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If you're not tired of the ongoing Mesar "wait and see" situation, here is yet another take on it from montrealhockeynow.com:

....A more interesting avenue could be Canadian Major Junior, with the Kitchener Rangers of the OHL. Should Mesar be loaned to Kitchener, he would get prime usage on a nightly basis and would instantly become their most prominent forward right from the jump. It would make for a very interesting environment where Mesar would be able to further refine his offensive game in a less physically demanding setting in his first season in North America.

On the flip side, the forward situation in Laval is going to be incredibly crowded, just as it already is on the big club at the moment. The Laval Rocket will have trouble finding room to play all of the Canadiens’ forward prospects due to the high number of AHL contracts they’ve handed out this summer.......

The full article here:

Canadiens Will Have Important Decision To Make On Filip Mesar

I thought the reference to fellow Canadiens draft pick Jan Mysak was an interesting take.
Excellent article. Pointing out that Mesar is 15 lbs lighter than Mysak. Mesar needs to bulk up and adapt to more physical play. I have also read that Mesar needs to work on the defensive side of his game. Gone are the days when a player can succeed at the NHL level with scoring alone. With Coach Dennis, team defense will be stressed even more with the Rangers.
 
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The Athletic article on Mesar talked about him and the potential of where he will play next season. He’s been playing C for games 2 and 3 of the prospect tournament, and it is mentioned that Montreal may want him to play there in Kitchener. Can imports be traded? Send him to a team where he can play 1C and not have to play behind Pinelli
I’m pretty sure they would sort it out. For me, Serpa being a right shot, could play right wing on one of the top two lines.

We have a ton of centers on this team, a few of which will have to play positions on the wing. I figure until or unless we make a high-end addition upfront, our top six would be:

Rehkopf. Pinelli. Serpa.
Martin. Mesar. Valade.

That’s with Mesar at center. These six can be mixed and matched but for me, we’d really have two #1 lines playing a ton of minutes.
 

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We have a ton of centers on this team, a few of which will have to play positions on the wing. I figure until or unless we make a high-end addition upfront, our top six would be:

Rehkopf. Pinelli. Serpa.
Martin. Mesar. Valade.
Thats quite a top 6. Going to be fun watching your team this season.
 

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I'm not sure the source, but there is a premise floating in Montreal media this morning that said Mesar told the Habs he does not want to be assigned to Kitchener. And reliable sources are saying 2-3 SHL teams are asking the Habs to assign him there.

I hope that's not true, but sounds like some info was leaked at development camp. That'd be too bad.
 

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I'm not sure the source, but there is a premise floating in Montreal media this morning that said Mesar told the Habs he does not want to be assigned to Kitchener. And reliable sources are saying 2-3 SHL teams are asking the Habs to assign him there.

I hope that's not true, but sounds like some info was leaked at development camp. That'd be too bad.
That, would be a kick in the groin.

But if it comes to pass, Rangers have to change gear a little and fill that top six spot with high end quality if they want to contend this year.
 
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Just like Montreal said, a decision will be made at the end of camp. Too much back and forth, "rumours" and "inside scopes". It will be great if he comes and unfortunate if doesn't but I don't expect MacKenzie to sit on his hands in any situation. This core has potential to compete this year, and he realizes this more than anyone. I just can't wait for home opener!
 

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This is an interesting part of the article about the position he will be playing in the future even if he plays centre now.

"This is also where the positional question comes in for Mesar. It sounds as though the Rangers would likely use him at centre, and considering the Canadiens’ AHL coaching staff used Mesar at centre two games in a row here, they also seem to be intrigued by that possibility. But his NHL future is basically guaranteed to be on the wing — with Nick Suzuki, Kirby Dach, and now Beck seemingly pencilled in at the position in the near-to-medium term, and not to mention Christian Dvorak and Jake Evans, Mesar simply wouldn’t fit at centre."
 

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Can't read this. I'm not a subscriber.

Geo, I'm not either.

Maybe try going directly to theathletic.com, and search for Mesar. Or click on NHL and do the search from there. I tried that and it worked.
 

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A scout being interviewed today on The Sick podcast with Tony Marinaro, regarding Mesar, is that they started him on the wing and moved him to center for the remainder of the rookie camp. They want him to be developed as a centre. If he eventually find himself on the wing as a Hab, then fine but they want him to have been a center.

He said they may send him to Kitchener. No confirmation on that either way.
 
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Why the Canadiens’ decision on Filip Mesar will not solely be based on player development​

BROSSARD, QC - JULY 12: Look on Montreal Canadiens right wing prospect Filip Mesar (48) during the Montreal Canadiens Development Camp on July 12, 2022, at Bell Sports Complex in Brossard, QC (Photo by David Kirouac/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)

By Arpon Basu
Sep 18, 2022

BUFFALO, N.Y. — Midway through the second period of the Canadiens’ final game of the prospect tournament, they had the puck in their own end looking to get it moving toward the Ottawa Senators’ end.
Filip Mesar, the Canadiens’ second first-round pick of the last draft, recognized the situation and, playing at centre for a second game in a row, made sure he was available to take a pass at his own blue line before taking three or four lightning-quick strides through the neutral zone.

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Mesar is indeed confusing, for many reasons.
For one, the Canadiens need to decide where he will play this season. They would prefer having him in North America, that much is clear. Because Mesar is a first-round draft pick from Europe, the Canadiens have the option to have him play in Laval this season. But his OHL rights are held by the Kitchener Rangers, who are hopeful to have Mesar join them after training camp.
The tricky part for the Canadiens is that we’re told Mesar has made it clear to them he doesn’t want to play in the OHL, which makes sense, especially considering Mesar has been playing professional hockey against men in Slovakia the last two years. He would probably prefer playing pro in Sweden to playing major junior hockey in Kitchener, and that’s something the Canadiens don’t want.
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One NHL scout we asked about it couldn’t remember the last European player of Mesar’s stature — the Canadiens list him at 5-foot-9, 176 pounds — who came to play in the AHL right after his draft year.
(Photo of Filip Mesar: David Kirouac / Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)
 
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Why the Canadiens’ decision on Filip Mesar will not solely be based on player development​

BROSSARD, QC - JULY 12: Look on Montreal Canadiens right wing prospect Filip Mesar (48) during the Montreal Canadiens Development Camp on July 12, 2022, at Bell Sports Complex in Brossard, QC (Photo by David Kirouac/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)

By Arpon Basu
Sep 18, 2022

BUFFALO, N.Y. — Midway through the second period of the Canadiens’ final game of the prospect tournament, they had the puck in their own end looking to get it moving toward the Ottawa Senators’ end.
Filip Mesar, the Canadiens’ second first-round pick of the last draft, recognized the situation and, playing at centre for a second game in a row, made sure he was available to take a pass at his own blue line before taking three or four lightning-quick strides through the neutral zone.
Just like that, the initial objective was achieved, the puck was in the Senators’ zone and moments later, it was in the Senators’ net.
Mesar didn’t get an assist on the play — that went to William Trudeau, who took a pass from Emil Heineman and then made an extra pass to Xavier Simoneau for an empty-net tap-in — but Mesar made the goal possible.
By the start of the third period, Mesar was back on the wing, playing with his buddy Juraj Slafkovsky and probably the Canadiens’ best player throughout the weekend, centre Owen Beck. And he didn’t skip a beat, continuing to play highly effective hockey, showing speed and smarts and elusiveness and quick hands.
“We gave him a shot at centre and wing throughout the whole tournament, and he did well at both positions,” Laval Rocket coach Jean-François Houle said after the Canadiens’ 7-2 win. “So it’s kind of confusing. But it’s great to see a young player who’s very (versatile) like that, who can play in any situation. So we’ll see what happens this week and in the big camp.”


Mesar is indeed confusing, for many reasons.
For one, the Canadiens need to decide where he will play this season. They would prefer having him in North America, that much is clear. Because Mesar is a first-round draft pick from Europe, the Canadiens have the option to have him play in Laval this season. But his OHL rights are held by the Kitchener Rangers, who are hopeful to have Mesar join them after training camp.
The tricky part for the Canadiens is that we’re told Mesar has made it clear to them he doesn’t want to play in the OHL, which makes sense, especially considering Mesar has been playing professional hockey against men in Slovakia the last two years. He would probably prefer playing pro in Sweden to playing major junior hockey in Kitchener, and that’s something the Canadiens don’t want.
“I think the best option for me will be maybe AHL, but OHL is good option also,” Mesar said, diplomatically. “Wherever I will play, I want to be the best everywhere.”
One NHL scout we asked about it couldn’t remember the last European player of Mesar’s stature — the Canadiens list him at 5-foot-9, 176 pounds — who came to play in the AHL right after his draft year. Some bigger players have done it, Mikko Rantanen and Mika Zibanejad among them, but generally European players tend to play their draft-plus-one year in Europe if they are not ready to play in the NHL.
Playing in Kitchener would probably be best for Mesar’s development right now, but it’s not that simple a decision. As one Canadiens front-office source put it, “it is not a linear equation.”
This is also where the positional question comes in for Mesar. It sounds as though the Rangers would likely use him at centre, and considering the Canadiens’ AHL coaching staff used Mesar at centre two games in a row here, they also seem to be intrigued by that possibility. But his NHL future is basically guaranteed to be on the wing — with Nick Suzuki, Kirby Dach, and now Beck seemingly pencilled in at the position in the near-to-medium term, and not to mention Christian Dvorak and Jake Evans, Mesar simply wouldn’t fit at centre.
Mesar played exclusively centre growing up but moved to the wing when he turned pro in Slovakia. Though his build is probably better suited to the wing, his other skills are very well suited to playing in the middle of the ice. His speed through the neutral zone is eye-catching, and speed includes everything: skating, speed of hands and speed of thought. But that build and the Canadiens’ organizational depth chart means he is all but guaranteed to play on the wing in the NHL.
Again, not a linear equation.
There is something to be said also about the group that will play in Laval this season. It’s not clear exactly who will be there, but what’s already clear is that the Rocket will be much younger and will include numerous players who have very real NHL potential. A number of AHL veterans were allowed to leave in the offseason to get ready for the influx of prospects, a flow that will be even greater next season.
Houle’s job, in that sense, has never been more important.
“It’s great when you look at our sheet right now and we’ve got a lot of first-rounders, second-rounders, third-rounders,” Houle said. “I think it’s great for the organization that there’s a lot of guys that will be coming from underneath and pushing the top guys. It’s our job in Laval to develop players and our coaching staff is going to be ready for that. It’s going to be fun to watch those kids grow into NHLers.”
So, there would be some interest in having Mesar integrate that group right away, even if it is not the ideal development path for him.
A similar decision needs to be made in the case of William Trudeau, who could go back to Charlottetown in the QMJHL for his overage year, a league where he doesn’t have much left to prove but where he could dominate for a year, which also has developmental benefits. The Canadiens have more options with him, however. They could sign him to an AHL contract and have him play all year in Laval or, and this sounds like the most win-win path, they could sign him to a series of professional tryout contracts and then decide if he would be better off finishing the year in the QMJHL, getting the best of both worlds.
These are only two of the difficult decisions the Canadiens have in front of them, decisions that impact player development but are not solely influenced by player development. But what both cases show is just how different things will be in Laval this season, how much more of a developmental environment it will be, and how much more of an internally competitive dynamic it will have.
Take the case of Gianni Fairbrother, who last season was one of the only defencemen on the team who had a real chance of one day playing for the Canadiens and this year will find himself as one of several players who have similarly realistic ambitions.
“I think it’ll be awesome, probably having four or five (more) young guys down there,” Fairbrother said. “Everyone obviously wants to get to the next level, so everyone’s going to be doing everything he can to push each other and everyone’s going to have to play their best, otherwise they’re going to have guys skip over them. So I think it’s going to be good and it’s going to be fun.
“It’s just going to force everyone to show up and be their best every day. Guys are going to be hungry to keep getting better and keep improving.”
This is always the dynamic the Canadiens have wanted in Laval and it seems like this season is the first of several seasons where this will be the case, where fans can go watch real future Canadiens play in Laval.
Having Mesar be a part of that certainly has its benefits, but it is only one piece of what is a multi-faceted, highly-layered decision the Canadiens will have to make with him.
(Photo of Filip Mesar: David Kirouac / Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)
He should be assigned to Kitchener just on the sole factor he wouldn't need new gloves.....come on!!!!
 
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Kia CHL Top-10 Rankings – Preseason

1. Winnipeg ICE
2. Quebec Remparts
3. Seattle Thunderbirds
4. Guelph Storm
5. Kamloops Blazers
6. Gatineau Olympiques
7. Flint Firebirds
8. Mississauga Steelheads
9. Sherbrooke Phoenix
10. Moose Jaw Warriors
HM. Owen Sound Attack
HM. Halifax Mooseheads
HM. Portland Winterhawks

I would have expected to see Barrie in this list of 13, but on the other hand am not surprised to see Guelph, Flint and Owen Sound. The Midwest should be a battle this year.
 

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I'm not sure the source, but there is a premise floating in Montreal media this morning that said Mesar told the Habs he does not want to be assigned to Kitchener. And reliable sources are saying 2-3 SHL teams are asking the Habs to assign him there.

I hope that's not true, but sounds like some info was leaked at development camp. That'd be too bad.
Brynas if one of the SHL teams, Rogle was also interested but that was before the draft. I wonder if he doesn’t want to play junior at all or wants to play for a team where he will be the clear top player in the specific role he wants.
 
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Brynas if one of the SHL teams, Rogle was also interested but that was before the draft. I wonder if he doesn’t want to play junior at all or wants to play for a team where he will be the clear top player in the specific role he wants.
i think Kitchener is very good this year, even then I would think mesar would at worst be their 2nd best forward
 

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That would be less likely in the SHL than the OHL.
He may have stated he doesn’t want to play here but he has stated he wants to play in NA. Unless he flys the coop to Europe, he’ll play where the Habs want him to play.

Obviously, the role in Brynas as many of their team fans say would probably only be top 9, as they have top 6 wingers already.
There it is. He’ll get top line minutes in all situations in Kitchener.

And with the Rangers slated to contend this year, he could be involved in a long playoff run. Makes 100% sense to play here if top six minutes aren’t available in Laval.
 

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I’m pretty sure they would sort it out. For me, Serpa being a right shot, could play right wing on one of the top two lines.

We have a ton of centers on this team, a few of which will have to play positions on the wing. I figure until or unless we make a high-end addition upfront, our top six would be:

Rehkopf. Pinelli. Serpa.
Martin. Mesar. Valade.

That’s with Mesar at center. These six can be mixed and matched but for me, we’d really have two #1 lines playing a ton of minutes.
That top 6, plus solid D, plus Parsons in net... Yikes!
 

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NHL main camps: Schmidt - Tampa Bay, Motew - Washington Capitals, Valade and Hamara - Ottawa Senators
Pinelli of course - LA Kings,

Great to see Serpa getting a look in Chicago and Mitch Martin in Detroit.
 

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Rangers acquire Kyle Morey….weird with depth on forward the Rangers have.
 
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