Kucherov started off where he finished on top after being robbed of the Hart

sillystring

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Im curious what this is referencing? A different year than last year?

Below is the comparison, but going off this, I dont see the massive difference in secondary points or even a majority for MacKinnon alone earning him a nickname.

Last season:

MacKinnon
Overall Goals: 52
Overall Primary assists: 50
Overall Secondary assists: 39
Overall Primary assists + goals: 72.34%
Even Strength Goals: 41
Even Strength Primary assists: 31
Even Strength Secondary assists: 20
Even Strength Primary assists + goals: 78.26%
PP Goals: 11
PP Primary assists: 19
PP Secondary assists: 19
PP primary assists + goals: 61.22%
Empty Net Goals: 3
Empty Net Assists: 5
Empty Net points: 8
Overtime goals: 2
Attempts Blocked: 166
Missed Shots: 121
Missed wide: 93
Missed over: 13
Posts: 11
Crossbars: 2
Short: 2
Giveaways: 82
Takeaways: 42

Kucherov
Overall Goals: 42
Overall Primary assists: 57
Overall Secondary assists: 34
Overall Primary assists + goals: 74.44%
Even Strength Goals: 30
Even Strength Primary assists: 36
Even Strength Secondary assists: 19
Even Strength Primary assists + goals: 77.65%
PP Goals: 12
PP Primary assists: 21
PP Secondary assists: 15
PP primary assists + goals: 68.75%
Empty Net Goals: 7
Empty Net Assists: 7
Empty Net points: 14
Overtime goals: 1
Attempts Blocked: 177
Missed Shots: 152
Missed wide: 121
Missed over: 12
Posts: 7
Crossbars: 2
Short: 10
Giveaways: 96
Takeaways: 62


Overall Goals: MacKinnon
Overall Primary assists: Kucherov
Overall Secondary assists: Kucherov (less)
Overall Primary assists + goals: Kucherov
Even Strength Goals: MacKinnon
Even Strength Primary assists: Kucherov
Even Strength Secondary assists: MacKinnon (less)
Even Strength Primary assists + goals: MacKinnon
PP Goals: Kucherov
PP Primary assists: MacKinnon
PP Secondary assists: Tied
PP primary assists + goals: Kucherov
Empty Net Goals: MacKinnon (less)
Empty Net Assists: MacKinnon (less)
Empty Net points: MacKinnon (less)
Overtime goals: MacKinnon
Attempts Blocked: Kucherov
Missed Shots: MacKinnon (less)
Missed wide: MacKinnon (less)
Missed over: Kucherov (less)
Posts: MacKinnon
Crossbars: Tied
Short: MacKinnon
Giveaways: MacKinnon (less)
Takeaways: Kucherov
Where did you get these numbers from? Didn't MacKinnon have 51 goals last year? and how is Kucherov's compined primary and secondary assists only 91 and missing two goals.
 

Ducati Boy

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Good ole' Covid Cup talk rearing its head again. Damn straight bro.
Here's five reasons why those cups were cheap and don't really count:

1. Tampa assembled their best ever team just as COVID hit. Coincidence? I think not.
2. Other teams didn't care as much about winning the COVID Cup because they knew it was Mickey Mouse. Evidence? Well, they didn't win it, did they?
3. To win the Stanley Cup in any season you have to 1) Qualify for the playoffs 2) Win four series of best of sevens against the other teams that advanced. Sure, Tampa did that... but COVID.
4. COVID favoured Tampa. The outcome shows that Tampa somehow thrived most in that environment so they must have had an advantage.
5. If there had been no COVID something else might have happened. So, we can logically surmise that COVID likely allowed Tampa to win.

BTW- Everything else that happened during the COVID seasons was legit -- scoring leaders, award winners, game stats, and so on. But the Stanley Cup? Nah. There was a disease out there in the public, so in that case, winning that trophy doesn't really count.
 
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benfranklin

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Jun 29, 2024
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Where did you get these numbers from? Didn't MacKinnon have 51 goals last year? and how is Kucherov's compined primary and secondary assists only 91 and missing two goals.
You're right. They are off by a smidge for each. Not really sure why and other players are the same.


I dont have the patience to double check it all for accuracy, but assuming the primary/secondary is correct or even 1-2 off for whatever reason, it hardly warrants MacKinnon earning a "secondary" nickname.
 

benfranklin

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Jun 29, 2024
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Good ole' Covid Cup talk rearing its head again. Damn straight bro.
Here's five reasons why those cups were cheap and don't really count:

1. Tampa assembled their best ever team just as COVID hit. Coincidence? I think not.
2. Other teams didn't care as much about winning the COVID Cup because they knew it was Mickey Mouse. Evidence? Well, they didn't win it, did they?
3. To win the Stanley Cup in any season you have to 1) Qualify for the playoffs 2) Win four series of best of sevens against the other teams that advanced. Sure, Tampa did that... but COVID.
4. COVID favoured Tampa. The outcome shows that Tampa somehow thrived most in that environment so they must have had an advantage.
5. If there had been no COVID something else might have happened. So, we can logically surmise that COVID likely allowed Tampa to win.

BTW- Everything else that happened during the COVID seasons was legit -- scoring leaders, award winners, game stats, and so on. But the Stanley Cup? Nah. There was a disease out there in the public, so in that case, winning that trophy doesn't really count.
1. I dont even know what youre arguing here. The fact that a lot of Tampa players happen to be in their prime in that specific year? That their cap situation was at its best in that specific year? What does that have to do with Covid. They may have won the Cup in a normal 2020 too.
2. Its not that they didnt care, but yes some players opted out of the bubble. A lot was off that year. Hell Montreal, who literally won the lottery the next year, made the finals. Politically and if you want to say scientifically, Florida was in a much better situation than a lot of other states and especially Canada to train for the Bubble Cup.
3. They did and they won the next year too. No one is taking that away from them, but a lot of people dont consider them on par with a normal season because it simply wasnt. Its not Tampa's fault.
4. Id argue Toronto with that awful Canadian division, but like Toronto does, they shit the bed. You can make the same argument for Dallas, Nashville, Florida, etc etc. Acting like being in a lenient state where teams/players can train like normal is an advantage where Canada was triple masked up staying inside.
5. Youre making it a Tampa thing where it was a league wide thing

If Colorado won in 2020, 2021, and 2022 I'd be saying 2022 was the "real" one. Its not Tampa's fault for winning nor the circumstances of the world, but those Cups in my eyes no matter who won would never be on par with a normal season.
 

GreeningOil

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Kucherov is the best forward behind McDavid the way I see it.

But Anze Kopitar would shut both of them down while scoring a game winner on top of that the way he’s playing right now.

Doughty is going to come back stronger than ever. I think the Kings might be the dark horse pick no one’s talking about
Kopitar will lose during or before the 1st round
 

crowfish

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The only robbery was that of the Art Ross trophy, when the empty net merchant stole it from Nathan MacKinnon.
 

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