Seravalli: Kyrou #2 on Trade Target Board

[Spektre]

Seravall clarified on Daily Faceoff Live that Kyrou's name is not out there for 1st round picks. They're looking for an "impact piece." He mentioned Dobson and Peterka as the kind of return they'd want.

Trading Kyrou for another winger doesn't really make a lot of sense.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Flames would be interested.

Andersson for Kyrou.

 

[BuLLeT1291]

Flames would be interested.

Andersson for Kyrou.

I’d rather stab myself in the eyeballs with a rusty nail.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I feel like Peterka for Kyrou is something that if both teams wanted it, it would be done.

Buffalo probably wants either a better player or someone thats a permanent C. But in reality I doubt they get a much better offer than Kyrou 1 for 1. Plus he's actually signed long term

St. Louis probably would prefer a D (maybe Byram? Although Dobson is better) but getting Peterka for Kyrou would be great value

There's virtually 0 benefit for Peterka for Kyrou for the Blues. They signed Kyrou at a good time and he's already worth the cap hit prior to the cap increasing. He's also made massive strides in his 200 ft game. Moving him for Peterka just sets the clock back 3 years where the same ones that are complaining about Kyrou are going to be complaining about Peterka.

Byram also doesn't make alot of sense when looking at current roster construction. Prior to the Blues adding Fowler and him being as good as he was finally adding a good compliment to Parayko I could see the benefit, but the Blues left side is strong now, and pretty deep. Nick Leddy would still be a #4 on alot of teams in the NHL and be servicable. But Broberg and Fowler were both really good.

 

[DatDude44]

To help Seravalli get clicks. What you said is true, the Blues are not going to trade Kyrou for a “package”.

Nah there's actual real logic. Like his NTC kicking in in a month, our dire need for a #1 D in their prime and Kyrous lack of engagement at times and playoff style play. Definitely won't move him for anything outside of a #1D though. He certainly took steps forward in his overall game this year, but the kid still drives u nuts here and there with lackluster puck pursuit at times and unnecessary/unforced turnovers. But he's grown alot and as a fan, who used to beat to the trade Kyrou drum for a few years, I'm now much less inclined to trade him, unless it's for a Dobson.

Kyrou and Holloway together on the 2nd line (better matchups) were incredible too. I'm not too excited about breaking that up either.

 

[JKG33]

There's virtually 0 benefit for Peterka for Kyrou for the Blues. They signed Kyrou at a good time and he's already worth the cap hit prior to the cap increasing. He's also made massive strides in his 200 ft game. Moving him for Peterka just sets the clock back 3 years where the same ones that are complaining about Kyrou are going to be complaining about Peterka.

Byram also doesn't make alot of sense when looking at current roster construction. Prior to the Blues adding Fowler and him being as good as he was finally adding a good compliment to Parayko I could see the benefit, but the Blues left side is strong now, and pretty deep. Nick Leddy would still be a #4 on alot of teams in the NHL and be servicable. But Broberg and Fowler were both really good.

I feel like Peterka has a much higher ceiling offensively than Kyrou (who's kind of plateaued there). You can teach Peterka a 200 ft game too. Kyrou has been in a great situation in St Louis but basically is what he is. Peterka has produced in an awful situation in Buffalo, I'd love to see him on a competent team like St. Louis. Look at Reinhart when he went to Florida.

Obviously on defence ya'll would prefer a young righty, so would most teams. But I see Byram coming in to a defence that outside of Broberg is quite old. Byram fits in well with the younger forwards/Broberg/Hofer.

Im by no means trying to tell you what to think of your own team lol. Just from an outsider this feels like a great opportunity to either upgrade a forward that doesnt have that dawg in him to someone better, or trade from an area of strength (young forwards) to add to an area of weakness (young D)

 

[DatDude44]

I feel like Peterka has a much higher ceiling offensively than Kyrou (who's kind of plateaued there). You can teach Peterka a 200 ft game too. Kyrou has been in a great situation in St Louis but basically is what he is. Peterka has produced in an awful situation in Buffalo, I'd love to see him on a competent team like St. Louis. Look at Reinhart when he went to Florida.

Obviously on defence ya'll would prefer a young righty, so would most teams. But I see Byram coming in to a defence that outside of Broberg is quite old. Byram fits in well with the younger forwards/Broberg/Hofer.

Im by no means trying to tell you what to think of your own team lol. Just from an outsider this feels like a great opportunity to either upgrade a forward that doesnt have that dawg in him to someone better, or trade from an area of strength (young forwards) to add to an area of weakness (young D)

Don't disagree about Peterka. He plays a harder style game than kyrou as well. But we would also have Buchnevich, Peterka, Holloway, Neighbours and Bolduc as left handed wingers with stenberg, kaskimaki, stancl on the way.

For me, Byram is that guy who's just not good enough to anchor a top pair, but is offensively gifted and can move the puck in a sheltered role. Broberg, is essentially the same thing, with less offensive acumen, but much better defensive structure and physicality. I'd personally pass on byram because he certainly wouldn't fit a 3rd pair role either nor would he like that. I think he needs to go to a team desperate for a puck moving D and let him just run and make mistakes etc... and I think he'd just be a worse version of broberg at 5v5, seems redundant.

I just don't think peterka/byram make sense composition wise. Especially if Byram isn't a top pair 200ft D, which he's just not. We have fowler-Parayko and Broberg for probably 3 more seasons(Fowler has said he wants to resign) and then who knows what happens with Faulk/trades/ theo Lindstein/Adam Jiricek

Purely based on Value, I agree with what your saying though. I just don't like the "fit" for them in STL if that makes sense.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I feel like Peterka has a much higher ceiling offensively than Kyrou (who's kind of plateaued there). You can teach Peterka a 200 ft game too. Kyrou has been in a great situation in St Louis but basically is what he is. Peterka has produced in an awful situation in Buffalo, I'd love to see him on a competent team like St. Louis. Look at Reinhart when he went to Florida.

Obviously on defence ya'll would prefer a young righty, so would most teams. But I see Byram coming in to a defence that outside of Broberg is quite old. Byram fits in well with the younger forwards/Broberg/Hofer.

Im by no means trying to tell you what to think of your own team lol. Just from an outsider this feels like a great opportunity to either upgrade a forward that doesnt have that dawg in him to someone better, or trade from an area of strength (young forwards) to add to an area of weakness (young D)

I truly don't think Peterka does and I don't think the situation is hardly any different in St. Louis than it is in Buffalo offensively. They actually produced goals at a very similar rate with St. Louis the last two seasons. Kyrou has had similar production the last 3 years while learning how to play a 200 ft game. What I'm getting at is we're going to go through the same growing pains with Peterka for likely the same outcome. The same people complaining about a turnover, the same people complaining that Peterka isn't 6'3 and hitting everyone or winning every board battle.

What we can't guarantee though is that Holloway looks the same without Kyrou. Those two were incredible together. I just don't see a reason to go back through contract negotiations and go back through growing pains and go back through trying to find chemistry when we just made the playoffs and have a large 2nd wave of forwards that are on the brink of making an impact. 8.125m isn't going to be damning money for a guy producing slightly under a ppg level it's a really good value contract. I just don't see what's broken about the situation to try and fix.

In terms of the old defense - that's certainly a problem we're going to have to address. We aren't completely empty on prospects coming up. But it's hard to be too optimistic about having something in house to replace Faulk in a couple years when his contract is up with Jiricek's constant injuries. But it's very reasonable to expect that Lindstein will be a good NHLer and likely be more than a bottom pairing option. Lukas Fisher has also been really good and looks like a good pick by the am scouting department. I personally like Colin Ralph's profile but nonetheless even if none of them work out we're still going to have Parayko and Broberg for at least the next 5 years being guys who play a good game for over 20 minutes a night. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Fowler extended short term assuming his production keeps up because he's been extremely good. We've tried compounding guys who don't fit what we need before with Krug and Faulk - I just don't see a reason to make that mistake again. Byram's going to get paid by someone I don't find much of a reason for it to be us in the short term currently.

 

[toddkaz]

Kyrou for Peterka?

Thoughts?

 

[Dog]

Kyrou for Peterka?

Thoughts?

I would say that be fair but I'm sure someone would want on either side more assets going back.

 

[Giant Panda]

Kyrou for Peterka?

Thoughts?

If you are waiting for the waiter, does that mean you are the waiter? If so, what does the waiter become?

Oh, you mean thoughts about the trade. Meh, maybe. Kyrou is from Toronto, maybe he wouldn't hate being closer to home. But damn, wouldn't that be exactly what the Buffalo Sabres identity is? A play who's highly skilled but isn't built for the playoffs and can be unengaged at times on the ice.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Byram and Peterka for Kyrou and Parayko makes the Blues younger and more skilled, gives the Sabres their stay-at-home RHD and jolt of experience.

 

[Blueswin]

Byram and Peterka for Kyrou and Parayko makes the Blues younger and more skilled, gives the Sabres their stay-at-home RHD and jolt of experience.

Good move for Buffalo not a good move for the Blues on top of the fact the 2 Blues players are better.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Good move for Buffalo not a good move for the Blues on top of the fact the 2 Blues players are better.

At this moment in time, I’d probably agree, but for how long? And we aren’t talking a huge gap.

What do the Blues want to be?

I thought I read somewhere their thinking was to reset with younger players without tanking.

This seems to be exactly that: be hard to acquire that much U25 talent with proven NHL pedigree in a single trade.

 

[westc2]

If Kyrou is traded, it would have to be for an equivalent player. Probably 1 for 1, or close to it. He has a very high value because of his cap hit to production ratio and he's still young.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Byram and Peterka for Kyrou and Parayko makes the Blues younger and more skilled, gives the Sabres their stay-at-home RHD and jolt of experience.

We have similar in house to Byram - We don't have a prayer of replacing what Parayko does. There's little reason to derail the progress we just made with a massive shake up like that for the sake of getting younger. Would be funny though to run out 5 LHD and wonder why our defense is largely worse than it was last year and keep betting on next year - not a good formula.

 

[Satanphonehome]

We have similar in house to Byram - We don't have a prayer of replacing what Parayko does. There's little reason to derail the progress we just made with a massive shake up like that for the sake of getting younger. Would be funny though to run out 5 LHD and wonder why our defense is largely worse than it was last year and keep betting on next year - not a good formula.

Fair enough.

My perception was Faulk, Leddy and Fowler were on the wrong side of the age curve and Byram is exactly what the team needed to take over and run their PP and transition game as those guys fade.

I see him as having a lot in common with a 23-year-old Fowler.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Fair enough.

My perception was Faulk, Leddy and Fowler were on the wrong side of the age curve and Byram is exactly what the team needed to take over and run their PP and transition game as those guys fade.

I see him as having a lot in common with a 23-year-old Fowler.

You aren’t really wrong with any of the assessment. But that would push the Blues timeline back quite a bit while we try and figure out how to formulate out a competitive top 4 for the next 2-3 years.

I think we have a better chance of supplementing the defense along the way than jumping the gun there. Blues found a really good formula when Montgomery came in. If the team didn’t care about taking a major step back next season there’s a pretty good chance that would make sense.

Fowler was incredible last year, Faulks still a top 4 defenseman and Leddy it’s hard to tell due to the injury but he’s been a plus player while with the blues in a role that he’s not really suited for. Just can’t see throwing the next two years out of the window when we have a great cap structure to compete and add to the roster over the next 3 years vs jumping the gun now.

 

[Stealth JD]

Dobson & Pageau

For

Kyrou & …something.

I feel like Kyrou > Dobson solely due to contract status, so something worth a bit less than Pageau (one year from UFA) would need to go back. Sundqvist? Toropchenko? Joseph? Texier? (Have all four, idc)

 

[AlexGretzchenvid]

Doesn't help them down the middle of the ice. Doesn't help them get heavier to play against. I don't see it given the current make up of the team.

I don’t think a 2c is available unless we want to get smaller or we completely overpay for someone. We play Kyrou with Demidov and dach, which should help ALOT.

 

[SirPaste]

Kyrou for Peterka?

Thoughts?

It's been discussed already but really no reason for the Blues to make that move

 

[SirPaste]

Byram and Peterka for Kyrou and Parayko makes the Blues younger and more skilled, gives the Sabres their stay-at-home RHD and jolt of experience.

Come on, this does nothing for St Louis

 

[Memento]

Only way I'm trading Kyrou straight up is if someone like Dobson is coming back. That or a trade for something like Simon Nemec+ or Brandt Clarke+, which, to be fair, I don't expect either Devils fans or Kings fans to go for, understandably.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Only way I'm trading Kyrou straight up is if someone like Dobson is coming back. That or a trade for something like Simon Nemec+ or Brandt Clarke+, which, to be fair, I don't expect either Devils fans or Kings fans to go for, understandably.

That + would need to be rather large - and honestly makes us a lot worse for next season. I don't think this front office is content with making the playoffs and then taking 2 steps back, and I highly doubt the players would be especially if it was at the hands of the front office's doing. As logical as it is in terms of a video game type of trade, professional sports are a business, but they are people businesses. There's alot more blowback for trading your top goal scorer who is 27 for a prospect if the prospect doesn't pan out. Heck it took Pronger being a Hart and a Norris winner in the same season for alot of fans to be ok with the Blues trading Shannahan away and not booing Pronger. That's alot of weight to put on a kids shoulders especially in this day and age where players are more accessible now than ever.

 

[MessierII]

He’s not going anywhere