Confirmed with Link: Kreider replacing Panarin for 2019 All Star Game.

[BKGooner]

Can’t wait to continue the talk about Kreider slowing down soon while he’s lapping Connor mcdavid in the fastest skater contest

Straight aways Kreider can hang with McD. McD will kill him with his crossovers in the corners.

 

[Kovalev27]

Obviously I don’t think Kreider will lap him. But the fact we all know he can hang with him in a race like this should tell you all you need to know about the slowing down argument. Him slowing down would still have him in the upper echelon of skaters in the league. Right now he’s at the top

 

[NYR94]

Bread going to lay on the beach for a week instead of having to go to St. Louis, smart man.

Yeah he'll be on the beach like Valiquette talked about in the postgame last night

 

[Edge]

Honestly, I'm not gonna keep debating the same crap. It's always about asset management, extracting maximum value, blah blah blah. People here couldn't build a hockey team if their life depended on it. I get this place is called "Hockey Futures" but people here are lame. They can't even enjoy a season because all they care about is the next draft and this pipe dream of building this perfect team. Hockey fans are weird, I've never seen a group so infatuated with 17 and 18 year old kids. Kinda creepy.

Okay, well that escalated fast.

You went from debating management approaches to implying posters here are pedophiles...

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I'd love to see Kreider do the speed challenge but there's almost no reason the Rangers would allow him to do it

 

[will1066]

I'd love to see Kreider do the speed challenge but there's almost no reason the Rangers would allow him to do it

Why?

 

[WojtekWolski86]

I'd love to see Kreider do the speed challenge but there's almost no reason the Rangers would allow him to do it

He has to participate in something. I don't see him doing stick handling, shot accuracy, hardest shot, or passing. He could do breakaway competition and do his 1 breakaway move 10 times and score 1/10 times.

 

[Edge]

Almost quietly, Kreider has about battled back to the production level he's established over the previous three years.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Why?

See below

Watch Kreider do the fastest skater and blow a tire and be done for the year.

He has to participate in something. I don't see him doing stick handling, shot accuracy, hardest shot, or passing. He could do breakaway competition and do his 1 breakaway move 10 times and score 1/10 times.

He has to participate in something? I was not aware

 

[CasusBelli]

Straight aways Kreider can hang with McD. McD will kill him with his crossovers in the corners.

Even Larkin outskates CK in my opinion.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Okay, well that escalated fast.

You went from debating management approaches to implying posters here are pedophiles...

Not even debating management approaches. A guy on the team you root for goes to his first allstar game and people's first reaction is, trade value! It's lame, man. Why even watch games? I guess that does make me old.

And I never implied anyone was a pedophile but if you can't admit the fact that people are wildly obsessed with kids in the draft, I don't think you're being honest.

 

[Rongomania]

Embarrassing that they didn't pick Tony instead.

 

[Edge]

Not even debating management approaches. A guy on the team you root for goes to his first allstar game and people's first reaction is, trade value! It's lame, man. Why even watch games? I guess that does make me old.

And I never implied anyone was a pedophile but if you can't admit the fact that people are wildly obsessed with kids in the draft, I don't think you're being honest.

With regards to the allstar game, I think people can more or less look at it one of two ways.

You can be happy that he's an allstar, and lament that he's probably in a different uniform in a few weeks. That feels like kind of a downer.

Or, you can be happy he's an allstar, knowing that the Rangers haven't changed course, and hope that it allows your team to get the best possible return on a decision that is out of your hands and was likely decided six months ago. That at least provides some hope.

As for "admiting" that people like the kids in the draft, I actually acknowledged that in the very first line of my initial response:

"While there is some of that exists for sure.."

And finally, re: the pedophile line, you specifically referred to people's obsession with teenagers as creepy. There's not much room for interpretation there. Either you knew exactly what you were saying, and are trying to back off said comments. Or you really went with a poor choice of words.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

its flimsy, but there is the center/winger reasoning.

Not when the format is 3-on-3

 

[Ghost of jas]

Embarrassing that they didn't pick Tony instead.

They replaced a forward with a forward.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

With regards to the allstar game, I think people can more or less look at it one of two ways.

You can be happy that he's an allstar, and lament that he's probably in a different uniform in a few weeks. That feels like kind of a downer.

Or, you can be happy he's an allstar, knowing that the Rangers haven't changed course, and hope that it allows your team to get the best possible return on a decision that is out of your hands and was likely decided six months ago. That at least provides some hope.

As for "admiting" that people like the kids in the draft, I actually acknowledged that in the very first line of my initial response:

"While there is some of that exists for sure.."

And finally, re: the pedophile line, you specifically referred to people's obsession with teenagers as creepy. There's not much room for interpretation there. Either you knew exactly what you were saying, and are trying to back off said comments. Or you really went with a poor choice of words.

I think it's creepy, I think people are obsessed with prospects for sure. It's all people talk about. The next draft, this kid, that kid. How can you deny that? But I never said they were pedophiles. That's gross.

 

[broadwayblue]

Almost quietly, Kreider has about battled back to the production level he's established over the previous three years.

It seems he always ends up in exactly the same spot regardless of his annual hot and cold streaks. He pretty much is what he is at this point...pretty darn good but not great.

 

[Edge]

It seems he always ends up in exactly the same spot regardless of his annual hot and cold streaks. He pretty much is what he is at this point...pretty darn good but not great.

Agreed, and this was batted around a few pages back.

While his game to game consistency can have some variation, his year over year consistency is pretty solid. Zucc was much the same way, and was also a guy who battled back last year to find himself right on his typical pace as the TDL neared.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

What does this even mean? You're saying there aren't people here who all they care about is next year's draft and the year after and on and on? You have dudes on Twitter twisting themselves into pretzels trying to defend Buch's awful play with advanced stats. And I'm 35 so feel free to kiss my ass.

But I'm right. It's not like I chose a screen name after a crappy marginal player or anything but what do I know.

My response is, I'm right Oscar "borderline NHL Player." Now back to your charts and excel sheets.

Maybe try acting your age

 

[Rongomania]

They replaced a forward with a forward.

Meh

Then Ziba should've gotten it.

Kreider is a lame selection and I've been a fan of his for almost ten years ..

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Maybe try acting your age

 

[Siddi]

Should’ve been Chytil

Or you know, Mika.

 

[Edge]

I think it's creepy, I think people are obsessed with prospects for sure. It's all people talk about. The next draft, this kid, that kid. How can you deny that? But I never said they were pedophiles. That's gross.

I think it can be misguided at times, frustrating at other points, but creepy tends to carry a whole different connotation --- especially in the phrase "I've never seen a group so infatuated with 17 and 18 year old kids. Kinda creepy." So again, if it's a wording thing...eh, I feel like that kind of took in a wrong direction.

But yes, there will always be contingents on here that have good aspects and not so good aspects. You've got the logic crowd, the analytics crowd, the hot takes/reactionary crowd, the crowd that wants to trade everyone for picks, the crowd that loves reclamation projects, the posters who prefer European players, the ones who prefer North American prospects, the anti-establishment crowd, the coach-focused crowd, the trade proposal crowd, jaded crowd, the rose colored glasses crowd, and probably a dozen more different groups.

And people belong to more than one group, at different times, and there's movement between those groups, and tendencies, and yada, yada, yada.

You kind of just learn to surf between the various waves.

 

[NYRangers0723]

It seems he always ends up in exactly the same spot regardless of his annual hot and cold streaks. He pretty much is what he is at this point...pretty darn good but not great

.

I think the problem is fans had insane expectations of Kreider ever since the 2012 playoffs and anything less was considered a disappointment in their eyes. If you look a Kreider objectively you would see a kid we picked 19th overall and had been a top 6 player his whole career basically, is one of if not the best players in front of the net, and has scored a lot of big playoff goals for us. That’s pretty damn good for where we picked him

 

[BKGooner]

Even Larkin outskates CK in my opinion.

At this point anyone can come in second to McDavid at any given AllStar Weekend. It's like when Gartner was in his prime.