Player Discussion Krejci's perfect wingers

[JRull86]

Should we worry about how these wingers will do with the center who replaces Krejci after his inevitable injury? Or how they play with a center who is "nursing an injury"?

Sarcasm aside, afraid to admit that Krejci has gone from probably my favorite Bruin to watch to a guy I'd like them to move on from. Just can't deal with the lack of reliability anymore. He's a very skilled guy and was a steal at his drat position, but he is not a $7M player at this point. The Bruins don't have a logical replacement, but for a team looking to build a contending roster for several years, I wouldn't let that stop them from trying to move him. They added yet another rapidly aging, overpaid forward in Backes and I'm just not sure if a team can carry so many players who are aging in dog years.

Bolded is unfortunately true. After Bergeron, Krejci has been my favorite player to watch on the Bruins for ages, but I'm in the same boat as you. If they can find a way to unload him, that would be beneficial IMO.

 

[BMC]

You kidding?

These two are centers and one is slim and other small

Debrusk and senyshen look better beside krejci

My picks are Cehlarik and Senyshen

To play with Krejci next season. Leave pasta on the 1st line

Third line set with kulary backes acciari (best line for game 5-6 imo)

I agree that line was crushing it in games 5 & 6. They should definitely be the third line next season.

As for #46 I just hope he's healthy next season. Yes he needs good wingers but more importantly he needs to be 100%. It is hard to be effective at your job when you are injured or are recovering from injury it really does affect you mentally.

 

[LSCII]

His perfect wingers are guys that the game is surpassing. They're basically dinosaurs. Big, lumbering, physical wings, that play a slow down, half wall, cycle game. It makes no sense to invest in guys like this since the game has evolved to a speed/skill game.

 

[Dr Hook]

His perfect wingers are guys that the game is surpassing. They're basically dinosaurs. Big, lumbering, physical wings, that play a slow down, half wall, cycle game. It makes no sense to invest in guys like this since the game has evolved to a speed/skill game.

Except that it does seem to be cyclical- speed/skill game until a team wins a cup again with grinding, heavy play along the half wall and behind the net. As long as you have decent mobility on the blue line (with the way the game is called and the speed, guys like Pronger, D. Hatcher etc. ARE dinosaurs) that style of play can win. Then watch a bunch of teams switch over and then we'll hear how the small, skilled, speedy guys are not right for the league.

As long as we have DK for the duration, why not get him the players that can make a great line. If they get going and put points up, then who cares how they do it. It is a gamble to be sure, but really they aren't getting much out of him as it is.

That or try to trade him, as has ben suggested.

 

[b in vancouver]

His perfect wingers are guys that the game is surpassing. They're basically dinosaurs. Big, lumbering, physical wings, that play a slow down, half wall, cycle game. It makes no sense to invest in guys like this since the game has evolved to a speed/skill game.

Lonnie, people keep saying this but I just don't see it.
Anaheim's dismantling of Calgary was a great example of this.
Not really one of the eight teams still playing is built on speed.

 

[nhldream]

Not sure who we trade krejci for that makes our team better next year.

 

[chizzler]

Lonnie, people keep saying this but I just don't see it.
Anaheim's dismantling of Calgary was a great example of this.
Not really one of the eight teams still playing is built on speed.

Speed and ability to hit. Of course grinding it out is a must. You still need speed to get into the offensive zone.

 

[b in vancouver]

Except that it does seem to be cyclical- speed/skill game until a team wins a cup again with grinding, heavy play along the half wall and behind the net. As long as you have decent mobility on the blue line (with the way the game is called and the speed, guys like Pronger, D. Hatcher etc. ARE dinosaurs) that style of play can win. Then watch a bunch of teams switch over and then we'll hear how the small, skilled, speedy guys are not right for the league.

As long as we have DK for the duration, why not get him the players that can make a great line. If they get going and put points up, then who cares how they do it. It is a gamble to be sure, but really they aren't getting much out of him as it is.

That or try to trade him, as has ben suggested.

Pronger would still crush the league. You're not talking a about Charlie Huddy. Just because Pronger was tough as nails - don't think he wasn't a powerful skater, great positioning and simply over-powered players in the corner. Sure, he'd probably get a few more penalties now but players just gave up the puck to him as compared to going into the corners. Pronger was like Pietrbngelo - if Pietrbngelo was also one of the toughest dirtiest money-game SOB's in the league.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

I agree that line was crushing it in games 5 & 6. They should definitely be the third line next season.

As for #46 I just hope he's healthy next season. Yes he needs good wingers but more importantly he needs to be 100%. It is hard to be effective at your job when you are injured or are recovering from injury it really does affect you mentally.

Kuraly and Acciari are 4th liners, keep them there, they will be solid. You play them above where they belong, they are going to struggle and will become whipping boys instead of fan faves.

 

[JEM28]

In every world possible it's a bad trade as that player brings so much more to the game that your little stat sheet doesn't show.

So far we have tried to replace him with Backes and Belesky and arguably Hayes combined 13 million, and all are horrid.

C.Millet at best 6 D man... 0 hockey IQ
Kuraly-guy scored 1 OT winner in an empty net and now he's a hero??? No more then a 4th liner.
Frederick- can't comment only time will tell.

It's no secret Edmonton is having success this year. Guys feel confident with Looch on the roster. Having Lucic is like being the smallest kid in class but having your best friend as the toughest kid in class. Your mouth and attitude gets bigger.

Christ even Ottawa pushed us around in the 6 games.

So assuming the Bruins could have Lucic for what Edmonton paid (7rs $42M), you'd prefer Looch at $6m per year cap hit as compared to the assets that were returned in that trade? I believe he also got a big chunk of that (1/2???) up front.

I didn't like the thought of adding him at that cost...he wasn't playing to that level.

As for Edmonton, I'd argue their recent success is more the product of the ridiculous amount of top 3 picks they've had in the last few years coming of age, and finally adding a decent goalie, than it is a result off adding tough guy Lucic to give the others confidence because he's such a tough "best friend" to everyone on the team.

 

[Dr Hook]

Pronger would still crush the league. You're not talking a about Charlie Huddy. Just because Pronger was tough as nails - don't think he wasn't a powerful skater, great positioning and simply over-powered players in the corner. Sure, he'd probably get a few more penalties now but players just gave up the puck to him as compared to going into the corners. Pronger was like Pietrbngelo - if Pietrbngelo was also one of the toughest dirtiest money-game SOB's in the league.

Don't disagree with Pronger as a great player, but no way he clears the crease anymore like he could do in his prime, though I'll admit he might not have been the best example I could have used here. You also wonder how many suspensions he'd be serving these days The Derian Hatcher example still stands, I think, and we could probably name dozens of others who were effective d-men 10+ years ago whose style/skills have been left behind by the changing game. At any rate, I only point it out to say that the heavy game can still be effective (the Ducks vs Calgary example given above was right on) as long as you have mobile d-men that can get back when the puck is turned over.

 

[b in vancouver]

Speed and ability to hit. Of course grinding it out is a must. You still need speed to get into the offensive zone.

Hard to watch Duchene's fall from grace and think the league is built on speed.
Mostly I think it's guys who can control the puck in tight and attack the dirty areas - like Tarasenko. (third St. Louie reference - hmm - I might have to put on some jazz), solid positioning players like a 100 year-old Markov, or players with great timing and power like Burns.

The Ryan Spooner's of the league don't last long.

 

[b in vancouver]

Don't disagree with Pronger as a great player, but no way he clears the crease anymore like he could do in his prime, though I'll admit he might not have been the best example I could have used here. You also wonder how many suspensions he'd be serving these days The Derian Hatcher example still stands, I think, and we could probably name dozens of others who were effective d-men 10+ years ago whose style/skills have been left behind by the changing game. At any rate, I only point it out to say that the heavy game can still be effective (the Ducks vs Calgary example given above was right on) as long as you have mobile d-men that can get back when the puck is turned over.

Luke Schenn is the example you're looking for.

 

[JCRO]

Kuraly and Acciari are 4th liners, keep them there, they will be solid. You play them above where they belong, they are going to struggle and will become whipping boys instead of fan faves.

This^

Yeah that line played well in the two games they were together..

But if you go into the season with that as your third line, you're going to have problems.

They need more big club time. Fourth line is the spot for them IMO.

 

[b in vancouver]

Don't disagree with Pronger as a great player, but no way he clears the crease anymore like he could do in his prime, though I'll admit he might not have been the best example I could have used here. You also wonder how many suspensions he'd be serving these days The Derian Hatcher example still stands, I think, and we could probably name dozens of others who were effective d-men 10+ years ago whose style/skills have been left behind by the changing game. At any rate, I only point it out to say that the heavy game can still be effective (the Ducks vs Calgary example given above was right on) as long as you have mobile d-men that can get back when the puck is turned over.

Hatcher's mobility wasn't that bad. He wasn't plodding. There's a reason why he was able to catch so many players with devastating (often dirty) hits.

Would be interesting to see those guys nowadays. No doubt Pronger would be suspended - a lot - but I wonder if the refs would still just put the whistles away when he was out there like they used to. In his prime he probably could'a been called for a penalty on 9 out of 10 shifts but only got 1. People just gave him breathing room because he was intimidating as hell, had that 1000 yard stare and you just knew he could snap at any second.
I don't think hockey's changed that much.

 

[b in vancouver]

Speed and ability to hit. Of course grinding it out is a must. You still need speed to get into the offensive zone.

guess I'm thinking hockey again after tuning out the last few days.

Honestly, I don't really see that. When you think of the top offensive players in the league or the teams that are scary on offence - it's not really speed. Of course there's McDavid but he's machine-like and has the whole package - Kane, Karlsson, Kessel, maybe Marchand. That's about it.
Most of the rest are build off power and puck control.

 

[Ryan77]

So assuming the Bruins could have Lucic for what Edmonton paid (7rs $42M), you'd prefer Looch at $6m per year cap hit as compared to the assets that were returned in that trade? I believe he also got a big chunk of that (1/2???) up front.

I didn't like the thought of adding him at that cost...he wasn't playing to that level.

As for Edmonton, I'd argue their recent success is more the product of the ridiculous amount of top 3 picks they've had in the last few years coming of age, and finally adding a decent goalie, than it is a result off adding tough guy Lucic to give the others confidence because he's such a tough "best friend" to everyone on the team.

Yes I would 100 percent rather have Lucic at that term. Forget about the assets. If we have Looch signed to that we don't go out and spend on Backes Belesky and prolly don't trade for Hayes. Our core was built onwin three years ago. Those "assets" that are ready ex:kurarly and Miller are not and will not be top players in this league. Frederick is three years away from even seeing what he's worth....

If you wanted "young assets" could have used Reilly smith trade for that.

Man just imagine a line of Lucic Krecji Pasta my god...

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

I want Kovalchuk. No interest in Oshie.

 

[chizzler]

Yes I would 100 percent rather have Lucic at that term. Forget about the assets. If we have Looch signed to that we don't go out and spend on Backes Belesky and prolly don't trade for Hayes. Our core was built onwin three years ago. Those "assets" that are ready ex:kurarly and Miller are not and will not be top players in this league. Frederick is three years away from even seeing what he's worth....

If you wanted "young assets" could have used Reilly smith trade for that.

Man just imagine a line of Lucic Krecji Pasta my god...

Hayes and Lucic have nothing to do with each other. Hayes was never a bruiser or a big team guy. Reilly smith wasn't going to get you more than a pick based on his last season with the Bruins, or did you forget his lack luster play? As much as Kuraly and Frederick are top players, neither is Lucic. Edmonton wins the same amount with or without him.

 

[TheBigBadB]

Two good games together and now we have the best third line in hockey

kulary backes acciari



Lets pump the brakes a bit here. They played well, but don't think this will last over a 82 game season. Only one has scored more than 10 goals in the NHL season. The rest are unknown at this point.

If you can upgrade the third line you do it.

 

[Ryan77]

Hayes and Lucic have nothing to do with each other. Hayes was never a bruiser or a big team guy. Reilly smith wasn't going to get you more than a pick based on his last season with the Bruins, or did you forget his lack luster play? As much as Kuraly and Frederick are top players, neither is Lucic. Edmonton wins the same amount with or without him.

Wrong wrong and wrong

Trade wise as I stated yes Lucic and Hayes aren't related but Hayes was brought in to be a "big body presence" after scoring close to 20 with Florida. Also like I mentioned earlier if you Lucic you don't have backs or Belesky which is a huge positive.

Reily smith may have fetched you a first or a strong prospect. After his first year in Boston a GM for sure would have taken a shot with him.Also I pointed out in my previous post (every Bruin was lackluster that year)

Lucic is a solid player and will have way more impact then kuraly and Fredrick and again you are missing the whole point to my argument

This team was built to win THREE YEARS AGO. They don't have time to wait for prospects to develope who may or may not be NHL ers

 

[Beesfan]

From our organization, I would say Frederic or DeBrusk on the left, and Pastrnak or Senyshyn on the right.

DeBrusk/Krejci/Pastrnak

Frederic/Krejci/Senyshyn

Personally, I really like the idea of Frederic with Krech. Lot of similar qualities to Lucic. Also think his game translates better to wing than JFK.

 

[Gator Mike]

So, the Bruins played 88 games this year.

Without looking, how many of those 88 games would you say "injury-prone", "unreliable" David Krejci played?

 

[PB37]

Two good games together and now we have the best third line in hockey

kulary backes acciari



Lets pump the brakes a bit here. They played well, but don't think this will last over a 82 game season. Only one has scored more than 10 goals in the NHL season. The rest are unknown at this point.

If you can upgrade the third line you do it.

Agreed. Kurlay and Acciari are 4th liners to me. Great energy, good wheels, and play solid board hockey, but I don't know if I want them playing third line minutes over the course of the year based on their body of work to date. I do think they would be perfect candidates for the 4th line.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Agreed. Kurlay and Acciari are 4th liners to me. Great energy, good wheels, and play solid board hockey, but I don't know if I want them playing third line minutes over the course of the year based on their body of work to date. I do think they would be perfect candidates for the 4th line.

Absolutely.

I wouldn't even gift them 4th line spots next year... saying Kuraly is a 3rd liner right now is hilarious.