Proposal: LA-DET

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

@McJedi thought this was interesting, so why not.

Turcotte for Zadina.

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[McJedi]

I’d do it from LA’s shoes.

Zadina has had some moments in the NHL. The talent is there. The consistency to show it nightly has not been.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I’d do it from LA’s shoes.

Zadina has had some moments in the NHL. The talent is there. The consistency to show nightly has not been.

I think the problem with him is that he doesn't play in the right system. Detroit has no natural playmakers. And, what he's been saddled with in Detroit doesn't lend to his skill set.

 

[LAKings88]

Doesn’t move the needle for me from LA. Turcotte has skill and tenacity. All the intangibles are there too. Not sure if he will be a winger or not although that seems likely and that is perfectly fine. Only real concern at this point for me is durability.

 

[McJedi]

I think the problem with him is that he doesn't play in the right system. Detroit has no natural playmakers. And, what he's been saddled with in Detroit doesn't lend to his skill set.

The type of trade you proposed here are my absolute favorite type of trades.

A) they actually happen sometimes (high pick prospect swaps where the players just aren’t developing as hoped)

2) these deals have the most likely chance to turn out really lopsided if one guy thrives and the other busts in their new respective jerseys. That makes them fun to discuss for years and years.

last trade kinda like this was Fiala for Grunland, which Minnesota decisively won IMO.

neither Zadina or Turcotte has developed as much as expected or hoped. But neither is at Jake Virtanen bust status either. They still hold some value but not nearly as much value as when they were drafted. The high pick prospect swap is the most interesting way to spark a career or establish a bust. Few GMs have the stones to make these deals, but occasionally two get drunk enough and say, “F it, let’s roll the dice”.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Doesn’t move the needle for me from LA. Turcotte has skill and tenacity. All the intangibles are there too. Not sure if he will be a winger or not although that seems likely and that is perfectly fine. Only real concern at this point for me is durability.

Fair. I was very high on him in his draft year.

Even with the injuries, I still feel he can be a solid NHL center.

EDIT: Sorry, to add, I kinda see him as an Adam Henrique.

 

[Legend123]

turcotte over zegras

lol wth were they thinking

 

[McJedi]

turcotte over zegras

lol wth were they thinking

Right after Turcotte.

6) Sieder
7) Cozens

9) Zegras

good players that have already surpassed Turcotte also went at 10, 12, 15 and 16 OA. Even LA got one in round 2 of that draft.

2019 looking like a solid draft class. Better than 2018.

 

[McJedi]

Fair. I was very high on him in his draft year.

Even with the injuries, I still feel he can be a solid NHL center.

EDIT: Sorry, to add, I kinda see him as an Adam Henrique.

You don’t go into a draft with a 5 OA pick and say. “Man I hope this guy becomes Adam Henrique.”

 

[BonMorrison]

I've been under the impression that Turcotte has an elite ceiling while Zadina's has dropped significantly recently. Is this not the case?

 

[kings11]

The type of trade you proposed here are my absolute favorite type of trades.

A) they actually happen sometimes (high pick prospect swaps where the players just aren’t developing as hoped)

2) these deals have the most likely chance to turn out really lopsided if one guy thrives and the other busts in their new respective jerseys. That makes them fun to discuss for years and years.

last trade kinda like this was Fiala for Grunland, which Minnesota decisively won IMO.

neither Zadina or Turcotte has developed as much as expected or hoped. But neither is at Jake Virtanen bust status either. They still hold some value but not nearly as much value as when they were drafted. The high pick prospect swap is the most interesting way to spark a career or establish a bust. Few GMs have the stones to make these deals, but occasionally two get drunk enough and say, “F it, let’s roll the dice”.

Turcotte hasn’t developed according to who? the kid has done the most with very little in Ontario and is only being outproduced by last seasons MVP and a bunch of AAAA players.
being saddle with Wagner(who is terrible) and Madden who just now started producing affected his production.
The kid has shown a very high hockey IQ, playmaking, vision, grit, play driving ability and elite defense.. but wait, he hasn’t put up enough points so he’s a bust!
If it was Vilardi for Zadina maybe I could understand, but for Turcotte??? This thread is idiotic!

 

[BSHH]

Turcotte hasn’t developed according to who? the kid has done the most with very little in Ontario and is only being outproduced by last seasons MVP and a bunch of AAAA players.
being saddle with Wagner(who is terrible) and Madden who just now started producing affected his production.
The kid has shown a very high hockey IQ, playmaking, vision, grit, play driving ability and elite defense.. but wait, he hasn’t put up enough points so he’s a bust!
If it was Vilardi for Zadina maybe I could understand, but for Turcotte??? This thread is idiotic!

You could draw up a similar speech for Zadina. That's not saying Detroit would overpay, but Zadina's points are worse than his actual play as well.

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

@McJedi thought this was interesting, so why not.

Turcotte for Zadina.

If you don't like it, please say why. I like discussion and feedback.

Detroit 100% takes that deal, But unfortunately LA does not pretty sure Rob Blake would want more then just Zadina for Turcotte.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

You don’t go into a draft with a 5 OA pick and say. “Man I hope this guy becomes Adam Henrique.”

Well, not exactly him, but the versatility.

I get it, just trying to convey that I think he'll be a solid player.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Detroit 100% takes that deal, But unfortunately LA does not pretty sure Rob Blake would want more then just Zadina for Turcotte.

Ok, what do you think needs to be added?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Ok, what do you think needs to be added?

Probably either a late 2nd or early 3rd, I wouldn't give up much more then that. I don't believe that Blake was even willing to include Turcotte for an injured Jack Eichel. So it's doubtful that Zadina would get it done.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Probably either a late 2nd or early 3rd, I wouldn't give up much more then that. I don't believe that Blake was even willing to include Turcotte for an injured Jack Eichel. So it's doubtful that Zadina would get it done.

Would adding a mid round pick really sway anyone to say yes?

I don't mind an expansion of the deal, but attaching a pick just seems like arguing value.

 

[Kurrilino]

I've been under the impression that Turcotte has an elite ceiling while Zadina's has dropped significantly recently. Is this not the case?

This is still the case.

While Zadina is still interesting, he is not the right one to trade Turcotte away.
I would expect a young winger with more potential or more proven goal scoring abilities

 

[Kurrilino]

Ok, what do you think needs to be added?

The thing is that Zadina isn't the one L.A. is looking for regardless of what would be added or not.
Our blue chips should only go for other blue chips and centers are way more valuable than wingers

 

[WingsMJN2965]

turcotte over zegras

lol wth were they thinking

To be fair, the top 5 was pretty consensus going into the draft. Some had Turcotte going as high as #3, thinking Chicago might want him as he was local.

About the last week or so it became obvious that Chicago was going with Dach.

 

[Petes2424]

@McJedi thought this was interesting, so why not.

Turcotte for Zadina.

If you don't like it, please say why. I like discussion and feedback.

it’s a good proposal overall and fits both teams in the need department.

Detroit will be forced very soon to do something when Vrana returns.

Turcotte would add to the Wings lot of prospects in its one weakness. Young high end C prospects. They’re also very familiar with Turcotte trained players. From his dad, uncle and grandfather. He’s like many young players. He’s just not ready to take on major responsibilities yet.

As for Zadina, he’s coming along very well and is evolving in front of our eyes. He’s starting to create his own chances and with his shot, he’s already dangerous on the PP..

So we’re talking about two very similar players in regards to development. Zadina is just a bit ahead of him. It fits the needs of both clubs though.

So yea, it’s a good proposal that both would probably look at with interest.

 

[McJedi]

Turcotte hasn’t developed according to who? the kid has done the most with very little in Ontario and is only being outproduced by last seasons MVP and a bunch of AAAA players.
being saddle with Wagner(who is terrible) and Madden who just now started producing affected his production.
The kid has shown a very high hockey IQ, playmaking, vision, grit, play driving ability and elite defense.. but wait, he hasn’t put up enough points so he’s a bust!
If it was Vilardi for Zadina maybe I could understand, but for Turcotte??? This thread is idiotic!

Very little in Ontario? That’s nonsense.

The Kings have one of the top five AHL teams. They are in 2nd place out west. Turcotte is playing with one of the best AHL teams. In fact, there are only 3 AHL teams in the entire league with better record than LA Kings AHL team. So saying Turcotte has nothing to work with is BS.

 

[McJedi]

Turcotte hasn’t developed according to who? the kid has done the most with very little in Ontario and is only being outproduced by last seasons MVP and a bunch of AAAA players.
being saddle with Wagner(who is terrible) and Madden who just now started producing affected his production.
The kid has shown a very high hockey IQ, playmaking, vision, grit, play driving ability and elite defense.. but wait, he hasn’t put up enough points so he’s a bust!
If it was Vilardi for Zadina maybe I could understand, but for Turcotte??? This thread is idiotic!

Vilardi for Rasmussen is another interesting proposal.

I don’t think Vilardi gets Zadina. Kings add to that. Vilardi isn’t even a full time NHL player. He’s got 9 AHL games in this season.

for those that don’t know, Turcotte has just 3 goals and 10 points in 18 AHL games.

 

[Schmooley]

Vilardi for Rasmussen is another interesting proposal.

I don’t think Vilardi gets Zadina. Kings add to that. Vilardi isn’t even a full time NHL player. He’s got 9 AHL games in this season.

for those that don’t know, Turcotte has just 3 goals and 10 points in 18 AHL games.

Why you telling Kings fans whats a good deal for their team? Turcotte wasnt even on the table for Eichel. Doubtful hes going anywhere and will probably wear a letter for the Kings in the future. His health is the only concern. He has to bulk up a bit before he makes the NHL and will be a top six center along with Byfield. I think centers like Vilardi, Kupari, Anderson Dolan are being made available in a package for Chychrun not lateral moves for unproven players.

 

[kinghock]

Vilardi for Rasmussen is another interesting proposal.

I don’t think Vilardi gets Zadina. Kings add to that. Vilardi isn’t even a full time NHL player. He’s got 9 AHL games in this season.

for those that don’t know, Turcotte has just 3 goals and 10 points in 18 AHL games.

How about neither Zadina nor Rasmussen attract interest from Kings.
Detroit can trade them somewhere else or keep it.