Kraken 2024 Offseason chatter

[RainyCityHockey]

I see him signing Skinner or Duclair maybe. And then see if he can swing a trade for Laine though I expect we get outbid there.

I heard our name in the Necas conversation but I can’t see Francis giving up what will be required.

Duclair would actually make sense given his strengths.

Like you've said, there's no way he's paying for Necas what Carolina seems to be asking for.

Laine, I do feel, there is a chance but I'm not sure he gets it done.

My prediction would be something like Duclair or Toffoli + a Teravainen type of player.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

I think this discussion fits better in the offseason thread.

Or he doesn't want to be giving too much assets away. We have no idea what the conversation was between Seattle and other teams.

Part of the problem is that this sounds exactly what it sounded like in Carolina and why first Canes fans and then management grew tired of him and replaced him.

He never risked anything in 'Carolina, never made any trades(of notice) cause he seemed afraid to lose a trade.

Unless he's able to change at least a bit of that and get some stuff done he'll face the same fate in Seattle.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I think this discussion fits better in the offseason thread.



Part of the problem is that this sounds exactly what it sounded like in Carolina and why first Canes fans and then management grew tired of him and replaced him.

He never risked anything in 'Carolina, never made any trades(of notice) cause he seemed afraid to lose a trade.

Unless he's able to change at least a bit of that and get some stuff done he'll face the same fate in Seattle.

Yeah. And I have a feeling the owners here are not going to be that patient. Especially with all the NBA talk.

The reason he is a GM is to figure out how to make things work. Saying we could not find a good partner when other teams are able to just sounds like an excuse. That is what his job is.

 

[majormajor]

I've been neutral on Laine. I presented the case for him but I haven't been fully in favor.

But I'm starting to run out of ideas for what else we can do to inject hope into the lineup. We need someone who can help short term who isn't yet another older player, and actually has a chance to grow with the team in the long run and be part of the future core.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I've been neutral on Laine. I presented the case for him but I haven't been fully in favor.

But I'm starting to run out of ideas for what else we can do to inject hope into the lineup. We need someone who can help short term who isn't yet another older player, and actually has a chance to grow with the team in the long run and be part of the future core.

No idea here either to be honest. I am genuinely curious if Francis struggles to find a match because of his expectations in trades.

My guess is Francis is looking at forwards like:

Jake DeBrusk
Jonathan Marchessault
Jonathan Drouin
Tyler Toffoli
Sean Monahan
Vlad Tarasenko
Tuevo Terravainen
Tyler Bertuzzi
Max Domi
Anthony Duclair
Viktor Arvidsson
Chandler Stephenson

The forward UFA crop is not bad but neither of these players scream game changer. But I would love to take a chance on Arvidsson on a 2-3 year contract and one of these other players if he cannot swing for a bigger player like Necas, Zegras, Laine, etc. in a trade.

The biggest issue for us is we are handicapped by the NTC's. A lot of those players are upgrades on Schwartz, Tanev, Eberle but it is hard to make spots for them unless we can somehow move them.

 

[Fuhrious]

No idea here either to be honest. I am genuinely curious if Francis struggles to find a match because of his expectations in trades.

My guess is Francis is looking at forwards like:

Jake DeBrusk
Jonathan Marchessault
Jonathan Drouin
Tyler Toffoli
Sean Monahan
Vlad Tarasenko
Tuevo Terravainen
Tyler Bertuzzi
Max Domi
Anthony Duclair
Viktor Arvidsson
Chandler Stephenson

The forward UFA crop is not bad but neither of these players scream game changer. But I would love to take a chance on Arvidsson on a 2-3 year contract and one of these other players if he cannot swing for a bigger player like Necas, Zegras, Laine, etc. in a trade.

The biggest issue for us is we are handicapped by the NTC's. A lot of those players are upgrades on Schwartz, Tanev, Eberle but it is hard to make spots for them unless we can somehow move them.

That list is fookin depressing…

 

[majormajor]

The biggest issue for us is we are handicapped by the NTC's. A lot of those players are upgrades on Schwartz, Tanev, Eberle but it is hard to make spots for them unless we can somehow move them.

Making spots is not a huge concern for me. There's a good chance that one or two of our guys will be on IR by game 1. It almost feels likely with Schwartz, Tanev, and Burakovsky.

That's just normal, for any club. If by chance we're fully healthy at some point in the season, we can deal with it then.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

That list is fookin depressing…

Yeah, its not great but not too bad. I'm thinking out of the box here, but try to move Tanev out to create some cap space. Consider buying out Schwartz. Can also try to move Gourde out.

McCann-Beniers-Bjorkstrand
Arvidsson-Stephenson/Teravainen-Burakovsky
Tolvy-Wright-Eberle
?-Winterton-Kartye

Not groundbreaking, but still a lot better and competitive than what we have.

 

[Fuhrious]

Yeah, its not great but not too bad. I'm thinking out of the box here, but try to move Tanev out to create some cap space. Consider buying out Schwartz. Can also try to move Gourde out.

McCann-Beniers-Bjorkstrand
Arvidsson-Stephenson/Teravainen-Burakovsky
Tolvy-Wright-Eberle
?-Winterton-Kartye

Not groundbreaking, but still a lot better and competitive than what we have.

Know when would have been a sweet time to trade guys like Tanev or Gourde?

...the Draft.

(not trying to be a dick to you FFOB, just...gdi Francis)

 

[Fuhrious]

I think it was Sound of Hockey that did an article about “how much can they improve?” recently and targeted Jake DeBrusk as a 1RW, to which I similarly thought “damn that’s depressing”…

I feel like at some point last season I was slumming it lurking in the VGK subforum and they were absolutely DRAGGING Stephenson. Might be some fleas on that one?

 

[The Marquis]

Remember there was a point where we were shocked an awe’d by the trade that landed us Bjorkstrand. Let hope for something similar to happen again.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Not sure GMFrancis is going to make many moves...I for one would like the PP2 unit improved can we get Daniel Sprung back please

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Know when would have been a sweet time to trade guys like Tanev or Gourde?

...the Draft.

(not trying to be a dick to you FFOB, just...gdi Francis)

I think the time to move Gourde was the trading deadline giving teams two playoff runs with him.
That probably had a chance to get you a first round pick which now is most likely gone and poor asset management of Francis.

Tanev I don't thik has any "sweet time" to be traded.
We'll be lucky to get anything positive for him no matter if we would've traded him at the draft or some time between now and August.

I think it was Sound of Hockey that did an article about “how much can they improve?” recently and targeted Jake DeBrusk as a 1RW, to which I similarly thought “damn that’s depressing”…

I feel like at some point last season I was slumming it lurking in the VGK subforum and they were absolutely DRAGGING Stephenson. Might be some fleas on that one?

Well, that's free agency.

There's not much out there and basically every model ever made about free agents and their performance after signing their deal shows you that you shouldn't go big in free agency.

I really hope Francis can make a trade or two and doesn't hand out another 5x5 ish contract or two.
Those are his worst contracts so far and that's not surprising given what I just wrote about.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Just some interesting stuff from around the league.

It seems like Minnesota's been in talks with Columbus to aquire Laine.

Also, Carolina might keep Necas in case they can't re-sign Guentzel(Tampa Bay?).

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Just some interesting stuff from around the league.

It seems like Minnesota's been in talks with Columbus to aquire Laine.

I think there may be more chatter around Laine once he is out of the PAP and starts talking to teams.

Also, Carolina might keep Necas in case they can't re-sign Guentzel(Tampa Bay?).

Might be likely since the Bolts just traded for Guentzel.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I wouldn't mind us grabbing Boqvist off waivers or even signing him in FA. Promising but has dealt with a lot of injuries. Still worth a shot.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807476162823934319

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807476162823934319

Makes sense. Retain rights while continue negotiating or preparing for a trade.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

I wouldn't mind us grabbing Boqvist off waivers or even signing him in FA. Promising but has dealt with a lot of injuries. Still worth a shot.

I'd rather give Erik Brannstrom a chance.

He won't be quallified by the Senators and still has some upside to his game.

Though, all of those guys would be our #7 defenseman unless we trade one of our guys.

Makes sense. Retain rights while continue negotiating or preparing for a trade.

Shouldn't Beniers receive a qualifying offer as well?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I'd rather give Erik Brannstrom a chance.

He won't be quallified by the Senators and still has some upside to his game.

Yeah. He was another one I was looking at. But like you said, with Cale as 7D and having our 6D already in place, not sure where we would use another D.

Though, all of those guys would be our #7 defenseman unless we trade one of our guys.



Shouldn't Beniers receive a qualifying offer as well?

He is not arbitration eligible, so I think he doesn't need one. But someone with more knowledge could confirm.

 

[Fuhrious]

Glad someone else gave Domi 4 years term and not the Kraken. That’s too long for that dude, imo…

 

[Interior Cascadian]

Glad someone else gave Domi 4 years term and not the Kraken. That’s too long for that dude, imo…

I wouldn’t commit to longer, but 4 years for a 29 year old seems solid to me.

 

[Fuhrious]

I wouldn’t commit to longer, but 4 years for a 29 year old seems solid to me.

A 29 year old? Sure. That specific 29 year old? No thanks.

 

[Fuhrious]

 

[majormajor]

I wouldn't mind us grabbing Boqvist off waivers or even signing him in FA. Promising but has dealt with a lot of injuries. Still worth a shot.

I'd rather give Erik Brannstrom a chance.

He won't be quallified by the Senators and still has some upside to his game.

Though, all of those guys would be our #7 defenseman unless we trade one of our guys.



Shouldn't Beniers receive a qualifying offer as well?

The ex-Jacket that I want Seattle to sign is Alex Nylander. He was actually good with the Jackets, very skilled goal scorer. They just don't have lineup space with all of the talented young players and needed to make space for gritty consistent veterans to complement them. It left Nylander with no spot, even though he was very good.

Of course he wasn't effective in his previous stops so there's no guarantee he'll fit. But a $1m x 1 prove it deal would make a lot of sense. If he doesn't fit you can send him down.

Boqvist has been steadily improving in the last couple years but he's never going to be strong defensively. He's not wired for it or built for it. He'd work as an offensive specialist but I don't think we need one.

Brannstrom I don't know as well but he seems like a very smart player. He moves pucks well and has better defensive smarts than Boqvist. He's just very small. That's more of a team building concept question, do you want guys like that on the backend? Most would say no.

Interestingly there were a lot of short D drafted in 2017 and 2018, when Brannstrom and Boqvist were picked. It was something like thirty of them under six foot. Only about three this year. Teams have figured out that they don't want this player type unless they're #1D.