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It is bewildering that Keefe and Shanahan, who were both kinda psycho fighters when they played and guys were afraid of them, helped morph this version of the Leafs into polar opposites of tough. Did they both just politely acquiesce to Dubas' vision of four lines of non-violent waterbugs?

It's all too bizarre. Dubas must have sold MLSE on his vision, then they made the decree it shall be Kyle's way.

I think it only changed a bit at this years trade deadline due to Spezza stepping in somehow.

Anyway, the whole thing a spectacular failure. Knies paid with a choke-slam into oblivion.
 
Knies iT said:
Keefe is your prototypical fat high school gym teacher with the motivational skills of an HR rep.

Watch the All or Nothing series. Foligno asks Keefe if he can go Lowry after several dirty hits and Keefe shuts him down. Foligno was perplexed. Guys come here and walk on egg shells.
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'Cause we all know the result of this would be great for the Leafs...

Consider that the management telling players not to do anything aggressive that could be taken as intent to injure might have something to do with trying to avoid Parros' love affair with giving the Leafs over-the-top suspensions?
 
legobeard said:
It still blows my mind how hard Knies worked for the team, and how nobody stood up for him when his head got rock bottomed into the ice by Sam Bennet. The cross checks and dirty plays but Bennet, gudas, and tzitchucker, resulted in 0 leafs dropping the gloves. They all just skated around afraid to get a call.

Part of that falls on keefe. He should have slammed the team in the locker room for not sticking up for his rookie after how hard he worked.

Also gudas screeming in wolls face after the game winner? Someone should have slapped the beard off of his face, something to remember for next year.

Dissapointed in how non confrontational these guys are.
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Been arguing that point here and elsewhere for years. Nothing but a bunch of pansies. Plain and simple. Not a recipe for success in the playoffs. It's a different game. The 3 Panthers ran around doing what they pleased because they know they have nothing to fear. I wish Woll would have taken a suspension for next year and pulled a Billy Smith on Gudas and broke his ankle. How you like that assh*le enjoy the next round. Knies was arguably one of your best forwards and Bennett was not addressed at any point. Spineless bunch. Change the core because it will never change trust me.
 
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theTTC said:
It is bewildering that Keefe and Shanahan, who were both kinda psycho fighters when they played and guys were afraid of them, helped morph this version of the Leafs into polar opposites of tough. Did they both just politely acquiesce to Dubas' vision of four lines of non-violent waterbugs?

It's all too bizarre. Dubas must have sold MLSE on his vision, then they made the decree it shall be Kyle's way.

I think it only changed a bit at this years trade deadline due to Spezza stepping in somehow.

Anyway, the whole thing a spectacular failure. Knies paid with a choke-slam into oblivion.
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I don't think it was Spezza's doing. Dubas showed at the last couple of deadlines he understood the need for sandpaper - Foligno, Lyubushkin, and Schenn, McCabe and O'Reilly this year. Think they should have dressed Simmonds for one game after the Knies injury.
 
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legobeard said:
It still blows my mind how hard Knies worked for the team, and how nobody stood up for him when his head got rock bottomed into the ice by Sam Bennet. The cross checks and dirty plays but Bennet, gudas, and tzitchucker, resulted in 0 leafs dropping the gloves. They all just skated around afraid to get a call.

Part of that falls on keefe. He should have slammed the team in the locker room for not sticking up for his rookie after how hard he worked.

Also gudas screeming in wolls face after the game winner? Someone should have slapped the beard off of his face, something to remember for next year.

Dissapointed in how non confrontational these guys are.
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The whole organizations reeks of non-confrontation. It's not at all surprising. They keep saying "We will let the league handle it" whenever someone gets pummeled and the league almost never does....yet they keep saying it as if they are trying to get in their good graces...that doesn't happen either...so WTF?
 
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Menzinger said:
There probably could have been a more forceful response. But also let's not pretend for a second that the refs/league wouldn't destroy whomever did it with an instigator penalty plus likely supplementary punishment.

It probably would have made things worse if it had happened, all things considered
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I don't agree.

I think the organization just doesn't value that between-the-whistles savvy and ability for teammates to stand up for each other to police the game. Thinks it can burn the opposition on special teams, not realizing that penalties are probably called more frequently in higher event hockey overall.

They also don't seem to realize they can build a team with personnel that actually brings the trouble come playoff time. For the life of me, I don't understand why the Leafs always go into a series trying to weather the storm instead of being the storm.
 
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theTTC said:
It is bewildering that Keefe and Shanahan, who were both kinda psycho fighters when they played and guys were afraid of them, helped morph this version of the Leafs into polar opposites of tough. Did they both just politely acquiesce to Dubas' vision of four lines of non-violent waterbugs?

It's all too bizarre. Dubas must have sold MLSE on his vision, then they made the decree it shall be Kyle's way.

I think it only changed a bit at this years trade deadline due to Spezza stepping in somehow.

Anyway, the whole thing a spectacular failure. Knies paid with a choke-slam into oblivion.
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Keefe wasn't really a psycho fighter by nature though. He was more of a scrappy junior scoring star, a little like a Nick Robertson meets Michael Bunting.
 
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demonslayer said:
Lets not forget if it were the other way around we would have seen multiple leaf suspensions,
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And this is why I think it is an organizational thing. Because they know that the league is much harder on them than most other teams, and this will likely be the case until Parros and Walkom are gone. Any attempt to play like they did under Burns and Quinn will be met by penalty parades and ridiculous suspensions that no other team in the NHL would see.
 
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authentic said:
I don't entirely disagree but it is funny to think that if Bobrovsky didn't stand on his head none of this talk would exist
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Brobovsky was very good, he did his job… I just didn’t see this stealing narrative play out. He made good positional saves, but I didn’t see the highlight reel empty netter rob saves because there wasn’t any. I don’t recall any save in the 5 games where I thought oh wow that was a sure goal if it want for brobovsky. Analytics can be funny that way.
 
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I feel like a guy like Tavares let the team down. He cant stand up for himself and as the captain how is he gonna stand up for the team. It also doesn't help having the three other softies...
 
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TheGreenTBer said:
Listening to this right now.

...There's no way the team can just can run it back with everyone and get away with it, like sweep it under the rug. I don't think the fanbase will accept that anymore.
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There’s a large section of the fan base that love Kyle and think this team is a true cup contender. They will run it back again
 
GoonieFace said:
There’s a large section of the fan base that love Kyle and think this team is a true cup contender. They will run it back again
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They can't really afford to though.

They can't have Matthews on a lame-duck contract (either extend him or trade him, period) they can't trade JT at all, they can't have half the cap taken up by four forwards that collectively do not take their game enough to another gear when the real season starts, and Nylander, while inconsistent, is a rather efficient use of cap space at the moment. That leaves Marner.

They have to change the coach and they have to change the core. If the GM responsible for extending the core won't do that, he also needs to be shown the door. It doesn't matter what depth pieces you add if your star players aren't star players when it matters.
 
TheGreenTBer said:
They can't really afford to though.

They can't have Matthews on a lame-duck contract, they can't trade JT at all, they can't have half the cap taken up by four forwards that collectively do not take their game enough to another gear when the real season starts, and Nylander, while inconsistent, is a rather efficient use of cap space at the moment. That leaves Marner.

They have to change the coach and they have to change the core. If the GM responsible for extending the core won't do that, he also needs to be shown the door. It doesn't matter what depth pieces you add if your star players aren't star players when it matters.
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We know this, but I have a bad feeling…
 
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TheGreenTBer said:
Listening to this right now.

...There's no way the team can just can run it back with everyone and get away with it, like sweep it under the rug. I don't think the fanbase will accept that anymore.
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….what will the fan base do about it?
 
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TheGreenTBer said:
...There's no way the team can just can run it back with everyone and get away with it, like sweep it under the rug. I don't think the fanbase will accept that anymore.
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There is no indication Matthews is coming back, or that his body has a future. His mind looked checked out. Was he sad playing without his full wrister ?

Marner has a early NMC kicking in July 1, 2023. I think he needs to be dealt just because he signed such an asshole contract.

He'll get good return.
 
ACC1224 said:
….what will the fan base do about it?
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I'm not qualified to answer that question.

The organization does care about PR, and running it back isn't going to give them good PR. I've been out of the loop for years but there's more of a media and fan stink going around now that there's been in years and I bet that will affect merchandise sales too.

BTW, I remember you from 15 or so years ago. Nice to chat with you again.
 
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TheGreenTBer said:
I'm not qualified to answer that question.

The organization does care about PR, and running it back isn't going to give them good PR. I've been out of the loop for years but there's more of a media and fan stink going around now that there's been in years and I bet that will affect merchandise sales too.

BTW, I remember you from 15 or so years ago. Nice to chat with you again.
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I may not like everything they do but one thing I absolutely believe is they can’t make decisions based on what the fans think.
 
LeafLoyalist said:
Brobovsky was very good, he did his job… I just didn’t see this stealing narrative play out. He made good positional saves, but I didn’t see the highlight reel empty netter rob saves because there wasn’t any. I don’t recall any save in the 5 games where I thought oh wow that was a sure goal if it want for brobovsky. Analytics can be funny that way.
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Bingo.
 
ACC1224 said:
I may not like everything they do but one thing I absolutely believe is they can’t make decisions based on what the fans think.
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In general I agree with you.

But this fanbase, in my opinion, can be patient to a fault and too nice; maybe it's a Canada thing but that ain't how we do things where I live. I live in Boston and holy crap are these hockey fans not f***ing nice in the slightest if they are pissed off. They have high expectations and I think that's more of a good thing than a bad one.
 
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HamiltonNHL said:
NOT TO MENTION:

Keefe would have never played him.

Only the Bunting suspension brought him in.

Just like Woll. Who should have been worked in during the first series.
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How can they possibly work Woll in against TB?
Sammy only did bad in Game 1. Then he did well in Game 2. Leafs won Game 3 and 4. Lost game 5. and Won Game 6.
The only argument about getting Woll a game is Game 2 bc Sammy was bad in Game 1, but thats a huge gamble and if it fails, TB will be up 2-0 in the Series heading back to TB.
 
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