Post-Game Talk: Kittens tamed Jets win 6-4

[nabby12]

I'd do a trade involving Scheifele for Eichel in a heartbeat. Other than that or for another top 1C, we're keeping him.

 

[KingBogo]

I'd do a trade involving Scheifele for Eichel in a heartbeat. Other than that or for another top 1C, we're keeping him.

Now that is a pretty big risk injury and attitude wise with some potential upside. Thoughts on how you are going to clear the $4 M in cap space to get it done?

 

[JetsFan815]

I'd do a trade involving Scheifele for Eichel in a heartbeat. Other than that or for another top 1C, we're keeping him.

A guy who hasn't outscored Scheiefele, costs almost double, hasn't played hockey in a year, has a debilitating neck injury likely to keep him out for the regular season, is not someone I'll trade Scheifele for.

 

[GaryPoppins]

You're post was extremely dramatic.

How could poor Nik Ehlers perform with 18 minutes a night on the second line and on pp2?

I'm certain he's had numerous discussions with the coaches about his utilization and the why behind it.

Not out here ripping people’s opinions, pal. Sorry I triggered ya.

 

[bennylundholm]

He has some warts but Schmidt can really nail that d-zone to the other teams blue line pass.
It's not just a low % lob either.
He's really accurate with it.
Most other D lose possession more often then not because the pass is turned over one way or another.

The Jets need to start a marketing campaign in Winnipeg to educate the fans on how to spell one of their star players names.
I wonder what other examples there are of home town fans mispelling a stars name (seems like it's about 30+ % of the time).
If you can't spell Connor right then just stick to the Farm Boy / KFC nick names.
We can all spell Scheifele and Byfuglien right but some how Connor is stumping a major portion of the fan base...

Better check your spelling of “mispelling”.

 

[nabby12]

Now that is a pretty big risk injury and attitude wise with some potential upside. Thoughts on how you are going to clear the $4 M in cap space to get it done?

For starters they'd be taking Little's contract off our hands. Plus Stastny won't be on the books after this season.

A guy who hasn't outscored Scheiefele, costs almost double, hasn't played hockey in a year, has a debilitating neck injury likely to keep him out for the regular season, is not someone I'll trade Scheifele for.

Just stop. I'm a big Jets fan too, but anyone who's watched hockey over the last five years would say Eichel is better than Scheifele.

Eichel is four years younger too, and under contract for five more years.

Also, Eichel has been outscoring Scheifele since his career began and he plays with nobody in Buffalo. While Scheifele gets to choose which stars he plays with.

I don't want to trade Scheifele either, but Eichel is one of the few players where it would make sense. Doesn't make sense to trade Scheif for a defenseman.

 

[DRW204]

I agree eichel>scheifele. But idk it he's 4m better the neck injury is a pretty big deal.

For starters they'd be taking Little's contract off our hands. Plus Stastny won't be on the books after this season.



Just stop. I'm a big Jets fan too, but anyone who's watched hockey over the last five years would say Eichel is better than Scheifele.

Eichel is four years younger too, and under contract for five more years.

Also, Eichel has been outscoring Scheifele since his career began and he plays with nobody in Buffalo. While Scheifele gets to choose which stars he plays with.

I don't want to trade Scheifele either, but Eichel is one of the few players where it would make sense. Doesn't make sense to trade Scheif for a defenseman.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

For starters they'd be taking Little's contract off our hands. Plus Stastny won't be on the books after this season.



Just stop. I'm a big Jets fan too, but anyone who's watched hockey over the last five years would say Eichel is better than Scheifele.

Eichel is four years younger too, and under contract for five more years.

Also, Eichel has been outscoring Scheifele since his career began and he plays with nobody in Buffalo. While Scheifele gets to choose which stars he plays with.

I don't want to trade Scheifele either, but Eichel is one of the few players where it would make sense. Doesn't make sense to trade Scheif for a defenseman.

I had no clue Scheif was considered untouchable unless it is for Eichel and even thay suggestion get you ripped a new one.
The funny thing is we posters have more control over the price of tea in China than Chevy trading a player yet the mere posting of an opinion that is outside the box is met with such disdain that you would think we stole someone's lunch money!

 

[gojetsgo]

I had no clue Scheif was considered untouchable unless it is for Eichel and even thay suggestion get you ripped a new one.
The funny thing is we posters have more control over the price of tea in China than Chevy trading a player yet the mere posting of an opinion that is outside the box is met with such disdain that you would think we stole someone's lunch money!

ppg #1 center on a team trying to win, of course he's untouchable.

 

[surixon]

I had no clue Scheif was considered untouchable unless it is for Eichel and even thay suggestion get you ripped a new one.
The funny thing is we posters have more control over the price of tea in China than Chevy trading a player yet the mere posting of an opinion that is outside the box is met with such disdain that you would think we stole someone's lunch money!

Which number 1 dmen would even be available? Those are rarely if ever traded.

I think if we moved Mark we'd quickly regret it at this point. We would have a much harder time trying to put up points. Yes Dubois, Ehelers, and Conner are great players that produce but that is only 3. You are then very reliant on two older players in Wheeler and Stastny to pick up enough of the remaining slack and that isn't fair to either of them at this point in their careers.

We need Mark and his 30 goals and his playmaking much more then we need a good dmen. I think our defense is more then fine and any improvement there is now more chemistry and system change related.

 

[Ducky10]

I had no clue Scheif was considered untouchable unless it is for Eichel and even thay suggestion get you ripped a new one.
The funny thing is we posters have more control over the price of tea in China than Chevy trading a player yet the mere posting of an opinion that is outside the box is met with such disdain that you would think we stole someone's lunch money!

It’s a little baffling why you’re taking this so personally. If you don’t want people to respond to your opinions and possibly disagree with them. Then maybe a public hockey discussion forum isn’t for you.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think we could be In for a rude awakening when that happens. There are a lot of warts on this team still.. The PK is trash, the fourth line is basically useless. Two goal game aside Stasney looks a bit too slow to be on the top 3 lines and unless Stanley makes some huge (no pun intended) that third pair isn’t going to be able to handle significant minutes against good teams.
All that said if Maurice optimizes his line up all the pieces are there.

I think you are overstating it a bit. The PK is trash. The 4th line might be OK, it might be excellent. How could we know when Moe is doing this 7-11 BS? Stastny is definitely slow, but he is still managing to get to the right places in the right time. His slowness will stand out less when he is back on the 3rd line. Our 3rd pair is fine. Really. Stanley is still making rookie mistakes but fewer all the time and DeMelo compensates for them.

Maurice needs to be the one changing over these next few games.

 

[GNP]

A guy who hasn't outscored Scheiefele, costs almost double, hasn't played hockey in a year, has a debilitating neck injury likely to keep him out for the regular season, is not someone I'll trade Scheifele for.

The last thing I would do as a GM is trade Scheifele for Eichel. On top of all the points pointed out, in the above post quoted, Kyle Connor broke Jack Eichel's scoring records in college, but not by much. Eichel won the Hoby Baker award, but Connor did not -- go figure.

I think Eichel is way overrated, and from what I hear is always complaining, and on top of all that has a serious neck injury ? We don't need another headache here, we just got rid of one.

 

[BigHulkingThickV]

It's interesting to hear so many completely different perspectives on one player. Personally, I think a healthy Eichel is one of the best players in the league. I would place him further on the underrated side of the spectrum, which might be a controversial thing to do. I would love to see what he could do in the Jets offense, he hasn't had the most support in Buffalo (obviously).


With that being said, I don't think an Eichel trade would ever happen. But if we're comparing players straight up, contracts included, I'd take Jack in a heartbeat - no disrespect to Mark.

 

[Jetsetter]

Sorry what the hell is all this chatter about trading Scheifele?! Stop it!!

This is a guy that has signed a long term contract with us and been outstanding player for us. He should retire a Jet!

By the way when is the Buff celebration??

 

[LowLefty]

Scheif is probably really looking forward to getting back in the line up before he gets traded

 

[AlphaLackey]

In retrospect, it definitely wasn't a Nashville party

 

[Gm0ney]

The last thing I would do as a GM is trade Scheifele for Eichel. On top of all the points pointed out in this post, Kyle Connor broke Jack Eichel's scoring records in college, but not by much. Eichel won the Hoby Baker award, but Connor did not -- go figure.

I think Eichel is way overrated, and from what I hear is always complaining, and on top of all that has a serious neck injury ? We don't need another headache here, we just got rid of one.

Jimmy Vesey stole Connor's Hobey Baker Award by "writing" a gushing paean to NCAA hockey. Connor deserved the award.

 

[SLAYER]

Jimmy Vesey stole Connor's Hobey Baker Award by "writing" a gushing paean to NCAA hockey. Connor deserved the award.

I agree, Connor was robbed, what a sham that was. Vesey did not deserve the Hobey over Connor.

Kid is dynamite and is looking like he'll have a monster season.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I had no clue Scheif was considered untouchable unless it is for Eichel and even thay suggestion get you ripped a new one.
The funny thing is we posters have more control over the price of tea in China than Chevy trading a player yet the mere posting of an opinion that is outside the box is met with such disdain that you would think we stole someone's lunch money!

I don't think your opinion is "outside the box", I just think trading a PPG #1C for a #1D doesn't make a whole lot of sense, even with the cap gymnastics we'd have to do. We have 6 NHL defencemen right now, which is more than we've had since 17/18. Adding a "#1 D" means getting rid of one of the ones we have plus losing Scheifele. We are not so loaded at the C position that we could trade away a player like that for something that isn't a true need.

Our defensive "issues" IMO are related to coaching and schemes more than personnel. We shouldn't be a tire fire when the puck is in our D zone, but we often are. This should be a top 10-15 defence in the right coach's hands.

If you want to think outside of the box, let's trade Huddy for better D coach.

 

[Snot Rocket]

As the regular season has progressed, the gap between Vesalainen and Svechnikov is widening. Ves is looking more a comfortable. Svech is really not up to the speed and skill of Dubois and Connor.

While I agree with the speed (of game, foot too?), there have been flashes of as well.
Perhaps if he gets a few more games there he'll get some speed/quickness.

Vesa 23 NHL GP 1G 7A vs Svech 45 NHL GP 5G 9A

Vesa at least marinated in the Jerts systems, Svech is playing catch-up here... hopefully he gets enough time to get it locked in...maybe pop that first goal or two for more confidence.

 

[Whileee]

While I agree with the speed (of game, foot too?), there have been flashes of as well.
Perhaps if he gets a few more games there he'll get some speed/quickness.

Vesa 23 NHL GP 1G 7A vs Svech 45 NHL GP 5G 9A

Vesa at least marinated in the Jerts systems, Svech is playing catch-up here... hopefully he gets enough time to get it locked in...maybe pop that first goal or two for more confidence.

Vesalainen is almost 3 years younger than Svech. Based on their play with the Jets so far, I see Ves ramping up his pace of play while Svech seems to struggle to play at the same pace as Dubois and Connor. Svech might be fine on lower lines, I just don't see him playing with enough pace to complement Dubois and Connor.

 

[Howard Chuck]

On the Scheifele discussion, I would trade or move Wheeler to third line and that would vastly improve Scheifele’s game imo.

55 needs linemates that are going to push him to work harder. Wheeler seems to have the opposite effect. Together they think that they are so talented that they don’t have to work hard. Or maybe the issue is that they know they are going to have to play 20-25 minute per game so they have to save their energy.

Whatever it is, 55 will be just fine where he is if his minutes are cut a little and Wheeler does what a good captain should, and think of what’s good for the team.

 

[DRW204]

On the Scheifele discussion, I would trade or move Wheeler to third line and that would vastly improve Scheifele’s game imo.

55 needs linemates that are going to push him to work harder. Wheeler seems to have the opposite effect. Together they think that they are so talented that they don’t have to work hard. Or maybe the issue is that they know they are going to have to play 20-25 minute per game so they have to save their energy.

Whatever it is, 55 will be just fine where he is if his minutes are cut a little and Wheeler does what a good captain should, and think of what’s good for the team.

i don't think it's a coincidence that connor's defensive game is less highlighted away from those 2.

i still think wheeler is a top 6er, we don't have an alternative RW better than him. Svech, harkins, Ves? dont think so.

 

[Whileee]

i don't think it's a coincidence that connor's defensive game is less highlighted away from those 2.

i still think wheeler is a top 6er, we don't have an alternative RW better than him. Svech, harkins, Ves? dont think so.

Connor looked better last game, but overall this season his defensive and overall shot metrics this season are no better than last season. But he looks just dynamic offensively and has developed into one of the top-end goal scorers in the NHL.

By the way, two of the NHL's worst forwards defensively so far this season (based on adjusted shot metrics) are top forwards coached by Barry Trotz (Barzal and Bailey)...