benches or Patrick O'Neal in the studio. "Two-time Stanley Cup champ" (as they always call him) Jarret Stoll is a good intermission analyst. Carrlyn Bathe is (I leave this sentence unfinished to remain politically correct; it can be dangerous to comment on anyone's looks nowadays). Finally, Jesse Cohen provides terrific pre-game and post-game shows on the radio, also downloadable as podcasts.

By the way, it's just been announced that Jack Edwards of the Bruins, aged "only" 67, is retiring at the end of this season. It was definitely time for him. He said he felt he was no longer capable of maitaining his own standards, and it's true.

Makes you appreciate even more that both Bob Miller and Nick Nickson have been able to maintain theirs into a far more advanced age! I for one hope we can keep Nick Nickson for quite a few more seasons to come, not only a couple of them as he indicated. (Sorry, I just couldn't stomach the Goethe guy.)

 

[AbsentMojo]

Didnt see anyone mention they sent down Akil and called up Turcotte yesterday

 

[LAKings88]

On Marek's show, can't remember the guest, but they basically said the Kings play 1-3-1 due to lack of confidence in the goalies and to protect them.

Also keep thinking about what Rosen said recently in a tweet, a league person told him Talbot is the greatest 4-3 goalie in the league. Pretty sure that doesn't gets it done in the playoffs. I think Rittich has looked better more often than not.

I still think RV needs to be resigned. He stirs the drink more often than not but I'd let every other ufa go.

Play Clarke, Turcotte, Thomas, and Fagemo.

Sign Byfield to a bridge.

Try to pry a legit goalie from somewhere.

 

[tigermask48]

On Marek's show, can't remember the guest, but they basically said the Kings play 1-3-1 due to lack of confidence in the goalies and to protect them.

Also keep thinking about what Rosen said recently in a tweet, a league person told him Talbot is the greatest 4-3 goalie in the league. Pretty sure that doesn't gets it done in the playoffs. I think Rittich has looked better more often than not.

This argument falls apart the second you think about how long the Kings have employed the 1-3-1. It isn't some new thing they are doing this year. It's been almost the entire time the Koala was here.

On the other side of the coin, if that bolded is true, what does that say about what the Kings really thought of Quick and Petersen from 2020 onwards? Lol.

 

[YP44]

indeed

As far a I am concerned, this was the PLD trade in vehicle form

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will always remind me of Garth

 

[bland]

This argument falls apart the second you think about how long the Kings have employed the 1-3-1. It isn't some new thing they are doing this year. It's been almost the entire time the Koala was here.

On the other side of the coin, if that bolded is true, what does that say about what the Kings really thought of Quick and Petersen from 2020 onwards? Lol.

They play the 1-3-1 because they don't have the confidence in their offensive players, which makes perfect sense given their desire for two way centers over play makers and stay at home defensemen instead of puck movers.

It might be more successful if they had bigger, more physical wingers and any kind of heart.

 

[Bandit]

So looks like we're getting Dallas unless we win our last game and Vegas loses in regulation? Is that right?