LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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Kings 79 pts with 15 games remaining, Wild 74 pts with 14 games remaining.

Minnesota tomorrow night on a b2b at home.

Minnesota 2nd last game of the season at home.

Blackhawks last place team, last game of the season at home.

What could go wrong?
 
The craziest thing about the Kings current situation is that it primarily stems from 1 (really) bad move - the PLD trade. Yes, there were other questionable decisions.... But man that's the big one that is really handcuffing this team and will likely continue to be a problem for years.

If they don't make that PLD trade we would be in a position where Byfield can be appropriately slotted at center and we would actually have cap space to work with and improve the rest of the roster.

Even if the Kings had still moved on from Vilardi, Durzi, Iafallo, etc - They would've been able to use those players (and/or picks returned from trading those players) to strengthen goaltending, defense, or add some toughness. Hell, even adding an $8.5 million player that actually plays like an $8.5 million player would've been fine.

Ultimately I hope he figures it out / turns it around but at this point it's looking like our best bet would be to trade him to a team desperate for center depth and hopefully get a goalie back or not have to add too many sweeteners in order to do so - But that looks like a pipe dream right now sadly
This take is just wrong.
Slotting Kopi, Daualt, Byfield down the middle wouldn't work. The only reason Kopi isn't getting exploited from lack of movement speed is because he's being carried by Byfield & another fast wing. Love Kopi, but the wheels are falling off.

PLD is a solid acquisition who is capable of putting up points & playing physical. Look at what some other playoff teams are running at 2C. Hell, look at Boston's 1C. Carolina just picked up Kuzentsov fresh out of the player's assistants program. Everyone is getting caught up on his salary. 8 is the new 6. Just wait for Draisaitl's new contract to hit.

Salary cap, King's need to fix the goalie situation. Dropping 7-8 million long term on a player like Saros or Hellebuyck is frightening. Look at the Bob contract. Dropping 20 million on Korpisalo isn't a solution, is it Ottawa. King's just need to be patient & not go all in & end up with a Campbell or Cal contract in goal again. Also space will open up.

The main push for this team is going to be when Byfield is a dominant 1C & Clarke is contributing every night. There's time to fill the goalie position.

Vilardi update: out with enlarged spleen.
 
This take is just wrong.
Slotting Kopi, Daualt, Byfield down the middle wouldn't work. The only reason Kopi isn't getting exploited from lack of movement speed is because he's being carried by Byfield & another fast wing. Love Kopi, but the wheels are falling off.

PLD is a solid acquisition who is capable of putting up points & playing physical. Look at what some other playoff teams are running at 2C. Hell, look at Boston's 1C. Carolina just picked up Kuzentsov fresh out of the player's assistants program. Everyone is getting caught up on his salary. 8 is the new 6. Just wait for Draisaitl's new contract to hit.

Salary cap, King's need to fix the goalie situation. Dropping 7-8 million long term on a player like Saros or Hellebuyck is frightening. Look at the Bob contract. Dropping 20 million on Korpisalo isn't a solution, is it Ottawa. King's just need to be patient & not go all in & end up with a Campbell or Cal contract in goal again. Also space will open up.

The main push for this team is going to be when Byfield is a dominant 1C & Clarke is contributing every night. There's time to fill the goalie position.

Vilardi update: out with enlarged spleen.
Cool, when does he get here? People here laughed at Ryan Johansen getting waived with his huge contract, PLD is RyJo 2.0, except actually RyJo had a better season by this point in PLD's career.
 
Maybe not making the playoffs is best in the long term BUT I can’t do anything but hope we win each game. Whatever happens it is going to be an off season that tells us a lot about the direction of the franchise.

It definitely feels like only a very good play-off saves Blake but you have to feel Luc will be under threat also if we don’t make the post season. If that’s not the case it would tell us where AEG are at with things.

Nothing changes, you are an off season off!

Blake is under contract and AEG does not like to make moves that cost them more money.

Beckerman on down will have been heavily scrutinized for changes in personnel and direction by the end of next season.
The craziest thing about the Kings current situation is that it primarily stems from 1 (really) bad move - the PLD trade. Yes, there were other questionable decisions.... But man that's the big one that is really handcuffing this team and will likely continue to be a problem for years.

If they don't make that PLD trade we would be in a position where Byfield can be appropriately slotted at center and we would actually have cap space to work with and improve the rest of the roster.

Even if the Kings had still moved on from Vilardi, Durzi, Iafallo, etc - They would've been able to use those players (and/or picks returned from trading those players) to strengthen goaltending, defense, or add some toughness. Hell, even adding an $8.5 million player that actually plays like an $8.5 million player would've been fine.

Ultimately I hope he figures it out / turns it around but at this point it's looking like our best bet would be to trade him to a team desperate for center depth and hopefully get a goalie back or not have to add too many sweeteners in order to do so - But that looks like a pipe dream right now sadly

I like the PLD trade, dumping a player that is often injured and the other pieces to make room for younger players to have a slot to grow in.

The only problem is PLD's new contract handcuffs the Keongs too close to the cap. However PLD is going nowhere for 7 seasons most likely and definitely while Blake is in charge.

We need the cap to go up by as much as possible to give this team that space to make in season acquisitions and shore up areas of need before the trade deadline.

Having this team with some space to maneuver the roster would be exciting and improved play is the best way to lessen the scapegoating and meltdowns this board has become locally famous for.

I am a big Byfield supporter way before this seasons bandwagoneering.

Byfield broke out and learned from Kopitar and Kempe last year, composing a very effective line.
The numbers have come up as I told @Sol Bustfield they would before the season.

His overall play has improved to the point where he does all the little things very well and needs to be moved back to center and you have to consider PLD on the wing next season,

He has derived major benefit from playing from Kopi and Kempe, learning how to do everything up close.

This up close learning pairing technique is why I would like to see Clarke paired with Doughty next season, despite being 2 RHD.

PLD has had some terrible moments balanced out with some good ones despite the latest scapegoated player here in a long line succession.

As stated previously, not having a not suited for NHL centreman player that is oft injured, an improving PLD and cap space in the future will be exciting.
 
Big fan of Englund and anyone who isn't a fan or thinks someone else should be in his spot - you can speak to Rob Blake. He built a very soft roster.

Since I have followed the Kings in 1992, we have always had a tough roster except when Andy Murray said the Kings powerplay was the Kings enforcer. Even then, players like Laperriere and Buchberger were everyday players, Deadmarsh and Allison could scrap, and guys like Flinn, Brennan, Belanger and Grimson were floating around.

Lombardi built a tough team, similar to Florida (no coincidence they are a top team).

Blake's toughest team was when he had both MacDermid and Lemieux on the roster. That lasted a few months...

Players like Maroon, Duhaine, Carrick and Trenin all went to playoff teams. Blake did nothing. Besides Englund, the toughest player on the team is a college kid. Embarrassing.

Hope things change in the off season.
 
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Im perched upon the horns of a dilemma.
Heh
Do i hope for the team to lose and not make the playoffs which will hasten the changes that need to be made (and be a bad fan and thief of the food i eat and a trespasser in the bed i sleep in)
OR
Continue to root for the team to win which is positive and sells product (and be a good fan and wear pigtails as pollyanna and be a happy idiot in total denial of critical thinking)
????
OR
Just take it easy the next couple months and let things play out however they do. Why choose an extreme when indifference is an option?
 
This take is just wrong.
Slotting Kopi, Daualt, Byfield down the middle wouldn't work. The only reason Kopi isn't getting exploited from lack of movement speed is because he's being carried by Byfield & another fast wing. Love Kopi, but the wheels are falling off.

PLD is a solid acquisition who is capable of putting up points & playing physical. Look at what some other playoff teams are running at 2C. Hell, look at Boston's 1C. Carolina just picked up Kuzentsov fresh out of the player's assistants program. Everyone is getting caught up on his salary. 8 is the new 6. Just wait for Draisaitl's new contract to hit.

Salary cap, King's need to fix the goalie situation. Dropping 7-8 million long term on a player like Saros or Hellebuyck is frightening. Look at the Bob contract. Dropping 20 million on Korpisalo isn't a solution, is it Ottawa. King's just need to be patient & not go all in & end up with a Campbell or Cal contract in goal again. Also space will open up.

The main push for this team is going to be when Byfield is a dominant 1C & Clarke is contributing every night. There's time to fill the goalie position.

Vilardi update: out with enlarged spleen.
Great post.

For next season, Kopitar would be a great 3c covering for two younger players .

I would start with generally, scratches depend on opponents and form.

24/25

PLD - Sol Q. Bustfield - Kempe
Fiala - Danault - Moore
Fagemo- Kopitar - Laferriere
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Lewis
Kaliyev - Turcotte

Clarke- DD
Gavri - Spence
Englund - Anderson
Moverare

Talbot or Ritiich - Portillo (Copley in Ontario)

Roy likely takes a higher offer than Blake can provide.
Bridge for Byfield
Blake plays hardball with RFA's who all can sit out if they don't like the one year offers.

Hopefully space to shore things up before deadline.
 
OR
Just take it easy the next couple months and let things play out however they do. Why choose an extreme when indifference is an option?
Outcome is far too critical for indiference.
Besides our teams mgmt team has displayed enough indifference and apathy to last me for a while...
 
Great post.

For next season, Kopitar would be a great 3c covering for two younger players .

I would start with generally, scratches depend on opponents and form.

24/25

PLD - Sol Q. Bustfield - Kempe
Fiala - Danault - Moore
Fagemo- Kopitar - Laferriere
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Lewis
Kaliyev - Turcotte

Clarke- DD
Gavri - Spence
Englund - Anderson
Moverare

Talbot or Ritiich - Portillo (Copley in Ontario)

Roy likely takes a higher offer than Blake can provide.
Bridge for Byfield
Blake plays hardball with RFA's who all can sit out if they don't like the one year offers.

Hopefully space to shore things up before deadline.
So you think signing Kopitar prematurely for 7 million was a mistake as he is a 3c now?
 
So you think signing Kopitar prematurely for 7 million was a mistake as he is a 3c now?
As opposed to disrespecting the greatest Kings player ever, 2 cups and a first vote HOFer over a million or so bucks or less a year?

Nothing premature about it, Byfield, Clarke, all the young players and any potential acquisitions all watching!!

Another classless myopic focus blame on one person or another comment spilling out of the over filled gas tank!
 
As opposed to disrespecting the greatest Kings player ever, 2 cups and a first vote HOFer over a million or so bucks or less a year?

Nothing premature about it, Byfield, Clarke, all the young players and any potential acquisitions all watching!!

Another classless myopic focus blame on one person or another comment spilling out of the over filled gas tank!
There is everything premature about it. Stamkos won 2 cups and they are playing it by year to sign him.
Quit being a brown noser. You arent getting a job from Blake by writing on hfboards.
At least you were trying to be funny as Axl now its just sad under this Nutz account.
 
There is everything premature about it. Stamkos won 2 cups and they are playing it by year to sign him.
Quit being a brown noser. You arent getting a job from Blake by writing on hfboards.
At least you were trying to be funny as Axl now its just sad under this Nutz account.
TB is not using the right approach and potential future extenddees and signings will take note of this.

Blake handled it correctly.

I will be who I stand alone as.

Dang I thought Anshutz would hire me as the next GM for sure.

Soul crusher!

Having duplicitous accounts is an HF rules violation and they are good at detecting it.

Please make up your own material and allow Sol to take full credit for his own zinger comments without slobbery regurgitation!
 
Other than winning the CUP , the greatest Kings playoff moments are "The Miracle on Manchester"(1982), Beating Detroit(2001), Forcing Colorado to game 7 twice(2001-2002) , Forcing Boston to game 7(1976), the 1993 march thru Canada (Cal-Van-Tor-Mont) , none of those happen without making the playoffs first.

It’s so sad that Kings fans have gaslit themselves into being proud of this list of accomplishments.
 
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It’s so sad that Kings fans have gaslit themselves into being proud of this list of accomplishments.

So ironic when chronically negative posters use the adjective sad to try to police anyone being positive here.

It's ok to be a true Kings fan being positive, in a haunted house nightmare, of ghoulish comments not from Kings fans but as the comments indicate, people who are fans of their ego's and their takes much more than the hockey team here in LA.

It's time to open the windows and let the sunshine in, exorcising the demons haunting this place.
 
Big fan of Englund and anyone who isn't a fan or thinks someone else should be in his spot - you can speak to Rob Blake. He built a very soft roster.

Since I have followed the Kings in 1992, we have always had a tough roster except when Andy Murray said the Kings powerplay was the Kings enforcer. Even then, players like Laperriere and Buchberger were everyday players, Deadmarsh and Allison could scrap, and guys like Flinn, Brennan, Belanger and Grimson were floating around.

Lombardi built a tough team, similar to Florida (no coincidence they are a top team).

Blake's toughest team was when he had both MacDermid and Lemieux on the roster. That lasted a few months...

Players like Maroon, Duhaine, Carrick and Trenin all went to playoff teams. Blake did nothing. Besides Englund, the toughest player on the team is a college kid. Embarrassing.

Hope things change in the off season.
The wussification under Blake's tenure is the worst part of the whole thing when you stop getting lost in the sauce of all the "should have/shouldn't have stopped the rebuild" stuff.

It's fun to cheer on a plucky bottom seed that plays tough and overcomes it's lack of top-end talent through grit and determination. It's not fun to cheer on a soft bottom seed that was constructed to win through speed and scoring but doesn't have enough of it.

Blake yanked the wheel hard in the other direction from DL's tailspin when he needed to just try and get the car going straight again. Bought way too much into the "New NHL" stuff when every Cup winner since he became GM features size and has some killers on it that don't take any shit. TB couldn't do get over the hump with all its talent until they played tough.

The game in general is a good amount softer than even 2014 but it has not been turned into the ice capades just yet but we are here with a culture that has routinely allowed other teams to do whatever they want with no real pushback. Winners set the tone. Real contenders may have the tone set by the winners but they respond in kind. The Kings let the tone be set whenever the other team wants to ramp up the physicality. Never has there been a Kings team so happy if the other team is agreeable to treating a game like no-contact pick up.
 
This take is just wrong.
Slotting Kopi, Daualt, Byfield down the middle wouldn't work. The only reason Kopi isn't getting exploited from lack of movement speed is because he's being carried by Byfield & another fast wing. Love Kopi, but the wheels are falling off.

PLD is a solid acquisition who is capable of putting up points & playing physical. Look at what some other playoff teams are running at 2C. Hell, look at Boston's 1C. Carolina just picked up Kuzentsov fresh out of the player's assistants program. Everyone is getting caught up on his salary. 8 is the new 6. Just wait for Draisaitl's new contract to hit.

Salary cap, King's need to fix the goalie situation. Dropping 7-8 million long term on a player like Saros or Hellebuyck is frightening. Look at the Bob contract. Dropping 20 million on Korpisalo isn't a solution, is it Ottawa. King's just need to be patient & not go all in & end up with a Campbell or Cal contract in goal again. Also space will open up.

The main push for this team is going to be when Byfield is a dominant 1C & Clarke is contributing every night. There's time to fill the goalie position.

Vilardi update: out with enlarged spleen.
This take in bold is just wrong.

Even if your assessment of Kopi is correct, Danault, Byfield, and Kopitar down the middle still would've been a viable option. It's basically the same scenario they're in now except you have Byfield as a center instead of PLD (which is a pretty significant improvement IMO). Your argument for that not being a viable option is basically "then Kopi would be missing a speedy winger to carry his lack of foot/movement speed" - Even if that became true there were other options on the table not named PLD and not costing $8.5m.
  • Kings could've used part of the money they saved on PLD to acquire a speedy winger to help 'carry' Kopitar
  • Kings could've pushed Kopitar down the lineup to 2C or 3C if his movement speed was really that much of an issue - Replacing him with Byfield.
  • Kings could've signed / traded for a good 'budget' 3C so they could keep Byfield on Kopitar's wing

It's insane to me that people are still trying to convince themselves acquiring PLD was a 'solid acquisition'. We traded a top 6 forward (granted, with injury issues), a middle 6 winger, a bottom 6 forward, AND a 2nd round pick for a guy who's a -16 and on pace for 37 points.

And to make matters worse, we signed that guy to an 8 year, $68m contract - greatly complicating our cap situation.

I'm not trying to be a PLD hater - I hope he turns it around. Who knows, maybe he has a rough first year in LA but picks things up next year. But at this point, knowing what we know right now, it's pretty ridiculous to call that trade anything other than a failure.

Yes, I get the cap will go up. I'd also be concerned with dropping $7-8m/year on a big name goalie. I said from the end of the playoffs last year Korpisalo wasn't/isn't the answer. And I get that Vilardi deals with injury issues. None of those things make the PLD trade 'solid' or even remotely successful. It's the kind of trade that gets a GM fired. Let's stop pretending otherwise.
 
The wussification under Blake's tenure is the worst part of the whole thing when you stop getting lost in the sauce of all the "should have/shouldn't have stopped the rebuild" stuff.

It's fun to cheer on a plucky bottom seed that plays tough and overcomes it's lack of top-end talent through grit and determination. It's not fun to cheer on a soft bottom seed that was constructed to win through speed and scoring but doesn't have enough of it.

Blake yanked the wheel hard in the other direction from DL's tailspin when he needed to just try and get the car going straight again. Bought way too much into the "New NHL" stuff when every Cup winner since he became GM features size and has some killers on it that don't take any shit. TB couldn't do get over the hump with all its talent until they played tough.

The game in general is a good amount softer than even 2014 but it has not been turned into the ice capades just yet but we are here with a culture that has routinely allowed other teams to do whatever they want with no real pushback. Winners set the tone. Real contenders may have the tone set by the winners but they respond in kind. The Kings let the tone be set whenever the other team wants to ramp up the physicality. Never has there been a Kings team so happy if the other team is agreeable to treating a game like no-contact pick up.

Blake has always just chased trends. He has no plan and never did. What’s everyone else doing? Uh, speed and skill. Sign Ilya Kovalchuk.

Dean’s teams on their softest of days would’ve wiped the floor with PLD, Fiala, and the rest of Blake’s clown car.
 
It’s so sad that Kings fans have gaslit themselves into being proud of this list of accomplishments.
LA has a horrendous PO History, but they have some good memories , with 32 teams (or more) about 1/2 the teams will never win a cup in most fans lifetimes, so yea the little highlights will be all they have.
Longest Stanley Cup Droughts , and what are their highlights over that span?
Toronto - 53 years - last time in the finals - 1967 - LA looks pretty good compared to them.
Buffalo - 52 years - twice to the finals 1975 and 1999 - lost both times.
Vancouver - 52 years - 3 times to the finals 1982, 1994, and 2011 - 0 for 3
Philadelphia - 48 years - How many fans remember the Cups? most remember making the Finals in 2010
NY I - 40 years - Last Finals 1984 many of their fans from then are nearing retirement
 
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PLD isn’t getting bought out, certainly not by BLuc. The move they can make to give cap space is Danault, moving to QB, PLD and Kopi down the middle.

The other player of value they might move is Kempe but that’d be a bad mistake IMO… unless they rebuild. I think that’s unlikely.

Losing RV, Roy and moving Danault would allow enough flexibility to balance the roster by adding grit and goaltending whilst signing QB. Whether that creates a contender will depend on QB, Clarke & Spence (to a lesser degree Turcotte and Laf) taking much bigger roles successfully. It’s a reach.
 
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PLD isn’t getting bought out, certainly not by BLuc. The move they can make to give cap space is Danault, moving to QB, PLD and Kopi down the middle.

The other player of value they might move is Kempe but that’d be a bad mistake IMO… unless they rebuild. I think that’s unlikely.

Losing RV, Roy and moving Danault would allow enough flexibility to balance the roster by adding grit and goaltending whilst signing QB. Whether that creates a contender will depend on QB, Clarke & Spence (to a lesser degree Turcotte and Laf) taking much bigger roles successfully. It’s a reach.

Phillipe is a defensive stalwart, and with Fiala and Moore on wings they have carried the Kings offense some nights.
He is the C on the 2nd PP and a big part of the #1 NHL PK.
Byfield is too much of a different player with a lot to learn to wear all those hats.
Byfield is an RFA with an improved but not booming point total while playing on L1.
Blake will give him a bridge to help his budget and because RB is scheduled to expire after next seasons.
Before the deadline, I read quite a few comments asking about PD, he is a very important piece to almost every part of the Kings game.
 
Suggesting that PL has been anything short of a massive disappointment is weapons-grade copium.

8.5M dollar centers with PP time shouldn’t have 31pts and a team worst plus-minus. Couple that with his propensity to float & forget he is 6’3”, and it’s just abysmal.

Luckily, he has shown more in the past, and I truly do hope he can rekindle that. The kings are stuck with him either way.
 

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