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OK you keep telling yourself having Jack Campbell over Hutchinson didn't make a difference and won't this yesr
I don't think people fully grasp how many points this team lost because Hutchinson couldn't stop a beachball in his starts. Team should be much better this year with the more balanced roster and having a better one-two punch in net.
 
I don't think people fully grasp how many points this team lost because Hutchinson couldn't stop a beachball in his starts. Team should be much better this year with the more balanced roster and having a better one-two punch in net.
Before Hutchinson won his first game against Detroit on December 21, he had allowed at least 4 goals against in his previous starts up to that point.

In October 2019 his record was 0-3-1 with a .885 SV% and a 4.26 GAA.

In November 2019 his record was 0-2-0 with a .885 SV% and a 5.20 GAA.

Michael Hutchinson 2019-20 Splits | Hockey-Reference.com
 
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Kyle Dubas since the official word was Neuvirth was injured.

Unofficially there was reports Neuvirth did not want to sign for a low salary, which is the real reason he got released.

Good.

so we agree that the poor record attributed to Hutchinson is at least partly a result of a decision that didn’t work out by Mr Dubas.
 
Good.

so we agree that the poor record attributed to Hutchinson is at least partly a result of a decision that didn’t work out by Mr Dubas.
How about Mike Babcock who before getting fired would only start Hutchinson on the second night of a back to back, which is the same thing he did the previous season to Garret Sparks.
 
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so we agree that the poor record attributed to Hutchinson is at least partly a result of a decision that didn’t work out by Mr Dubas.
Of course, Dubas is not now nor has he ever been perfect. He will not be perfect in the future either nor will the other 7 billion plus people on the planet.
 
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At least Keefe was willing to change things like starting Hutchinson in the first game of that back to back against Buffalo last season or starting Andersen on back to back nights against Philadelphia and Colorado.

That's what a backup generally is they usually get the 2nd game of a back to back that's the gig Sparks nor Hutchinson could do it, I think Campbell can
 
I don't think people fully grasp how many points this team lost because Hutchinson couldn't stop a beachball in his starts. Team should be much better this year with the more balanced roster and having a better one-two punch in net.
Agreed. Would you say that was Dubas’ greatest failing last season?
 
Agreed. Would you say that was Dubas’ greatest failing last season?

His greatest failing last year, was replacing a bad backup, with a better backup, and then adding a 3rd stringer in Dell?

Noting, Hutch had a 0.914 SV percentage for us the year before, and was around0.906/7 career.. then suddenly became 0.886 and that was on Dubas?
 
His greatest failing last year, was replacing a bad backup, with a better backup, and then adding a 3rd stringer in Dell?

Noting, Hutch had a 0.914 SV percentage for us the year before, and was around0.906/7 career.. then suddenly became 0.886 and that was on Dubas?
:laugh: For sure what I meant.
 
Agreed. Would you say that was Dubas’ greatest failing last season?

No, IMO poor defensive depth was his biggest failing. This team survived Hutch in the regular season. They didn’t survive losing Muzzy in the playoffs/in’s.

Good thing he addressed both
 
No, IMO poor defensive depth was his biggest failing. This team survived Hutch in the regular season. They didn’t survive losing Muzzy in the playoffs/in’s.

Good thing he addressed both

Brodie, Bogo in - Barrie, Ceci out. Unless you think Lehtonen is good defensive depth or Sandin/Lily are ready to make the jump, not sure why you think he addressed defensive depth. We might still be in a pickle if Muzzin goes down.
 
Well, signing JohnTavares by choice and not moving any one of Nylander, Marner or Matthews pretty much loads you up front with little room to play on D.

It was more the Marleau and Zaitsev contracts that impacted those.

6 million for a 4th liner(in his 3rd year) and 4.5 million for a 3rd pairing dman.

That's horrible value.
 
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When I think how well this team came flying out of the gate in 2017, scoring goals at will and seeing where we are today
We're still scoring goals at will. The difference is now we actually have defense.
Hard to win when we are spending most in league on our forward group at over 53M CAP and only Jets and Caps are really in our ballpark.
That's not true. Tampa (you know, that team that just won the cup) spends the most on their forward group, and there are about 6-7 teams near us. This despite the fact that we just signed multiple franchise forwards over the last couple years. There is nothing unusual about our positional cap distribution, and unlike some teams, we actually get elite scoring from that spending.
Defense and tending win over a 100+ years of pro hockey.
Offense and goaltending have actually proven to be most important.
The name of the game is winning and it's hard to escape the conclusion that they were doing more winning under the previous GM.
Except they weren't. The only thing they were winning more of was shootouts.
The Keefe Leafs were allowed to free wheel while Babs tried to teach the kids what it takes to win in the playoffs.
This is not even close to true. We were better at pretty much everything under Keefe. If anything, Babcock sabotaged our playoffs with stupid decisions and a highly questionable system.
Dubas and Keefe's strategy is to clearly offence so I would hope that they score more goals per game over a season over a Babs' coached team.
There is no basis to claim that Dubas and Keefe's strategy is "to clearly offense". Unlike Lou, Dubas has actually addressed the defense quite significantly. Unlike Babcock, Keefe actually got good defensive results.
Question is, can that strategy work in the playoffs? So far, the answer is no.
Yeah, it's not like the best offensive team in the league just won the cup or something... oh wait.
Sparks over McBackup smelled bad. Learning on the job (i.e. toughness and leadership) was also not a good look. "We can and we will" and telling Nylander he would not trade him while he is GM left a scar.
-He made the logical choice for backup goalie, that every GM would have made. Neither would have played anywhere close to the 2017-2018 McBackup Vezina level. We now have a better backup than either of them.
-Dubas has always valued leadership and toughness.
-He could and he did sign everybody, despite difficult negotiations.
-Telling Nylander we had no plans to trade him helped him feel comfortable signing long-term, and everybody involved knows plans can change over time. Dubas is not limited by anything.
trade one of the best contracts in the league
Kadri was not "one of the best contracts in the league"...
2. The "new coach high" is a real thing.
There's really no evidence this is true. It's just something you've arbitrarily come up with, so you can exclude when the team was actually relatively healthy and completely dominated.
Once we eliminate that, and start at, say... January 1st to the rest of the year.
Ah yes, I'm sure there's no reason you're starting at the point that our team got decimated by injury, and Andersen fell off a cliff...
 
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Agreed. Would you say that was Dubas’ greatest failing last season?

100%

His greatest failing last year, was replacing a bad backup, with a better backup, and then adding a 3rd stringer in Dell?

Noting, Hutch had a 0.914 SV percentage for us the year before, and was around0.906/7 career.. then suddenly became 0.886 and that was on Dubas?

The greatest failing was how long it took to replace a bad backup. The Leafs traded for Campbell on February 6th, after Hutchinson went 4-9-1 and cost us a whole load of points. There was nothing wrong with deciding to go into the season with Hutchinson, if I recall most of us expected him to be steady, since he was pretty solid for us the year prior. But we probably would have had 5 or 6 more points in the standings if Dubas had made a move in say, early December, when it became clear that Hutchinson was terrible. Dubas ultimately made the right move and got who we hope is a long term answer in Campbell, which is to his credit. But the delay also cost us points.

Honestly, if you ask me, it's a pretty big endorsement of a GM's year if the biggest failing you can find is that he waited two months too long to trade for a backup goalie.
 
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We're still scoring goals at will. The difference is now we actually have defense.

That's not true. Tampa (you know, that team that just won the cup) spends the most on their forward group, and there are about 6-7 teams near us. This despite the fact that we just signed multiple franchise forwards over the last couple years. There is nothing unusual about our positional cap distribution, and unlike some teams, we actually get elite scoring from that spending.

Offense and goaltending have actually proven to be most important.

Except they weren't. The only thing they were winning more of was shootouts.

This is not even close to true. We were better at pretty much everything under Keefe. If anything, Babcock sabotaged our playoffs with stupid decisions and a highly questionable system.

There is no basis to claim that Dubas and Keefe's strategy is "to clearly offense". Unlike Lou, Dubas has actually addressed the defense quite significantly. Unlike Babcock, Keefe actually got good defensive results.

Yeah, it's not like the best offensive team in the league just won the cup or something... oh wait.

-He made the logical choice for backup goalie, that every GM would have made. Neither would have played anywhere close to the 2017-2018 McBackup Vezina level. We now have a better backup than either of them.
-Dubas has always valued leadership and toughness.
-He could and he did sign everybody, despite difficult negotiations.
-Telling Nylander we had no plans to trade him helped him feel comfortable signing long-term, and everybody involved knows plans can change over time. Dubas is not limited by anything.

Kadri was not "one of the best contracts in the league"...

There's really no evidence this is true. It's just something you've arbitrarily come up with, so you can exclude when the team was actually relatively healthy and completely dominated.

Ah yes, I'm sure there's no reason you're starting at the point that our team got decimated by injury, and Andersen fell off a cliff...

You want to compare Tampa's D, Goaltending and added grit at the TDL to the Leafs ?? Perhaps that also had something to do with them winning? Even so, it has yet to work for Dubas and Shanny because he does not have or can fit a Hedman, McDounagh, Sergechev, Cernak on D under the cap.
 
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You want to compare Tampa's D, Goaltending and added grit at the TDL to the Leafs ??
Tampa's best attribute was offense. That seemed to be all that mattered when you went around falsely labelling the Leafs.
Even so, it has yet to work for Dubas and Shanny.
You were talking about Dubas/Keefe, and they've had a grand total of 5 playoff games, against the best defensive team in the league, and a goalie playing out of his mind. They barely lost. A little premature to be drawing conclusions.
he does not have or can fit a Hedman, McDounagh, Sergechev, Cernak on D under the cap.
That didn't cost them as much last year as you seem to think. Tampa's defensive results are attainable.
 
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