Value of: Klingberg at the deadline

[Benstheman]

What's his value as a rental and what teams could show interest in him?

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[samsagat]

Dallas is at playoffs doors.

If they're still in the race for a playoff spot and sell him, it could be seen by their players as Management letting them down.

From a cold logical point of view it might be seen as the thing to do, but in NHL's culture they most often think otherwise.
Players and coaches always want to win now, furthermore if they're close enough to still hope for it.

An alternative could be swapping him for a lesser player but with some terms left.

Maybe Petry? With retention or a contract making the other way around?

 

[Dr Pepper]

Dallas is at playoffs doors.

If they're still in the race for a playoff spot and sell him, it could be seen by their players as Management letting them down.

From a cold logical point of view it might be seen as the thing to do, but in NHL's culture they most often think otherwise.
Players and coaches always want to win now, furthermore if they're close enough to still hope for it.

An alternative could be swapping him for a lesser player but with some terms left.

Maybe Petry? With retention or a contract making the other way around?

I'm pretty sure Dallas is already one of the oldest teams in the league, if not THE oldest.

If they trade away John Klingberg to get even older, I will laugh so goddamn hard.....

 

[Skelen]

I'm pretty sure Dallas is already one of the oldest teams in the league, if not THE oldest.

If they trade away John Klingberg to get even older, I will laugh so goddamn hard.....

Did you even read what he wrote? Klingberg wants out because they can't afford to sign him. Losing him for nothing while trying for a cup (especially if they don't win it) would be poor assest management but selling would hurt the team trying for said cup. Doing a player swap, with maybe a small add on either side would help Dallas and could help Montreal still get a solid return. It was also just an example

 

[Benstheman]

I'm pretty sure Dallas is already one of the oldest teams in the league, if not THE oldest.

If they trade away John Klingberg to get even older, I will laugh so goddamn hard.....

They are kind of stuck in it though. All of the core is signed or under team control for several years.

 

[Dynamite Time]

Stars already have a top4 d-man in his later 30’s under contract for a few more years; no reason to go after Petry and get even older.

If Nill realizes this team isn’t going to do anything in the playoffs (if we slip in) he needs to sale. Klingberg, Pavelski and Radulov could be turned for a nice set of picks/prospects.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I'd pay a lot for Klingberg

 

[Dr Pepper]

Did you even read what he wrote? Klingberg wants out because they can't afford to sign him. Losing him for nothing while trying for a cup (especially if they don't win it) would be poor assest management but selling would hurt the team trying for said cup. Doing a player swap, with maybe a small add on either side would help Dallas and could help Montreal still get a solid return. It was also just an example

Did you?

I made a comment about how Dallas is possibly the oldest team in the league.

Trading Klingberg for an older player is not the right direction for this team.

I really hope that clears things up for you.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I'd pay a lot for Klingberg

I don't think Toronto even needs him, but I'm sure Dubas has certainly thought about it.

Would be interested to see what kind of offers he'd float Dallas's way.

 

[BB88]

Dallas is at playoffs doors.

If they're still in the race for a playoff spot and sell him, it could be seen by their players as Management letting them down.

From a cold logical point of view it might be seen as the thing to do, but in NHL's culture they most often think otherwise.
Players and coaches always want to win now, furthermore if they're close enough to still hope for it.

An alternative could be swapping him for a lesser player but with some terms left.

Maybe Petry? With retention or a contract making the other way around?

They probably won’t sell but that team screams for retool.
Older expensive contracts with very limited prospect pool.

Klingberg+ Pavelski could net you 2 1st round picks+ quality prospect(from Kling trade) so you’d be at 3 1st round picks for 2022 draft and suddenly the prospect pool looks very different.

What will happen though more likely is one mid 1st round pick followed by Kling& Pavelski walking, leading to rebuild in near future.

With Hintz and Heiskanen they should start now, not in few years when there’s nothing to sell.

If they don’t want to give up entirely on the season you sell Kling for 1st+ and buy someone else with lesser assets.
Kling for Petry+ small add would be a major loss for Dallas

 

[Skelen]

Did you?

I made a comment about how Dallas is possibly the oldest team in the league.

Trading Klingberg for an older player is not the right direction for this team.

I really hope that clears things up for you.

It doesn't matter if they are upgrading a position and making a run for the cup

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't think Toronto even needs him, but I'm sure Dubas has certainly thought about it.

Would be interested to see what kind of offers he'd float Dallas's way.

They do need a top 4 guy.

2 other guys I wonder about are Pavelski and Radulov

 

[Dr Pepper]

They do need a top 4 guy.

2 other guys I wonder about are Pavelski and Radulov

Radulov's value has cratered in the past year or so....doubt he would cost much.

Pavs is a different story, and likely to net the biggest return if Dallas does decide to pull the plug - and if Pavs actually wants out, since I think he has a NTC of some kind.

 

[samsagat]

They certainly can't afford to loose him for nothing, but selling him in their actual position would send the wrong message to their players.
It wouldn't be well received for sure.

With Radulov and Pavelski hitting UFA status too, their position is certainly not an easy one.

I think Dallas management will wait for their players to make them decision easier, but if they respond well, they'll be screwed...

 

[account deactivated]

Maybe Petry? With retention or a contract making the other way around?

I'd rather lose Klingberg to free agency and get nothing out of it (which is what I expect the Stars to do because they're run by morons) than to take on Petry's contract.

Though the simple fact that the Stars ARE run by morons means that Klingberg for Petry is a likely move.

 

[spockBokk]

Kevin Shattenkirk was traded to WAS for a late 1st, C prospect, conditional pick and cap dump (Brad Malone)

I wouldn’t expect more than that, if a team is even willing to pay that much. There is going to be a ton of rental D on the market this year.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Radulov's value has cratered in the past year or so....doubt he would cost much.

Pavs is a different story, and likely to net the biggest return if Dallas does decide to pull the plug - and if Pavs actually wants out, since I think he has a NTC of some kind.

If Pavelski is available I'd be all over that.

I've said before the Leafs need a top 4D man, but also 1 more top 6 forward because I think teams that win have at least 1 guy on the 3rd line that could be in the top 6.

and Pavelski would allow for that.

Bunting Matthews Marner

Pavelski Tavares Nylander

Kerfoot Kampf Mikyehev

Engvall Spezza Kase.

That's 4 lines that can score.

 

[Benstheman]

Kevin Shattenkirk was traded to WAS for a late 1st, C prospect, conditional pick and cap dump (Brad Malone)

I wouldn’t expect more than that, if a team is even willing to pay that much. There is going to be a ton of rental D on the market this year.

Thank you. Your kind of the only one who responded to initial question

 

[Benstheman]

Kevin Shattenkirk was traded to WAS for a late 1st, C prospect, conditional pick and cap dump (Brad Malone)

I wouldn’t expect more than that, if a team is even willing to pay that much. There is going to be a ton of rental D on the market this year.

I would think Klingberg's value would be higher than Shattenkirk. At that time, iirc, Shattenkirk was struggling alot.

 

[spockBokk]

I would think Klingberg's value would be higher than Shattenkirk. At that time, iirc, Shattenkirk was struggling alot.

Klingberg is in decline. He’s still an effective top 4 offensive D, but he’s older than Shattenkirk was when he was traded (I think) and he’s certainly not lighting the world on fire at the moment.

Furthermore, consider the teams that are rumored to be interested-CAR, LA, FLA. Each of them already has a better PPQB and/or all around RD in DeAngelo, Doughty or Eckblad. Adding Klingberg to such a team would be a luxury, not a necessity.

As a Canes fan, I wouldn’t mind a Klingberg acquisition, but some of the proposals I’ve seen floated for him are ridiculous. Bear + Scott Morrow + a 1st is my favorite, absolute delusion. The Canes could be interested in him, but I absolutely don’t seem them competing in a bidding war for him, with guys like Hamonic, Braun, Ristolainen, Leddy, Giodarno, Chairiot, etc available as well.

 

[Ciao]

I'd pay a lot for Klingberg

Just curious -- what would you offer for Klingberg?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Just curious -- what would you offer for Klingberg?

I can't put together a specific offer but i can tell you that if they are going to pay big for somebody I want that player to be a difference maker.

John Klinberg can be that so there isn't much I wouldn't have on the table.

high draft picks, top prospects young players all of it would be open for discussion.

I think it should be and I think it will be, they are 29-10-3, this is the best roster they have had in 20 years and that includes last year.

The time is now to go all in, truly all in and I think Dubas will because I think his job is on the line.

The Rams went all in this past off season and now they are in the superbowl.

The Bucs did it 2 years ago and they won.

There comes a point where it's time to go all in.

It's time to go all in.

 

[Rory]

Klingberg is in decline. He’s still an effective top 4 offensive D, but he’s older than Shattenkirk was when he was traded (I think) and he’s certainly not lighting the world on fire at the moment.

Furthermore, consider the teams that are rumored to be interested-CAR, LA, FLA. Each of them already has a better PPQB and/or all around RD in DeAngelo, Doughty or Eckblad. Adding Klingberg to such a team would be a luxury, not a necessity.

As a Canes fan, I wouldn’t mind a Klingberg acquisition, but some of the proposals I’ve seen floated for him are ridiculous. Bear + Scott Morrow + a 1st is my favorite, absolute delusion. The Canes could be interested in him, but I absolutely don’t seem them competing in a bidding war for him, with guys like Hamonic, Braun, Ristolainen, Leddy, Giodarno, Chairiot, etc available as well.

Klingberg is 29. Shattenkirk was 28 at the time of that trade. So age is a moot point here. The guys you listed are not in the same category as klingberg. They are a tier or 2 lower. His numbers are down but that is to blame on Bowness and his stupid system. See last nights game for an example of stupid coaching systems. Nill has said he want three good things in return. So picks and prospects. The things throw out are not unrealistic outside of the Necas one which would never happen.

 

[spockBokk]

Klingberg is 29. Shattenkirk was 28 at the time of that trade. So age is a moot point here. The guys you listed are not in the same category as klingberg. They are a tier or 2 lower. His numbers are down but that is to blame on Bowness and his stupid system. See last nights game for an example of stupid coaching systems. Nill has said he want three good things in return. So picks and prospects. The things throw out are not unrealistic outside of the Necas one which would never happen.

If you think a young roster D + a very promising RD prospect + 1st is a reasonable payment for rental Klingberg, well I just don’t know what to tell you, other than expect to be incredibly disappointed with the actual return if he is traded.

One rental D was traded for a 1st last year…let me say that again….ONE. With the amount of rentals on the market this year, there’s just no way Klingberg returns the haul some Dallas fans are expecting.

 

[Rory]

If you think a young roster D + a very promising RD prospect + 1st is a reasonable payment for rental Klingberg, well I just don’t know what to tell you, other than expect to be incredibly disappointed with the actual return if he is traded.

One rental D was traded for a 1st last year…let me say that again….ONE. With the amount of rentals on the market this year, there’s just no way Klingberg returns the haul some Dallas fans are expecting.

I don’t think it’s that far fetched. Now will it be three pieces? Probably not. But a 1st and a good prospect is more than reasonable. Not all defenseman are equal which you seem to be confused by. Last year was Savard which is a tier lower than klingberg. The ones you listed are much lower impact than klingberg. You are acting like klingberg is some bottom pairing defenseman. The more impactful player the more it costs. I don’t care if you don’t want to pay the price. There are several articles that say he will get a good haul. I believe the experts over HF boards evaluation system.