Proposal: LA Kings 2017 1st to Vegas for drafting Brown

[Bandit]

Vegas isn't going to take your albatross contract in exchange for only a 1st round pick. Why would they do that?

Why wouldn't they? GMs help each other out all the time. Are people seriously believing that Vegas is going to be competitive in it's first 5 years and somehow be in a cap crunch?

 

[Empoleon8771]

You know, if it was a high first, why wouldn't you? They could always adjust the rest of their expansion to pick players that are not heavy cap hits to accommodate for Browns.

If we're talking about a late first, Doesn't make much sense.

Why would LA have an early first? It will most likely be a mid to late one and Brown's contract is straight up abysmal. It needs to be a top-10 pick for any team to take that contract.

Why wouldn't they? GMs help each other out all the time. Are people seriously believing that Vegas is going to be competitive in it's first 5 years and somehow be in a cap crunch?

Do you seriously believe that Vegas, or any other team, is going to cripple themselves with 6 years at $6 million for a heavily declining Brown? Your late first isn't even close to enough to make teams do that. Bickell has 1 year left on his deal and it cost Terevainen to dump him.

 

[YP44]

Why would LA have an early first? It will most likely be a mid to late one and Brown's contract is straight up abysmal. It needs to be a top-10 pick for any team to take that contract.

Easy pass for this kings fan and I expect that pick to not be a lottery pick. Brown is very overpaid but by like $2M/year. I think a first is worth more than $2M.

I want Brown to break Taylor's record for most GP as a king, and then maybe LA can start looking at retaining on him or paying a steep sweetener. I do not want to see it before then.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Clearly no one in this thread has watched a Kings game this year. Brown is having a bounceback year, looks healthy for the first time in years. He is overpaid and has too much term but its not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. Brown is still a solid player and looks to be flirting with getting to 50 points this year. No way la gives up a first to get rid of him.

 

[Bandit]

Why would LA have an early first? It will most likely be a mid to late one and Brown's contract is straight up abysmal. It needs to be a top-10 pick for any team to take that contract.



Do you seriously believe that Vegas, or any other team, is going to cripple themselves with 6 years at $6 million for a heavily declining Brown? Your late first isn't even close to enough to make teams do that. Bickell has 1 year left on his deal and it cost Terevainen to dump him.

Bickell didn't go to an expansion team. Vegas would not be "crippled" by Brown's contract, they are an expansion team. They are going to suck regardless, and they are not going to be up against the cap before his contract expires.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

A single late first seems pretty cheap to get out of 5 more years of Brown.

I hate when people make these things with Brown because no one on here thinks Brown is worth ****. So it's a useless thread really.

But people do have to realize that the Kings have a top 10 pick at the moment. And it isn't going to change for awhile with Quick/Kopitar/Gaborik out.

 

[kilowatt]

Brown is one of the Kings' best players right now. No one wants Brown and he's playing really well - he's tied for second on the team in scoring - so the Kings are likely going to have to just ride this contract out.

His contract situation has spiraled so out of control that no one even looks at his stats or watches him play. People just hear Dustin Brown and say, "Oh, he sucks." That's fine, I get it, but Brown hasnt looked this good since the 2012 playoffs.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Bickell didn't go to an expansion team. Vegas would not be "crippled" by Brown's contract, they are an expansion team. They are going to suck regardless, and they are not going to be up against the cap before his contract expires.

His contract is 6 years long. Let me say that again, it's 6 years. You're going to be sorely disappointed if you think your 1st will be enough for Vegas to take Brown. I wouldn't even want him at 50% of his salary due to that contract length.

 

[damacles1156]

Honestly the Kings should just keep him, they finally have depth scoring with Brown/Dowd in the bottom six. Kings have been looking for that, for about three seasons now.

 

[Balthazar]

Easy pass for this kings fan and I expect that pick to not be a lottery pick. Brown is very overpaid but by like $2M/year. I think a first is worth more than $2M.

It's not the money this year though, it's the term. He's overpaid "by like 2M" this year, but what about next year? In 3 years? 5 years?

Yeah, that's bad.

 

[damacles1156]

It's not the money this year though, it's the term. He's overpaid "by like 2M" this year, but what about next year? In 3 years? 5 years?

Yeah, that's bad.

Correct, it's the part some King's fans have a hard time understanding about the contract.

Teams can deal with Cap hits, they can work with that. The Killer in the deal is term, and money owed to Brown.

Brown is due, close to 20 million dollars in the next three years.

That's a tough pill for any owner to swallow.

The Kings pretty much are stuck with Brown, unless another GM/Owner really wants Brown.

 

[Bandit]

His contract is 6 years long. Let me say that again, it's 6 years. You're going to be sorely disappointed if you think your 1st will be enough for Vegas to take Brown. I wouldn't even want him at 50% of his salary due to that contract length.

I'm not going to be "sorely disappointed" in anything. I don't care if they take him or not, it has nothing to do with my point.

 

[CHaracter79]

if youre giving him away and addign a first... what if the habs offer

DD (cap hit 3.5 just this season) for cap space
2nd 2018
2nd 2017

for
Dustin Brown
Tanner Pearson
1st

 

[deckercky]

Easy pass for this kings fan and I expect that pick to not be a lottery pick. Brown is very overpaid but by like $2M/year. I think a first is worth more than $2M.

Brown is overpaid by about $2M in cap space now. He is having a good year, but is likely to decline over the remainder of the contract. So the actual question is how much is $12-15M in wasted cap space worth? I'd say pretty confidently that it's worth far more than a bubble team's first round pick.

 

[JAK]

You build teams through the draft, if the trade is legal and he can stay within the budget set by ownership, he should definitely use every resource available to build the team.

The Vegas team will need marketable faces to put butts in seats, a former captain who has won two cups? A two time-Olympian American who has won a Silver medal? A leader who can mentor the young kids who the team will be built around?

Those who follow hockey may think that Brown isn't worth his contract, however, to the casual fans in Vegas who the team is trying to market it to, whether it be ticket sales or jersey sales, a recognizable name will only benefit the team.

There are plenty of positives that can be sold, and if that 1st rounder only turns into a 3rd liner, it will be a win for the team.

 

[YP44]

It's not the money this year though, it's the term. He's overpaid "by like 2M" this year, but what about next year? In 3 years? 5 years?

Yeah, that's bad.

I think his actual amount in dollars starts to decrease pretty soon. With every year he remains a king he becomes more desirable to another team in terms of term and amount owing to him. Let me be clear by more desirable I mean easy to move with less of a sweetener.

Also every year he remains a king the option to buy out vs retain or include a first becomes more and more ideal.

So no point in paying a first this year to get away from his deal. He is overpaid, but even if he reverts to his play of the past 2 years he still is a valuable 3rd liner who can kill penalties. Just very very overpaid. IMO That overpayment < 1st round pick to the kings. If the club had great prospects in the system and not semi-bare cupboards it would be different.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah a late 1st round pick from LA to take on that bad Dustin Brown contract isn't enough. Lombardi would need to retain quite a bit of salary as well.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Rackell then?

Ducks will buy Bieksa out before they expose Rakell or Silfverberg.

Bickell didn't go to an expansion team. Vegas would not be "crippled" by Brown's contract, they are an expansion team. They are going to suck regardless, and they are not going to be up against the cap before his contract expires.

There is no guarantee that Vegas will suck regardless. This is the first expansion in the cap era. With a floor and a ceiling, the right moves can mean they compete right out of the gate.

 

[YP44]

Brown is overpaid by about $2M in cap space now. He is having a good year, but is likely to decline over the remainder of the contract. So the actual question is how much is $12-15M in wasted cap space worth? I'd say pretty confidently that it's worth far more than a bubble team's first round pick.

I am ignoring his good start. Too small of sample size to say he is fully back.

LA will have future firsts they can deal when decline comes to the point he is not contributing in some fashion. And at that time he will have less $$ owed and less term so it may not cost as much as now.

 

[YP44]

Yeah a late 1st round pick from LA to take on that bad Dustin Brown contract isn't enough. Lombardi would need to retain quite a bit of salary as well.

at which point a buy out is much more likely.

 

[NoUserNameHere]

In reviewing the rules for the new expansion team I note this:

The Las Vegas franchise may not buy out any of the players selected in the Expansion Draft earlier than the summer following its first season.

So Las Vegas could buy out Dustin Brown in the summer after their first season. Yeah it would impact their salary cap, however they'll need their total salary to be at least 60% of the max cap. And Brown's buyout money would count toward that.

So if the offer LA made was sufficient (another 1st round pick) perhaps it really would be worth their while to think about making the trade.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

In reviewing the rules for the new expansion team I note this:

The Las Vegas franchise may not buy out any of the players selected in the Expansion Draft earlier than the summer following its first season.

So Las Vegas could buy out Dustin Brown in the summer after their first season. Yeah it would impact their salary cap, however they'll need their total salary to be at least 60% of the max cap. And Brown's buyout money would count toward that.

So if the offer LA made was sufficient (another 1st round pick) perhaps it really would be worth their while to think about making the trade.

Vegas is not going to have a problem getting to 60% of cap w/o needing to buy anyone out. Given the likely players exposed, getting to 44 million among 30 selections is going to be a piece of cake.

 

[likid]

No need to trade Brown. He is 50 points player again...

 

[theMajor]

Clearly no one in this thread has watched a Kings game this year. Brown is having a bounceback year, looks healthy for the first time in years. He is overpaid and has too much term but its not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. Brown is still a solid player and looks to be flirting with getting to 50 points this year. No way la gives up a first to get rid of him.

this. the Kings need that 1st anyway to restock the farm. extremely doubtful Lombardi will give up that pick to dump Brown who is experiencing a renaissance. doesnt make much sense from either side honestly

 

[YP44]

Vegas is not going to have a problem getting to 60% of cap w/o needing to buy anyone out. Given the likely players exposed, getting to 44 million among 30 selections is going to be a piece of cake.

yup, when I do the capfriendly expansion thing I usually have more of an issue staying under the cap haha.