Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[EdJovanovski]

This whole situation stemmed from Kravtsov wearing a Bart Simpson hoodie to a team function that was supposed to be business casual. Drury threw his Bart hoodie into the showers and they haven’t seen eye to eye ever since.

 

[Tawnos]

I could be wrong, but I believe he looked at that situation and assumed the spot was his.

And it could have been his with the old saying "your spot to lose" and he lost it.

that said, being dressed down is not the issue, but I would have a problem with a boss that dresses me down in front of my peers. That would be real problem for me. I'm not sure how I would handle that.

You know, time and place for all that and such and such.

Yeah, I've never liked that as an employee and tried never to do it as an employer (eventually... at first, I could be a real dick to employees when I felt it was called for). And there are certainly people who take it personally, even when it isn't. I do think there's a difference in pro sports, though I can't remember hearing about a front office exec doing it... plenty of coaches.

The problem here is that Kravtsov hasn't shown any willingness to change anyone's mind. If Kravtsov had come into this year's camp and worked his tail off, everything would be forgiven from Drury's end.

 

[gravey9]

Everyone is forgetting that it is Drury he has the problem with, not playing in the AHL. He has already said he would play his up from the AHL on another team. Everyone calling him a spoiled brat are missing his real issue here. It's Drury.

And if that is the case, then that speaks volumes to how Drury handles players.

While it's unclear how many volumes it speaks of Drury's handling of players, I do think it's a fair question.

 

[LokiDog]

Guys, you can forget about Kravtsov.

If the current team fails, this generational talent is guaranteed to pull a Fox and force his way to NYR and lead us to the promised land in 18ish years.

 

[smoneil]

I also find it very funny that this organization actually does have a player who's well within his rights to be furious at being sent down, Zac Jones.

Barron was a ppg player last year in the AHL as well. He has less to prove at that level than Krav.

 

[smoneil]

Everyone is forgetting that it is Drury he has the problem with, not playing in the AHL. He has already said he would play his up from the AHL on another team. Everyone calling him a spoiled brat are missing his real issue here. It's Drury.

And if that is the case, then that speaks volumes to how Drury handles players.

1- We aren't forgetting it. We're questioning the veracity of the follow-up claim. Krav has had an issue BOTH times he was sent to the AHL and whined about it after his first experience.

2- If Drury were the issue, why would Krav report for camp? Why not demand a trade at the beginning of the summer, when it would have been easier to make such a trade? Why wait until getting sent down to the AHL (deservedly)?

3- His issue is CLEARLY that he doesn't want to work his way into the league the way everyone else does, and all of this nonsense about Drury being mean to him coming out after the fact is a lame attempt to cover up his entitlement. It makes me see him as MORE of a spoiled brat than anything. Not only is it "not his fault" he didn't make the team, but it's also not his fault how he reacted to not making the team. It's time for him to grow up and accept some accountability. Otherwise, he's going to have a short and undistinguished career. He's Brendl with a bigger familial bank account (and not as much skill).

 

[brakeyawself]

1- We aren't forgetting it. We're questioning the veracity of the follow-up claim. Krav has had an issue BOTH times he was sent to the AHL and whined about it after his first experience.

2- If Drury were the issue, why would Krav report for camp? Why not demand a trade at the beginning of the summer, when it would have been easier to make such a trade? Why wait until getting sent down to the AHL (deservedly)?

3- His issue is CLEARLY that he doesn't want to work his way into the league the way everyone else does, and all of this nonsense about Drury being mean to him coming out after the fact is a lame attempt to cover up his entitlement. It makes me see him as MORE of a spoiled brat than anything. Not only is it "not his fault" he didn't make the team, but it's also not his fault how he reacted to not making the team. It's time for him to grow up and accept some accountability. Otherwise, he's going to have a short and undistinguished career. He's Brendl with a bigger familial bank account (and not as much skill).

1) Rational to question, but not verifiable or determinable in any way.

2) Pure conjecture. He's a 21 year old foreign prospect with about zero leverage. Which leads to further speculation that he was pushed to his "limit" mentally or emotionally by the organization specifically.

3) Pure speculation. Nothing "CLEAR" about it. While it's quite probable that a 21 year old with Kravtsov's past might indeed have some emotional or ego issues, it does not fully explain the situation at hand. Suggesting it is "clear" he wants to take a shortcut is speculative at best. As is the implications regarding his accountability and responsibility.

There have been countless NHL lifers and stars with a giant ego when young who mature out of it, some who don't and still manage long careers. While he has shown some immaturity, this situation by no means is "CLEAR". And a great deal of assumptions need to be made in order to arrive at that conclusion.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Russian Ben Simmons

 

[CasusBelli]

So we talk a lot about Eichel as a target here. What about Dahlin? Hasn’t he “disappointed”? Seems Heiskanen is the golden boy; I’ve even heard some argue that Dahlin regressed. Maybe we combine a LD with Kravtsov (and probably a pick or two) to get Rasmus. He would be a significant upgrade over any LD on our current roster.

 

[Machinehead]

It's not great stuff here but I would have to see more of a sample to condemn Drury as unable to handle players.

I'm not even considering Andersson. He's just not a good player.

 

[brakeyawself]

this is so backwards...nhl teams don't "develop" players. you think they're teaching kids to skate or teaching them how to catch a pass on their backhand? they'll scout and provide feedback before they arrive but thats about it.

by your definition of development the rangers would be among the best in the league, other teams just reap the benefits. also one of the best at identifying talent. nhl teams can screw up by bringing kids to the pros too early where they're in over their head. they can damage a kid by having a poor culture that cultivates the wrong habits. a kid won't be set back by having to wait for his opportunity in the role he wants. vancouver didn't teach jt miller how to play hockey, he just got into a role he didn't get here...because av was to stubborn or stupid to see he was light years better than brad richards. wpg didn't teach pionk anything, he was a good young player here who kept improving there.

kravtsov was handed a 3rd line spot and it was universally acknowledged thoroughly beaten out by gauthier. yea its a tough draw he ended up being in an org one of the best top 6 wingers in the league...dumb luck we get 2 lotto picks behind him with no brainer picks and both play wing. i do think he could have taken kreiders spot at some point this year but he wasn't starting there, and he did nothing to show he should be there to date. seriously you think the rangers screwed up his development? he's a basket case. oh you didn't get your way? tough tits buddy welcome to life. i don't like paying taxes but i do because i live over here in reality.

the kid needs therapy not a pp role. a normal rational person unhappy with whats in front of him and being practical about it would go to the ahl and speak privately to mgmt about wanting to get an opportunity elsewhere. not such a tough sell, not an easy lineup to break into. show you're committed to being here and your ability and probably happens quickly. orrr you know about a week later a top 6 role emerges and all of a sudden you get a chance to show you belong. how anyone can look at this and say the rangers shoulda just put him on the nhl roster to keep him happy is mindblowing. this is now the second time about 5 mins after he got news he didn't like he walked out on his team and flew halfway across the world over it. thats the response of a petulant child. you think that just goes away? yea, but just until the next time he hears something he doesn't want to.

i was as high on him as anyone up through this preseason...but he can kick rocks.

These arguments you put forth make absolutely zero sense. I would go as far as to call them completely fallacious.

Firstly, no my argument suggest the Rangers are indeed terrible at developing players. We are talking about 4 players in about 8 years that are still with the Rangers. The likes of Pionk and Buch and Blackwell, while developed here, are pretty much the extent of those developed and traded away. Players like Miller and Andersson were not developed here, but only showed their actual potential when they left. No matter how you look at it, it's damning of the organization. And we are talking about at most, less than 10 prospects developed successfully. Which, no matter how you look at it, would be one of the absolute worst records in the league. So no, my argument and statements are completely accurate.

Yes, NHL teams do develop players. They develop them at the NHL and AHL level. Chytil is a perfect example. And they develop skills like skating and shooting as well as acclimating players to the NHL level.

Kravtsov has shown no need for further skill development and is NHL ready. Something even the organization realizes as the only excuse they have for sending him down is "conditioning".

I can't begin to understand the mindset that would lead someone to throw a 21 year old under the bus and accuse them of having mental problems or being a "headcase".

Talk about "backwards". The arguments quoted above are "backwards" indeed. But believe what you want to believe.

None of your arguments carry any weight or show any insight into the situation or frankly the NHL and the development of players.

"
nhl teams don't "develop" players. you think they're teaching kids to skate or teaching them how to catch a pass on their backhand? they'll scout and provide feedback before they arrive but thats about it." ---

But this part directly above might be the worst of them all. That argument is so nonsensical it hurts. And it flies in the face of reality. Yes, NHL teams do provide skill coaches for specific player needs, like skating. Bo Horvat worked directly with a skating coach after being drafted and now he's an exceptional skater, a skill developed because of the organization he's with. Chytil, terrible at faceoffs, has been developing his faceoff ability for a couple of years now, at the NHL level. So to suggest NHL organizations don't develop players, don't help them improve things like shooting, skating, passing etc... is completely inaccurate and completely in opposition to reality. I don't even know where to begin if that's what you actually believe. I would suggest perhaps reading about hockey or development or at least watching hockey as to better understand why that statement is the furthest thing from the truth.

I'll just leave it at that. Good day.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Russian Ben Simmons

Vitali Kravtsov & Kendall Jenner power couple coming soon

 

[Machinehead]

Hated him because he got overpaid as a UFA by the Rangers, sure. Not sure what was inherently dislikeable about him as a player though.

Why people hated him is not relevant. They hated Brian Boyle for awhile because he was tall.

The point is, @EdJovanovski was legitimately asking, and admitted he was too young, if there's a reverence for Drury.

I think that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[will1066]

It's not great stuff here but I would have to see more of a sample to condemn Drury as unable to handle players.

I'm not even considering Andersson. He's just not a good player.

Gravey9 makes a good observation that Kravtsov was also sent down in the K. His sample size is more ample than Drury's. It seems Kravtsov's issues with authority are not exclusive to North America.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Gallant to Kravtsov: what? You think I actually WANT to play Hunt?

Gallant: Vee, we’re Bros - I’d never let a grinder Hunt get between us, especially not Dry Hunt

 

[leetch99]

Yes they are totally comparable. The only differences are:
Lindros was the #1 pick expected to be a superstar.
Lindros was a mountain of a 19 year old kid at 6-4 235 and in phenomenal shape.
Lindros clearly earned his spot on Philly.
Lindros 27 points in his first 20 games while Krav scored 4 points in his first 20 games
Otherwise they are exactly the same.

Only concussion problems kept Lindros from likely being one of the top 5 NHL players EVER ! He was indeed that good !!! Kind of a joke comparing him to Kravs the quitter .

 

[EdJovanovski]

Gravey9 makes a good observation that Kravtsov was also sent down in the K. His sample size is more ample than Drury's. It seems Kravtsov's issues with authority are not exclusive to North America.

He was not sent down, he played a couple games there during a KHL break.

 

[will1066]

He was not sent down, he played a couple games there during a KHL break.

Well, yes, that's true, but he definitely did have some issues there. He had games with limited minutes, and I think that was his second trip to the VHL, that time to get extra games in, not the first time.

 

[will1066]

Why people hated him is not relevant. They hated Brian Boyle for awhile because he was tall.

The point is, @EdJovanovski was legitimately asking, and admitted he was too young, if there's a reverence for Drury.

I think that couldn't be further from the truth.

I think a lot the fanbase wanted Drury here as an FA initially, after he and Briere terrorized the league in Buffalo. He was seen as a gamer to lift up the compete level of the team that was around at the time.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I also find it very funny that this organization actually does have a player who's well within his rights to be furious at being sent down, Zac Jones.

He took it well; too well .

Because in this Hfers opinion he was screwed.

 

[will1066]

Also, you can bet your ass Ribol Hakej is leveraging this Kravtsov situation. "I've gone to the A anytime you've wanted me to. I've mopped floors, kept the taxi squad company, trimmed Lindgren's pube-beard when he was incapacitated in a full-body cast."

 

[gravey9]

He was not sent down, he played a couple games there during a KHL break.

That's not accurate. His demotion to the V was the circumstance that got him back to HFD. The Rangers rescued him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That's not accurate. His demotion to the V was the circumstance that got him back to HFD. The Rangers rescued him.

It still happened during the international break.

 

[leetch99]

I don't buy that story about Gallant reaching out to Kravs . IMO it would undermine any Drury GM decision and only create another problem . That might work at the amateur levels but definitely not the way an NHL team would function....even the Rangers !!! Unless they specifically reveal the source of that tidbit of info on the ph call....I call BS . If nothing else....the phone call would come from Drury before Gallant .

 

[pld459666]

Yeah, I've never liked that as an employee and tried never to do it as an employer (eventually... at first, I could be a real dick to employees when I felt it was called for). And there are certainly people who take it personally, even when it isn't. I do think there's a difference in pro sports, though I can't remember hearing about a front office exec doing it... plenty of coaches.

The problem here is that Kravtsov hasn't shown any willingness to change anyone's mind. If Kravtsov had come into this year's camp and worked his tail off, everything would be forgiven from Drury's end.

A true comedy of errors all around