LA hasn't won a playoff series in 8 years, hasn't changed their #1C, D or G

[Hostile Offer]

The LA Kings haven't won a playoff series in 8 seasons, having gone 0-3 without qualifying 5 times and hasn't changed a piece of their core. Brown's retirement created the first real change to their leadership group in that timeframe.

Partly the devil of longterm contracts, partly a long held belief in those players, and partly hubris from a management group that hasn't considered any of the seasons as last chances even though they have had 4 different coaches in that poor span.

To the best of your memory, has your favorite team ever gone an unsuccessful period of time that long without ever shaking up the core of their team?

It's interesting when you put it that way but they essentially went through a complete retool with that core and bottomed out so they haven't really been even expected to make any noise in the playoffs the last few years. I guess they could've/should've rebuilt a few years earlier but things are looking pretty bright for the Kings now and it's not a bad thing at all to have Kopitar/Doughty/Quick mentoring the young guys.

 

[kthx]

Huge respect towards Kings.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

True to an extent but is their hit rate really that bad?

Concerning - Turcotte, Fagemo, Madden, Vilardi, Kupari, Dudas, Thomas, Bjornfot

In between - Byfield, JAD, Simontaival

Very promising - Durzi, Spence, Clague, Kaliyev, Grans, Anderson

No doubt I'm missing a few and have assessed someone incorrectly. LA is not "my" team. But is this hit rate pretty normal? It's just that LA amassed so many in relatively short time that we put alot of focus on their prospect pool?

Kale Clague was claimed on waivers last season by Montreal. Clague has since signed with Buffalo.

 

[Pavels Dog]

True to an extent but is their hit rate really that bad?

Concerning - Turcotte, Fagemo, Madden, Vilardi, Kupari, Dudas, Thomas, Bjornfot

In between - Byfield, JAD, Simontaival

Very promising - Durzi, Spence, Clague, Kaliyev, Grans, Anderson

No doubt I'm missing a few and have assessed someone incorrectly. LA is not "my" team. But is this hit rate pretty normal? It's just that LA amassed so many in relatively short time that we put alot of focus on their prospect pool?

Well, the "concerning" and "in between" lists include most of the players that were supposed to be big time players for them. Can probably debate how promising the last group of players actually are too.

 

[The90]

The Maple Leafs of the West...... but the Kings won cups before their play off skid.

 

[HabsQC]

They can't hear you because they have two cup rings plugged into their ears

 

[Deas]

Kale Clague was claimed on waivers last season by Montreal. Clague has since signed with Buffalo.

Meant Clarke. Thanks.

 

[Statto]

Los Angeles could be in danger of losing Lias Andersson, Jaret Anderson-Dolan and Austin Wagner to waivers but I suspect Blake may have a few tricks up his sleeve to keep 2 out of the 3.

LA could always send Byfield back to Ontario for a few games to start the season same goes with Kaliyev and Bjornfot, anyone with the slightest injury could also be placed on IR for a few weeks to buy time to keep LA’s depth intact.

Having players like Kopitar, Doughty, Edler and Quick for the younger players to learn from isn’t bad either.

LA won Cups in 12 and 14 so it hasn’t past the 10 year cup less drought yet, the Kings fans atleast have something to be proud of unlike some of the other teams in the league.

No one wants Wagner, including LA. Whilst it would be nice to hold onto JAD and Andersson as there is untapped potential we have such a log-jam now that it’s almost inevitable we lose someone. I’m sure as things start to shake out in training camp they will try to start moving guys. It wouldn’t surprise me if they send some guys down early so that they aren’t claimed whilst teams are still trying to figure out their needs.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kings that won 44 games and scored 100 points, who led the Oilers 2-1, 3-2
but lost 2-0 in the game 7 of last season, who have one of the deepest prospect
pools in the NHL?

Is that the Kings you are talking about?


They are borderline contenders already this season
with the addition of young star player Kevin Fiala

they are not contenders, borderline or otherwise

 

[Rob Brown]

The Maple Leafs of the West...... but the Kings won cups before their play off skid.

Quick, let's turn a totally unrelated thread into a thread about Leafs and then complain about how Leafs fans make everything about them!

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

they are not contenders, borderline or otherwise

Why do you say that? They added Kevin Fiala to a team that had 99 points and was one of the top 5 road teams in the league. They also got those 99 points without their #1 defenseman.

They may not be in the top tier like Colorado or Tampa Bay but they're in the muddied second tier, which includes seven or eight teams.

 

[tkb81]

But they’re over 30 so they’re completely worthless ! In fact they have negative value !

yikes how old are you? i sure hope your not over 30 and become completly worthless as you hit a number lol

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

McClellan is a good coach for them during this ascension from the rebuild/retool. He’ll teach these young guys a lot of good habits and keep them competitive. Though their drafting has left a lot to be desired, I like the makeup of their current roster. Comparing it to the teams from ‘16 on really isn’t fair.

 

[PaulD]

N

Quick, let's turn a totally unrelated thread into a thread about Leafs and then complain about how Leafs fans make everything about them!

Ever said that once

LOL

 

[PaulD]

Quick, let's turn a totally unrelated thread into a thread about Leafs and then complain about how Leafs fans make everything about them!15 likes

Quick, let's turn a totally unrelated thread into a thread about Leafs and then complain about how Leafs fans make everything about them!

• 15 likes
• 2 whines

I'll take that

Nice to know I haven't lost my touch.

 

[shadow1]

LA gets somewhat of a pass because they've been rebuilding.

But to answer the OP's question - yes, my favorite team has had a similarly long stretch:

Players	Timeframe	Playoff Appearances	Series Wins
C Matt Duchene LW Gabe Landeskog D Erik Johnson G Semyon Varlamov	2010-2017 2012-2017 2011-2017 2011-2017	2	0

8 years of no playoff wins with Duchene in the fold, but the Avalanche's series win drought actually lasted from 2009-2018. They finally beat Calgary in 2019.

Speaking of Calgary, the Iginla/Regehr/Kiprusoff Flames core also went 8 years without a series win (2006-2013).

 

[YP44]

speaks to how deep LA was that they had assets to sell off and rebuild without dealing Kopitar or Drew (plus contracts may have played a factor).
I think LA tried to deal Quick when dealing Campbell

LA gets somewhat of a pass because they've been rebuilding.

But to answer the OP's question - yes, my favorite team has had a similarly long stretch:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]Players[/TH]
[TH]Timeframe[/TH]
[TH]Playoff Appearances[/TH]
[TH]Series Wins[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]C Matt Duchene
LW Gabe Landeskog
D Erik Johnson
G Semyon Varlamov[/TD]
[TD]2010-2017
2012-2017
2011-2017
2011-2017[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

8 years of no playoff wins with Duchene in the fold, but the Avalanche's series win drought actually lasted from 2009-2018. They finally beat Calgary in 2019.

Speaking of Calgary, the Iginla/Regehr/Kiprusoff Flames core also went 8 years without a series win (2006-2013).

flames popped into my head but did not know the math on it

 

[Rob Brown]

• 15 likes
• 2 whines

I'll take that

Nice to know I haven't lost my touch.

Nice to know that you felt the need to quote me three separate times. And I'm not whining, just calling you out for trying to turn a totally unrelated thread into a Leafs thread, but that's typically what you do here every single day.

 

[Puckclektr]

Exactly. Those three guys will never help them win a cup. Ever!!!!

 

[PaulD]

Nice to know that you felt the need to quote me three separate times. And I'm not whining, just calling you out for trying to turn a totally unrelated thread into a Leafs thread, but that's typically what you do here every single day.

No it isn't.
I'm on my Habs board. Bruins board.
Pens board. Trades .
Never on leaf board.
You scour posts looking for anything that knocks your beloved leafs .......then jump on it.
Maple leaf patrol Sargent .

But we all get it. Leaf fans are a miserable if not sensitive bunch.

Cheers

 

[Schmooley]

True to an extent but is their hit rate really that bad?

Concerning - Turcotte, Fagemo, Madden, Vilardi, Kupari, Dudas, Thomas, Bjornfot

In between - Byfield, JAD, Simontaival

Very promising - Durzi, Spence, Clarke, Kaliyev, Grans, Anderson

No doubt I'm missing a few and have assessed someone incorrectly. LA is not "my" team. But isn't this hit rate pretty normal? It's just that LA amassed so many in relatively short time that we put alot of focus on their prospect pool?

Their hit rate isnt great with the top picks. Kupari and Bjornfot are not concerning. They have had some really good games its just a consistency issue. The staff keeps talking up Fagemo so he is coming along fine and this year is his time to make a push.
If Byfield Clarke and Kaliyev reach their maximum potential the Kings will be fine. If not many fans are going to question every decision made by management mishandling picks and development choices.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Their hit rate isnt great with the top picks. Kupari and Bjornfot are not concerning. They have had some really good games its just a consistency issue. The staff keeps talking up Fagemo so he is coming along fine and this year is his time to make a push.
If Byfield Clarke and Kaliyev reach their maximum potential the Kings will be fine. If not many fans are going to question every decision made by management mishandling picks and development choices.

Rangers have a similar issue. Teams that "rebuilt" but still had a core of high end veterans so they couldn't spoonfeed opportunities to their hot young prospects so they appear to be developing slowly. We'll see in a few years if this method really hurt their development or not. Im hoping not.

 

[Schmooley]

Rangers have a similar issue. Teams that "rebuilt" but still had a core of high end veterans so they couldn't spoonfeed opportunities to their hot young prospects so they appear to be developing slowly. We'll see in a few years if this method really hurt their development or not. Im hoping not.

Yes it is a very similar situation! I am from New York and have a family of Ranger fans that are lamenting the same things with the Rangers half in half out rebuild. I will be happy if this method works in the long run but both the Kings and Rangers are about to start playing waiver games with 1st round picks.

 

[PaulD]

Their hit rate isnt great with the top picks. Kupari and Bjornfot are not concerning. They have had some really good games its just a consistency issue. The staff keeps talking up Fagemo so he is coming along fine and this year is his time to make a push.
If Byfield Clarke and Kaliyev reach their maximum potential the Kings will be fine. If not many fans are going to question every decision made by management mishandling picks and development choices.

I was surprised and impressed with the way the team played against the Oilers in the first round. Young skill and speed to burn.
Good job Rob Blake

 

[randallh]

Their hit rate isnt great with the top picks. Kupari and Bjornfot are not concerning. They have had some really good games its just a consistency issue. The staff keeps talking up Fagemo so he is coming along fine and this year is his time to make a push.
If Byfield Clarke and Kaliyev reach their maximum potential the Kings will be fine. If not many fans are going to question every decision made by management mishandling picks and development choices.

I think guys are always saying well the Kings top talent has struggled; guys like Byfield should be playing like Tim Stutzle, etc. It's easier to be a prospect on a team that has no chance at making the playoffs. You can play them and if they make mistakes, keep them in the lineup because they're learning.

The Kings are trying to make the playoffs and despite the original poster saying they're a bunch of losers. They marched out a pretty decent playoff caliber team with guys like Kopitar, Danault, Arvidsson, Kempe, Brown on offense and Doughty, Edler, Walker and Anderson on defense. You can't expect to throw out a Byfield or a Brandt Clarke out there and hope for the best.