Value of: Koskinen to Montreal

[Bouboumaster]

So here's the deal; we need to continue the tanking, but Cayden Primeau can't be the sacrificial lamb.
We need a NHL goalie that suck with a contract that won't hurt a so much.

Enter Koskinen.

His contract end at the end of the year, so if we want to continue our suckage, we might be able to resign him for cheap, and if he wants to get out, nobody will be sad about it.

Why Edmonton would do it?
It's 4M+ in cap relief that they can use right now to get some help between the pipes.

2 possible trade:
- Koskinen for futures considerations
Montreal won't pay a single cent for Koskinen alone, let's be real here. He's terrible and this is why I want him. Montreal than send Primeau in the AHL, where he belongs. Edmonton can than start their research for a new goaltender who might help them, and got salary space to try to target a good one.

- Koskinen with cond. 3rd 2022 round pick for Allen. Pick become a 2nd if Oilers makes the playoffs. Allen isn't a good starter but he's a great back-up. He would be solid behind Smith, if Smith can comeback in form. And he can also take the number one spot and do ok for a certain amount of games. He's paid 2.8M (I think) for this year and next year. It's not a long term solution for the Oilers, but it's a band-aid that buy them a bit of time.

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[ManofSteel55]

We aren't taking Allen back. We need a goalie, but we need either 1) a guy on an expiring contract, or 2) a guy who is the long term answer in net for us. Allen is neither. He hamstrings our goaltending for an entire season after this one. Gives us three backups and no starter.

You can have your pick of Smith or Koskinen. Either would fill the need of helping you lose games, but Smith is actually more likely to do so it seems. Koskinen has been streaky, but was playing well until his COVID diagnosis.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

We aren't taking Allen back. We need a goalie, but we need either 1) a guy on an expiring contract, or 2) a guy who is the long term answer in net for us. Allen is neither. He hamstrings our goaltending for an entire season after this one. Gives us three backups and no starter.

You can have your pick of Smith or Koskinen. Either would fill the need of helping you lose games, but Smith is actually more likely to do so it seems. Koskinen has been streaky, but was playing well until his COVID diagnosis.

What about something around
Stolarz
For
koskinen + pick


Anaheim can move stolarz as dostal seems ready for back up, so basically Edmonton gets a cheap back up for this year and next, and frees up cap space for other moves.


Anaheim could also make trade bigger by adding rakell or Manson, not sure what oilers other needs are but I assume playoffs are still on their agenda so they will be buying

 

[ManofSteel55]

What about something around
Stolarz
For
koskinen + pick


Anaheim can move stolarz as dostal seems ready for back up, so basically Edmonton gets a cheap back up for this year and next, and frees up cap space for other moves.


Anaheim could also make trade bigger by adding rakell or Manson

I'd do it, depending on what the pick is. Manson would be an ideal add to the package. Koskinen and a 1st for Manson and Stolarz?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'd do it, depending on what the pick is. Manson would be an ideal add to the package. Koskinen and a 1st for Manson and Stolarz?

I’d prob be on board with that, or at least a good starting area, minor tweaks

 

[ManofSteel55]

I’d prob be on board with that, or at least a good starting area, minor tweaks

We should be GM's or something.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

We should be GM's or something.

I just think Anaheim needs to keep building…. Stolarz is expendable and prob has solid value due to his play + being signed cheap next year also. Dostal and OEE prob deserve to get some nhl looks next year.

playoff would be nice obviously but I don’t think it should dictate our moves at the deadline, have to look bigger picture, we’re not contenders this year unless gibson pulls a 2003 jiggy, we’d prob also need a zegras wjc gold run in the playoffs too

 

[TFHockey]

I'd do it, depending on what the pick is. Manson would be an ideal add to the package. Koskinen and a 1st for Manson and Stolarz?

I personally feel that a 1st is too much to give up here. Also, Manson is on the IR and has M-NTC (12 team no trade) so that is probably a no go. Lastly, Manson is a pending UFA and we have already discussed in previous threads Holland is reluctant to cough up a 1st for a rental. Unless you gauge Stolarz as worthy of a 1st, and I am sure you do not.

 

[Habs10025]

So here's the deal; we need to continue the tanking, but Cayden Primeau can't be the sacrificial lamb.
We need a NHL goalie that suck with a contract that won't hurt a so much.

Enter Koskinen.

His contract end at the end of the year, so if we want to continue our suckage, we might be able to resign him for cheap, and if he wants to get out, nobody will be sad about it.

Why Edmonton would do it?
It's 4M+ in cap relief that they can use right now to get some help between the pipes.

2 possible trade:
- Koskinen for futures considerations
Montreal won't pay a single cent for Koskinen alone, let's be real here. He's terrible and this is why I want him. Montreal than send Primeau in the AHL, where he belongs. Edmonton can than start their research for a new goaltender who might help them, and got salary space to try to target a good one.

- Koskinen with cond. 3rd 2022 round pick for Allen. Pick become a 2nd if Oilers makes the playoffs. Allen isn't a good starter but he's a great back-up. He would be solid behind Smith, if Smith can comeback in form. And he can also take the number one spot and do ok for a certain amount of games. He's paid 2.8M (I think) for this year and next year. It's not a long term solution for the Oilers, but it's a band-aid that buy them a bit of time.

No.

 

[TFHockey]

So here's the deal; we need to continue the tanking, but Cayden Primeau can't be the sacrificial lamb.
We need a NHL goalie that suck with a contract that won't hurt a so much.

Enter Koskinen.

His contract end at the end of the year, so if we want to continue our suckage, we might be able to resign him for cheap, and if he wants to get out, nobody will be sad about it.

Why Edmonton would do it?
It's 4M+ in cap relief that they can use right now to get some help between the pipes.

2 possible trade:
- Koskinen for futures considerations
Montreal won't pay a single cent for Koskinen alone, let's be real here. He's terrible and this is why I want him. Montreal than send Primeau in the AHL, where he belongs. Edmonton can than start their research for a new goaltender who might help them, and got salary space to try to target a good one.

- Koskinen with cond. 3rd 2022 round pick for Allen. Pick become a 2nd if Oilers makes the playoffs. Allen isn't a good starter but he's a great back-up. He would be solid behind Smith, if Smith can comeback in form. And he can also take the number one spot and do ok for a certain amount of games. He's paid 2.8M (I think) for this year and next year. It's not a long term solution for the Oilers, but it's a band-aid that buy them a bit of time.

Allen isn't any better than Koskinen. Their numbers as basically identical this year. Not a great move for the Oilers.

Also, and I always forget to point this out, Koskinen has a M-NTC (15 team no trade list) so he'd probably kybosh a trade to Montreal. That's right, he got a high AAV, term AND a M-NTC from Chiarelli.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Allen isn't any better than Koskinen. Their numbers as basically identical this year. Not a great move for the Oilers.

Also, and I always forget to point this out, Koskinen has a M-NTC (15 team no trade list) so he'd probably kybosh a trade to Montreal. That's right, he got a high AAV, term AND a M-NTC from Chiarelli.

It says much more about Koskinen than Allen, if both have the same numbers. Context: if you don't know, Allen is currently playing on one of the worst team in modern times. In reality, Allen is what Koskinen hope to become one day.
Like I said, he's more of a band-aid than a solution, but this band-aid is sold at the low cost of a 3rd (and he's a solid back up next year) and if he can get you to the playoffs, a 2nd. You'll still have to find a goaltender but you'd be at least "ok" for this year and maybe next year too (depending of Smith)

And if you absolutly don't want nothing to do with Allen, we can still take Koskinen. But it would be for free because Koskinen is the worst starter in the league. He sucks, and that's the whole point of getting him.

 

[Bouboumaster]

No.

Yes

 

[TFHockey]

It says much more about Koskinen than Allen, if both have the same numbers. Context: if you don't know, Allen is currently playing on one of the worst team in modern times. In reality, Allen is what Koskinen hope to become one day.
Like I said, he more of a band-aid than a solution, but this band-aid is sold at the low cost of a 3rd (and he's a solid back up next year) and if he can get you to the playoffs, a 2nd.

And if you absolutly don't want nothing to do with Allen, we can still take Koskinen. But it would be for free because Koskinen is the worst starter in the league. He sucks, and that's the whole point of getting him.

He isn't a starter. That is the problem. He is a capable back up.

The Oilers are leaking chances against (perhaps Woodcraft can fix this, he had a very good system in the AHL) so Allen would get exposed just like Koskinen has.

Not worth sending picks away for Kosk and he'd probably not waive for Montreal anyway. So we're both screwed.

 

[Habs10025]

Yes

Nope.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I personally feel that a 1st is too much to give up here. Also, Manson is on the IR and has M-NTC (12 team no trade) so that is probably a no go. Lastly, Manson is a pending UFA and we have already discussed in previous threads Holland is reluctant to cough up a 1st for a rental. Unless you gauge Stolarz as worthy of a 1st, and I am sure you do not.

Stolarz at his contract (+1 year), prob worth a 3rd. Manson as a rental prob worth a 2nd + 3rd
Koskinen is a negative value… let’s say a 4th to move him.

I feel like Manson might wave with his dad there, may even consider extending

 

[TFHockey]

Stolarz at his contract (+1 year), prob worth a 3rd. Manson as a rental prob worth a 2nd + 3rd
Koskinen is a negative value… let’s say a 4th to move him.

I feel like Manson might wave with his dad there, may even consider extending

So a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th + Kosk for Stolarz and Manson? Seems high. maybe closer is A 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th + Kosk for Manson and Stolarz.

Maybe you're right and he waives? Maybe he does extend too. I dunno.

 

[Mersss]

Habs aren't taking on Koskinen contract and help the Oilers out of their misery unless a 2nd or a B prospect like Lavoir is attached to Koskinen.

Habs can just sign a goalie that's a UFA if they want to league minimum. for the remainder of the season.

 

[Mersss]

Yes

No stop it. Sign a UFA goalie, and put him between the pipes. Hell just sign Dubnyk for league minimum once the Olympics are over or something

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th + Kosk for Stolarz and Manson? Seems high. maybe closer is A 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th + Kosk for Manson and Stolarz.

Maybe you're right and he waives? Maybe he does extend too. I dunno.

Maybe … tho supposedly he wont waive for Toronto so maybe he just doesn’t want to play in Canada and idk if his dad changes that.

oilers I feel like have to be buyers, I feel like it’s almost to that bubbling over point for 1 of Mcdavid or drai

 

[Bouboumaster]

No stop it. Sign a UFA goalie, and put him between the pipes. Hell just sign Dubnyk for league minimum once the Olympics are over or something

That's basically the same thing, other than the fact that Koskinen is maybe worst, which mean better for the tank

 

[TFHockey]

Maybe … tho supposedly he wont waive for Toronto so maybe he just doesn’t want to play in Canada and idk if his dad changes that.

oilers I feel like have to be buyers, I feel like it’s almost to that bubbling over point for 1 of Mcdavid or drai

I think they are buyers because Holland sees them as a playoff team. I don't see them as a threat to win the cup just yet, but in a weak pacific they should make it in.

 

[McFlash97]

Koskinen is better than anything in Montreal right now easy.

 

[Mersss]

That's basically the same thing, other than the fact that Koskinen is maybe worst, which mean better for the tank

There's a HUGE difference here

1- WHY help another team get out of their shit situation whitout gaining a significant asset out of it? Unless Lavoie or another B prospect is attached to Koskinen, Habs have ZERO reason to do it. Just sign Dubnyk, and leave EDM in their msiery.

2- Dubnyk doesn't cost any assets, AND could be a mentor to Primeau. Something Koskinen can't be

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Allen isn't any better than Koskinen. Their numbers as basically identical this year. Not a great move for the Oilers.

Also, and I always forget to point this out, Koskinen has a M-NTC (15 team no trade list) so he'd probably kybosh a trade to Montreal. That's right, he got a high AAV, term AND a M-NTC from Chiarelli.

 

[Canadienna]

Yeah unless the Habs are getting an asset for taking on Koskinens contract I'd rather just sign Dubnyk or some other FA goalie.