Value of: Klingberg at the deadline

[spockBokk]

I don’t think it’s that far fetched. Now will it be three pieces? Probably not. But a 1st and a good prospect is more than reasonable. Not all defenseman are equal which you seem to be confused by. Last year was Savard which is a tier lower than klingberg. The ones you listed are much lower impact than klingberg. You are acting like klingberg is some bottom pairing defenseman. The more impactful player the more it costs. I don’t care if you don’t want to pay the price. There are several articles that say he will get a good haul. I believe the experts over HF boards evaluation system.

Do any of those “expert” proposals actually consider the other team’s needs? Not really…they’re just spouting off for clicks at deadline season.

To add, if your trusted “experts” are the ones from the Klingberg article in the Athletic, then all those proposals are flawed from the start. They used the Justin Faulk and Jacob Trouba deals as comparables. That’s severely flawed logic from the get go. Faulk was traded in the off-season, with a year of term left on his deal AND he immediately signed an extension. Trouba also was traded in the off-season as an RFA, with team control. Klingberg will be a R-E-N-T-A-L at the deadline. Like it or not, the correct comparables to use would have to be similar R-E-N-T-A-L deals for D, like Savard and Shattenkirk.

I’ll go by what typically happens at deadlines, by my count, since 2017, only 2 rental D have returned 1sts, Shattenkirk and Savard. Klingberg may also return a 1st, but history clearly demonstrates it won’t be much more than that.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I can't put together a specific offer but i can tell you that if they are going to pay big for somebody I want that player to be a difference maker.

John Klinberg can be that so there isn't much I wouldn't have on the table.

high draft picks, top prospects young players all of it would be open for discussion.

I think it should be and I think it will be, they are 29-10-3, this is the best roster they have had in 20 years and that includes last year.

The time is now to go all in, truly all in and I think Dubas will because I think his job is on the line.

The Rams went all in this past off season and now they are in the superbowl.

The Bucs did it 2 years ago and they won.

There comes a point where it's time to go all in.

It's time to go all in.

Thoughts on Klingberg (50%) + Kiviranta for 1 of Dermott/Holl + 1st + Robertson? Adds a good depth forward for a playoff run as well.

I think Klingberg would be an excellent fit in Toronto next to Muzzin. He's a good puck moving dman that struggles in Dallas' low puck control, heavy forecheck style hockey. In a system like Toronto's where they try to always have the puck he would likely thrive

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Someone like Bokk could make sense as a kicker piece. Once the centerpiece in the Faulk trade, he's lost stock since; his AHL numbers are what they are. Still, he has the 1st round pedigree and that will make him an interesting gamble for another club.

 

[Rory]

Do any of those “expert” proposals actually consider the other team’s needs? Not really…they’re just spouting off for clicks at deadline season.

To add, if your trusted “experts” are the ones from the Klingberg article in the Athletic, then all those proposals are flawed from the start. They used the Justin Faulk and Jacob Trouba deals as comparables. That’s severely flawed logic from the get go. Faulk was traded in the off-season, with a year of term left on his deal AND he immediately signed an extension. Trouba also was traded in the off-season as an RFA, with team control. Klingberg will be a R-E-N-T-A-L at the deadline. Like it or not, the correct comparables to use would have to be similar R-E-N-T-A-L deals for D, like Savard and Shattenkirk.

I’ll go by what typically happens at deadlines, by my count, since 2017, only 2 rental D have returned 1sts, Shattenkirk and Savard. Klingberg may also return a 1st, but history clearly demonstrates it won’t be much more than that.

Sure you are right. Clearly you are the expert and far better than any professional writer or commentators out there. HF boards is so thankful to have such a great person like you.

Your opinion is just that. An opinion of no one. You have no inside information and despite what you think of your skills as an arm chair GM you have no say in what happens. You make dumb statement like “there’s just no way Klingberg returns the haul some Dallas fans are expecting” yet you have no inside info. You use shattenkirk as an example. Yet he returned far more than just a 1st.

Capitals acquired him with their offer of youngster Zach Sanford, veteran Brad Malone (a necessary contract move), a 2017 first-round pick, and a conditional 2019 second-round pick.

seems more than just a 1st.

do some research before you throw out a dumb opinion based on no information at all.

I hope Nill does do this trade just so we can have this conversation again and hear you say I can’t believe he was traded for all that. The rest of us won’t be surprised however. Part of your issue is you severely under value klingberg. That is why you will be shocked. GM the real ones won’t under value him.

 

[spockBokk]

Sure you are right.

Im glad we agree on something.

We’ll just have to see what the return is.

 

[Rory]

Im glad we agree on something.

We’ll just have to see what the return is.

Sarcasm. I doubt I would ever agree with you. Your point don’t make sense. But let’s wait and see.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Thoughts on Klingberg (50%) + Kiviranta for 1 of Dermott/Holl + 1st + Robertson? Adds a good depth forward for a playoff run as well.

I think Klingberg would be an excellent fit in Toronto next to Muzzin. He's a good puck moving dman that struggles in Dallas' low puck control, heavy forecheck style hockey. In a system like Toronto's where they try to always have the puck he would likely thrive

I legitimately don't know where Kiviranta would play.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I legitimately don't know where Kiviranta would play.

Over either Simmonds or Engvall. He's a solid 2-way physical depth player on a cheap multi year deal. Worst case it never hurts to add a reliable depth player like him at the deadline even if he's the 13th forward. Definitely a better option than Clifford if someone goes down

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Over either Simmonds or Engvall. He's a solid 2-way physical depth player on a cheap multi year deal. Worst case it never hurts to add a reliable depth player like him at the deadline even if he's the 13th forward. Definitely a better option than Clifford if someone goes down

I'm not a big Engval guy, never have been but Engvall already has a career high in points with 17 in 39 games he's going ti end up with about 15 goals at this pace.

He's not taking Engvall spot, no chance

 

[CupInSIX]

Did you even read what he wrote? Klingberg wants out because they can't afford to sign him. Losing him for nothing while trying for a cup (especially if they don't win it) would be poor assest management but selling would hurt the team trying for said cup. Doing a player swap, with maybe a small add on either side would help Dallas and could help Montreal still get a solid return. It was also just an example

What an odd response to a perfectly rational take. Turning Klingberg into an overpaid 34yo is a gigantic risk and horrible asset management. Even with retention that's an awful trade for Dallas.

I don't think you realize how badly Petry is doing this year.

 

[glenbuis]

What an odd response to a perfectly rational take. Turning Klingberg into an overpaid 34yo is a gigantic risk and horrible asset management. Even with retention that's an awful trade for Dallas.

I don't think you realize how badly Petry is doing this year.

you would think that playing through a minor injury , dealing with covid and having three quarters of your team on injured reserve might bring your game down. now under perfect circumstances he gets 42 points in 55 games and plays close to 25 minutes a night in all situations during the playoffs. i don't think you realize how good he can be .
he'll be 37 when his contract is up . not exactly old age. i'll also add having your family not with you for extended periods may affect a guys game as well .

 

[Yackiberg8]

Did you even read what he wrote? Klingberg wants out because they can't afford to sign him. Losing him for nothing while trying for a cup (especially if they don't win it) would be poor assest management but selling would hurt the team trying for said cup. Doing a player swap, with maybe a small add on either side would help Dallas and could help Montreal still get a solid return. It was also just an example

Why would he want out and to be traded because they can’t afford to sign him?

 

[habsfan44]

I can't put together a specific offer but i can tell you that if they are going to pay big for somebody I want that player to be a difference maker.

John Klinberg can be that so there isn't much I wouldn't have on the table.

high draft picks, top prospects young players all of it would be open for discussion.

I think it should be and I think it will be, they are 29-10-3, this is the best roster they have had in 20 years and that includes last year.

The time is now to go all in, truly all in and I think Dubas will because I think his job is on the line.

The Rams went all in this past off season and now they are in the superbowl.

The Bucs did it 2 years ago and they won.

There comes a point where it's time to go all in.

It's time to go all in.

Excellent post kudos to you sir ! I believe this is the mindset of every NHL general manager that thinks his team has a shot at winning it all .

 

[glenbuis]

I'd pay a lot for Klingberg

i'm assuming your bid would have sandin and a first in it ?

 

[Rory]

If it is Toronto klingberg goes I hope Robertson comes back. Let’s put the brothers together.

 

[BfantZ]

If it is Toronto klingberg goes I hope Robertson comes back. Let’s put the brothers together.

I don’t know if it would be a good thing to have the brothers together tbh . Could be a future distraction/headache and jrob is doing so well .

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If it is Toronto klingberg goes I hope Robertson comes back. Let’s put the brothers together.

I'm not Dubas obviously but I can't see how he wouldn't be open to that

 

[Overrateprospects]

Do any of those “expert” proposals actually consider the other team’s needs? Not really…they’re just spouting off for clicks at deadline season.

To add, if your trusted “experts” are the ones from the Klingberg article in the Athletic, then all those proposals are flawed from the start. They used the Justin Faulk and Jacob Trouba deals as comparables. That’s severely flawed logic from the get go. Faulk was traded in the off-season, with a year of term left on his deal AND he immediately signed an extension. Trouba also was traded in the off-season as an RFA, with team control. Klingberg will be a R-E-N-T-A-L at the deadline. Like it or not, the correct comparables to use would have to be similar R-E-N-T-A-L deals for D, like Savard and Shattenkirk.

I’ll go by what typically happens at deadlines, by my count, since 2017, only 2 rental D have returned 1sts, Shattenkirk and Savard. Klingberg may also return a 1st, but history clearly demonstrates it won’t be much more than that.

Trouba had one year control and Rangers traded a first and a top 4 Dman with multiple years of control for him. I agree about Klingberg’s value because Habs won’t be buyers at deadline which eliminates one sucker

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

What an odd response to a perfectly rational take. Turning Klingberg into an overpaid 34yo is a gigantic risk and horrible asset management. Even with retention that's an awful trade for Dallas.

I don't think you realize how badly Petry is doing this year.

To be fair nobody is having a good year in Montreal

 

[Unspecified]

It doesn't matter if they are upgrading a position and making a run for the cup

Dallas is 1st round fodder even if we get in. This team lives and dies by Hintz/Pavelski/Robertson. Losing Klingberg who has not really be good this season is not going to miraculously change our luck in the playoffs. Move him at or before the deadline.

 

[Unspecified]

Thoughts on Klingberg (50%) + Kiviranta for 1 of Dermott/Holl + 1st + Robertson? Adds a good depth forward for a playoff run as well.

I think Klingberg would be an excellent fit in Toronto next to Muzzin. He's a good puck moving dman that struggles in Dallas' low puck control, heavy forecheck style hockey. In a system like Toronto's where they try to always have the puck he would likely thrive

Why is Dallas going to retain on a pending UFA? Robertson even in Toronto's fans base is doubtful he can become what his brother is, pick another prospect who is good. In all reality Dallas is going to be offered a 1st + top 9 player + good prospect for Klingberg.

 

[jackjohnson]

Can a Boeser plus Hamonic plus a pick get Dallas interested? Boeser is a young player that will sign for cheap long term while Hamonic can be used as a regular top 4D if needed.

 

[Unspecified]

Can a Boeser plus Hamonic plus a pick get Dallas interested? Boeser is a young player that will sign for cheap long term while Hamonic can be used as a regular top 4D if needed.

Boeser on Dallas would be nice. I though Van wanted the farm for him.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Why is Dallas going to retain on a pending UFA? Robertson even in Toronto's fans base is doubtful he can become what his brother is, pick another prospect who is good. In all reality Dallas is going to be offered a 1st + top 9 player + good prospect for Klingberg.

Lmao what?

Jason Robertson is likely going to be a star player in the NHL long term, Nick having a lower ceiling than him doesnt make him a bad prospect by any means

Your ask is literally what I gave you in that package, i dont understand.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Think their best option would be a sign and trade. He's looking for a big contract and isn't really doing himself too many favours with 1 goal on the year.

If he does get traded without an extension, it needs to be somewhere that has a clear pronounced role ready for him. Somewhere where the 1PP qb spot could use a upgrade. That could be Calgary.