Yup. If Chia deals Russell before the third year of the deal starts it's an absolute win.
No matter what angry types claim about a deal that wasn't on the table last off-season.
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Yup. If Chia deals Russell before the third year of the deal starts it's an absolute win.
No matter what angry types claim about a deal that wasn't on the table last off-season.
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Wow...didnt know that. I wouldnt have given 2- 1sts but 2 - 2nds and first is good value IMO.
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Given how low we'd likely be drafting it's negligible. They're basically seconds after that point and I certainly would've done the deal Calgary did. No question.
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Light a candle for Andrej tonight. Not bad enough he tore his knee apart, now he has to carry Kris Russell for the next 4 seasons. When we got Sekera we hoped hed be a top pairing D. A bit of a rough 1st year but bounced back near the end. Then this year he looked good (with Russell), but his stats away from Russell show a VERY good D. Itll always be a question of what could have been with Sekera. While hes still solid, with a good RHD partner he could be great full time. Dude was a 58% possession player away from Russell, thats top pairing numbers and more
This graphic might be too scray for children too see but its important that it gets out there. Murder is not ok and Russell murdering Sekera needs to be discussed
This graphic might be too scray for children too see but its important that it gets out there. Murder is not ok and Russell murdering Sekera needs to be discussed
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Yamamoto+1st for shored up RD @ less than 10M combined... I would have taken that.
The reported interest in Markov has given me some hope. He would be great here on a 1yr deal.
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I will take that til Sekera is back
I'm not really familiar with how dangerous Fenwick is calculated are they all even atrenth stats? If not Sekera played a lot on the powerplay.Light a candle for Andrej tonight. Not bad enough he tore his knee apart, now he has to carry Kris Russell for the next 4 seasons. When we got Sekera we hoped hed be a top pairing D. A bit of a rough 1st year but bounced back near the end. Then this year he looked good (with Russell), but his stats away from Russell show a VERY good D. Itll always be a question of what could have been with Sekera. While hes still solid, with a good RHD partner he could be great full time. Dude was a 58% possession player away from Russell, thats top pairing numbers and more
This graphic might be too scray for children too see but its important that it gets out there. Murder is not ok and Russell murdering Sekera needs to be discussed
On another note Hamonic career pt/g 0.33 Russell's 0.30 just heard this on the radio. I am not arguing Hamonic is not the better defensemen but is he worth 1st and 2 2nds especially with how bare the Oilers prospect pool is?
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Did you happen to check the context of when Russell and Sekera were apart? I sure hope Sekera has better numbers getting 40% OZFO starts with McDavid than Russell getting 40% DZFO starts with RNH.
Those charts also forgot to mention that Russell and Sekera basically had the same GA/60 when apart even with Russell having a far lower ONSV%.
Yes, Russell is a Corsi nightmare, but at this point we have enough of a sample size to see that even though he is, he allows few goals while doing it.
This is why the faux advanced stats experts hate the guy. He excels defensively even though the Corsi says he shouldn't.
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Bad defenseman, worse contract. Wish they never signed him at all last year.
As the guy who came up with hd theory and player situational means and ranges more than 10 years ago.
Fullhd defence theory relates to 2 defensive factors.
1. Shot density. Corsi x,y, ricki,sbox now called home plate 10 years later.
You want dmen in the top 60 hd defence.
Keeping corsi as far away as possible.
2. Shot supresion.
Corsi for and corsi againstis a product of forwards and off dmen chasing offence.
Corsi volume has zero measure related to dmen. Its is just the baseline you start def dman analysis from.
You want elite shot supression dmen who block, cause misses and have high closed shot (0 % chance of going in) rates.
They can have a greater affect than hd dmen.
You want these dmen to perform at elite levels for as high a % of thier EVTOI.
The 2 best in the game.
1. Dehaan
2. Russell
Old school and analytics who go against each other are morons.
Russel,s affect is clearly defined by me 10 years ago.
MSM likes to hold him up as proof of analytics failing.
Sorry MSM you Mathaphobic biggots and hate mongers are to stupid to understand.
When these guys pair with elite hd dmen they get elite def pair results.
Russel - Larsson (1st comp) 1.83 EVGA60
You want to talk bad, lets talk Nurse and Hamilton.
Woodguy and Gmoney argued against hd theory for years before i was finally able to convince them to be disciples of my hd theory.
Dangerous fenwick for % is a very useless stat.
Cause it does not include key shot supression factors such as forced misses and closed hole shots which can account for 70 to 80% of shot supression affect.
It is a partial representation of hd and supression theory and shows a parrallel trend to the real results not achieved cause of the ommision of a majority of the critical data.
Some of the leading analytics schools understand that almost all the hockey analytics out thier is useless cause they do not exclude zero value data.
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Mcdnicks:
When desjardins came out with comp, team and zone start 12 years ago.
I started generating situational means basedon
Upper, mid lower 1st , 2nd, 3rd , 4th comp 12 groups
Upper, mid, lower, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th team 12 groups
8 std dev. Space for zone start.
12x12x8
1152 situations.
Since reduced to upper, lower
8x8x8
512
You can come up with means and ranges for each group.
Rob Volman later copied and created a bastardized 2 axis version of situational means.
It exclusion of one axis provides a incorrect result for player usage as he called it.
But it is mot the full usage.
Therefore a half truth.
I am actually going to buy Vollman,s shot start book to see how much of my theory he publishes without referencing me an lowetides blog as a source.
Cause he is involved in a hockey analytics program through an accredited Univ.
As such he must list all sources or face major institutional punishment.
Altough he sounds like a decent guy when i listen to him on sportsnet Calgary.
When desjardins came out with comp, team and zone start 12 years ago.
I started generating situational means basedon
Upper, mid lower 1st , 2nd, 3rd , 4th comp 12 groups
Upper, mid, lower, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th team 12 groups
8 std dev. Space for zone start.
12x12x8
1152 situations.
Since reduced to upper, lower
8x8x8
512
You can come up with means and ranges for each group.
Rob Volman later copied and created a bastardized 2 axis version of situational means.
It exclusion of one axis provides a incorrect result for player usage as he called it.
But it is mot the full usage.
Therefore a half truth.
I am actually going to buy Vollman,s shot start book to see how much of my theory he publishes without referencing me an lowetides blog as a source.
Cause he is involved in a hockey analytics program through an accredited Univ.
As such he must list all sources or face major institutional punishment.
Altough he sounds like a decent guy when i listen to him on sportsnet Calgary.
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Think of it this way.
Russel causes a large % of ca to have 0 % chance of going in.
He is one of the 2 best at not having a goalie move to make a save!
Zero chance of going in.
Only the open hole shots require a goalie to have to make a save.
That would be very very very good.
Shot supression analytics says he makes a goalies job one of the easiest in the game when they attack his side.
So teams tend to attack the d partners side.
So thier hd standard dictates hd results.
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Markov has been a very solid dman over the years but I am just not sure how much gas is left in his tank. He is going to be 39 years old this season. I just haven't watched enough of him recently to know how much game he still has.
I think Chiarelli has made his decision already. He likes Russell. I think the plan is to move up Benning until Sekera gets back.
That means that this defence will be handicapped for at least 2-3 months. I think thats a bad gamble and I sincerely hope that Peter is smarter than that.
Capfriendly updated the NMC conditions on Russell's contract:
2019-20, submits a 10 team trade list he can be traded to
2020-21, submits a 15 team trade list he can be traded to
2019-20, submits a 10 team trade list he can be traded to
2020-21, submits a 15 team trade list he can be traded to
Who cares what the perception is. I'd ship him out ASAP. The less of McDavid's prime that we **** away playing with this scrub the better.
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Great signing, great player. He improves our team a huge amount.
Look for him to be more offensive this year.
Look for him to be more offensive this year.
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Light a candle for Andrej tonight. Not bad enough he tore his knee apart, now he has to carry Kris Russell for the next 4 seasons. When we got Sekera we hoped hed be a top pairing D. A bit of a rough 1st year but bounced back near the end. Then this year he looked good (with Russell), but his stats away from Russell show a VERY good D. Itll always be a question of what could have been with Sekera. While hes still solid, with a good RHD partner he could be great full time. Dude was a 58% possession player away from Russell, thats top pairing numbers and more
This graphic might be too scray for children too see but its important that it gets out there. Murder is not ok and Russell murdering Sekera needs to be discussed
Except Sekera's play improved dramatically last year when paired with Russell. And when Russell was paired with one of the kids, he did a bangup job of making them look good.
But hey, enjoy your charts and graphs!
Except Sekera's play improved dramatically last year when paired with Russell. And when Russell was paired with one of the kids, he did a bangup job of making them look good.
But hey, enjoy your charts and graphs!
Lmao what? Everything about your post is wrong and you literally quoted a post that disproves your statement.
Stoneman89
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I'm going to enjoy and appreciate his play on the ice, and what he brings, and what his coach, GM and teamates know that he brings. In the meantime, if you wish, you can stare at the charts and graphs and lament all you want.
Oh okay, so you don't understand what the charts mean then. Cool. You're in for a surprise when he doesn't have Sekera carrying him for the first 3 months of the season.
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Boat anchor pouliot is on this team because the oilers stare at charts. If the charts showed that Russell was awesome sauce you'd be more than happy to say they validate your view of the player.
Pouliot has had one bad year during his tenure with the Oilers, which was last season. Outside of that he's been completely worth his contract.
Stoneman89
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No. He is on this team because past management looked at your fancy charts and decided he was worth a big long contract. And now, we can't get rid of him because of that big long contract and underperformance.
