Value of: Kyrou to MTL

[Hodge]

I’m not sure Suzuki is the type of full build around center that would force a hand in a situation like this.

It’s also oddly funny how strongly opinionated fans are on stacking players in the same age range to build a competitive team.

Most good teams that have come about and competitive teams that win the cup have two separate age ranges that make impacts.

There’s nothing wrong with Montreal keeping guys like Suzuki and a few others in that age range while shooting for a time table of 3 years from now.

There’s an odd misunderstanding that players are only a part of a winning formula in their “prime” which in these realms somehow is 24-28 and then they’re too old.

MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Burakovsky, Nichushkin, Lehkonen and Toews were all born within 4 years of each other. Makar was 2 years younger.

Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov, Killorn, Palat, Point, Vasilevskiy all within 5 years.

Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang, Fleury all within 2 years.

Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Crawford all within 5 years.

Kopitar, Carter, Richards, Doughty, Quick all within 5 years.

It's usually a pretty tight band among the core and even core-adjacent players.

 

[sfvega]

I feel like Kyrou is undervalued by our fans because he's become the whipping boy for our team's issues in general. But I don't even think his detractors would think that he's worse than Dach today. Jesus.

 

[stl76]

Great, won't move Dach for what would be 3C in our organization in a few years.

Waste of time....and ignoring...

Kyrou is a W, not a C

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Nope.

Keep Kyrou we'll keep our stuff.

Pourquoi avons-nous toujours le même argument encore une fois. Ce n'est plus amusant après la 20ème fois.

 

[HuGort]

lol good luck with that Caufield contract though

He's had many injuries

 

[samsagat]

Pourquoi avons-nous toujours le même argument encore une fois. Ce n'est plus amusant après la 20ème fois.

Parce qu'il n'y a pas d'arguments à avoir..

 

[TS Quint]

Ryder, Halak and a 2nd

It's now Stuble/Harris, Dvorak and the Jets 1st. Get with the times!

 

[samsagat]

It's now Stuble/Harris, Dvorak and the Jets 1st. Get with the times!

Yep, Habs fans are delusional like when they thought Chiarot, Lehkonen and Monahan were worth a first...

Oups, wait...

 

[TS Quint]

Yep, Habs fans are delusional like when they thought Chiarot, Lehkonen and Monahan were worth a first...

Oups, wait...

Was Chariot really worth that 1st? Did Lehkonen get a 1st?

And when they thought Domi was a 70 point centre and Galchenyuk was only shitty because of his coach etc etc

 

[samsagat]

Was Chariot really worth that 1st? Did Lehkonen get a 1st?

And when they thought Domi was a 70 point centre and Galchenyuk was only shitty because of his coach etc etc

Obviously, if someone paid a 1st, he was worth a 1st.

Barron was a recent 1st.

And what's your point here?

That Montreal fans aren't knowledgeable while you guys are?

Sorry, but this contempt towards MTL fans is laughable.

Delusionalness is certainly not a MTL fans monopoly. In fact it's all over the place...

So stop with that BS...

 

[Blueshead version 2]

Kyrou + 2nd for 5 OA and Reinbacher.

I know, I know...too much value but this is a win win for both teams. Montreal gets the offensive talent it needs plus on a very good contract for the next 7 seasons. St Louis gets a possible defensive fix but based on two unknown risks.

 

[bud12]

Kyrou + 2nd for 5 OA and Reinbacher.

I know, I know...too much value but this is a win win for both teams. Montreal gets the offensive talent it needs plus on a very good contract for the next 7 seasons. St Louis gets a possible defensive fix but based on two unknown risks.

Mtl say NO DAWG. It's terribad

 

[Blueshead version 2]

Mtl say NO DAWG. It's terribad

OMG...terribad?!?!!

Kyrou is the type of asset Mtl can't buy, on a good contract for 7 more seasons and is perfect for your coach to mold.

Reinbacher I am hoping would be a second pairing but certainly not a lock. Would changing the 2nd to 16 OA be enough to temper the terribad?

 

[bud12]

OMG...terribad?!?!!

Kyrou is the type of asset Mtl can't buy, on a good contract for 7 more seasons and is perfect for your coach to mold.

Reinbacher I am hoping would be a second pairing but certainly not a lock. Would changing the 2nd to 16 OA be enough to temper the terribad?

Trading the 5ov for Kyrou is reasonable..maybe small add from both side depending how you value respective pieces. But no way you will be able to pry Reinbacher for a 2nd, even the 16ov will not be enough

 

[TS Quint]

Obviously, if someone paid a 1st, he was worth a 1st.

Barron was a recent 1st.

And what's your point here?

That Montreal fans aren't knowledgeable while you guys are?

Sorry, but this contempt towards MTL fans is laughable.

Delusionalness is certainly not a MTL fans monopoly. In fact it's all over the place...

So stop with that BS...

Does anyone think Charoit was "worth" that first? No.

Who cares where a player was drafted? It means nothing. Players values are independent from their draft position.

I didn't start this conversation. I was just laughing at the same crappy proposal that Habs fans make every trade thread. Its funny because its true, take a joke.You are the one who was attempting to make a point and failed. I've shown you are out to lunch and now you are upset and playing victim.

 

[samsagat]

Does anyone think Charoit was "worth" that first? No.

Who cares where a player was drafted? It means nothing. Players values are independent from their draft position.

I didn't start this conversation. I was just laughing at the same crappy proposal that Habs fans make every trade thread. Its funny because its true, take a joke.You are the one who was attempting to make a point and failed. I've shown you are out to lunch and now you are upset and playing victim.

You talk like a king, but you're just the king of second guessing after everything is said and done.

J. Brisebois paid a first for Savard and won a cup afterward. The value of a first at the TD, for a contender team, is very relative.

Defensemen like Chiarot take all their significance comes the playoffs, when cleaning the front of the net and distributing cross checks gets to another level of importance.

If Bill Zito, a respected GM in the NHL, paid a first for him, there's certainly a reason.
And don't take it personally, but I trust his judgement more than yours...

Furthermore, at the time of the trade, Barron was still worth the equivalent of a first. Want it or not, it's the truth.

You're just trying to prove that you were right, even if you've been proved wrong (by the reality of the ACTUAL NHL, not what YOU think the NHL should be)...

That's textbook misplaced pride..

 

[Mersss]

OMG...terribad?!?!!

Kyrou is the type of asset Mtl can't buy, on a good contract for 7 more seasons and is perfect for your coach to mold.

Reinbacher I am hoping would be a second pairing but certainly not a lock. Would changing the 2nd to 16 OA be enough to temper the terribad?

Kyrou is not worth the 5oa.

Defense is what wins championship,.Kyrou is allergic to his defensive zone

You want the 5oa? Cool that will cost.you Thomas

 

[Blueshead version 2]

Oh...OK. We'll keep Thomas and see your 5th in 3 to 5 years. Depth wins championships on both sides of the ice.

 

[SensFactor]

Slaf for Kyrou straight up

 

[Blueshead version 2]

Slaf for Kyrou straight up

Have a feeling you don't represent the feelings of the Mtl fan base but have to say I like your thinking. Looking for defense in exchange for Kyrou. But could you wait on answer until the day before the draft?

 

[bud12]

Have a feeling you don't represent the feelings of the Mtl fan base but have to say I like your thinking. Looking for defense in exchange for Kyrou. But could you wait on answer until the day before the draft?

No need to wait. You're out of touch if you think mtl would even think about trading Slaf for kyrou

 

[Blueshead version 2]

No need to wait. You're out of touch if you think mtl would even think about trading Slaf for kyrou

Sorry Bud, but was being sarcastic, (though could still be out of touch), and no way did I think a true Mtl fan was behind that idea.

 

[TS Quint]

You talk like a king, but you're just the king of second guessing after everything is said and done.

J. Brisebois paid a first for Savard and won a cup afterward. The value of a first at the TD, for a contender team, is very relative.

Defensemen like Chiarot take all their significance comes the playoffs, when cleaning the front of the net and distributing cross checks gets to another level of importance.

If Bill Zito, a respected GM in the NHL, paid a first for him, there's certainly a reason.
And don't take it personally, but I trust his judgement more than yours...

Furthermore, at the time of the trade, Barron was still worth the equivalent of a first. Want it or not, it's the truth.

You're just trying to prove that you were right, even if you've been proved wrong (by the reality of the ACTUAL NHL, not what YOU think the NHL should be)...

That's textbook misplaced pride..

Lighten up Francis. I made a joke about the same shit offer that Habs fans make for every player now you are losing your mind. You've gone off on some irrational tangent. Nothing but straw men and lies. Or maybe in you psychosis you actually believe what you are saying is true. Either way it might be time to take a break and go outside for a bit.

 

[westc2]

Isn't Montreal still rebuilding? Why would they want to give picks/prospects away? Kyrou isn't turning them into a playoff team.