Kitchener Rangers 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[EvenSteven]

Nicely outlined. Then it just becomes a matter of scouting / drafting well in the spring of 2023. My advice would be to make sure the Ranger scout who covers the SCTA league gets locked out of the room on draft day .

If we’re able to keep those three picks, we’d have five picks in the first 50 or so picks in that draft.

I’d go two forwards and two D. I’d use the first 3rd rounder on the best goalie available.

No uncertain flyers on any of these picks! These guys have to be reports.

 

[OMG67]

If we’re able to keep those three picks, we’d have five picks in the first 50 or so picks in that draft.

I’d go two forwards and two D. I’d use the first 3rd rounder on the best goalie available.

No uncertain flyers on any of these picks! These guys have to be reports.

The challenge in keeping those picks is they are typicalmly more valuable for team on the rebuild selling assets. They want the picks now because they need the physical players as opposed to trade asset. That may not be the case for Saginaw and Kingston but you have to imagine a team like Guelph will want the earlier picks and will pay less in total picks if they are sooner rather than later.

Ottawa has both the Guelph and Niagara 2nd rounder in the 2023 draft. You can best bet those picks will be the target for any teams looking to deal and Ottawa will use those picks to lessen the total pick value in return.

 

[EvenSteven]

The challenge in keeping those picks is they are typicalmly more valuable for team on the rebuild selling assets. They want the picks now because they need the physical players as opposed to trade asset. That may not be the case for Saginaw and Kingston but you have to imagine a team like Guelph will want the earlier picks and will pay less in total picks if they are sooner rather than later.

Ottawa has both the Guelph and Niagara 2nd rounder in the 2023 draft. You can best bet those picks will be the target for any teams looking to deal and Ottawa will use those picks to lessen the total pick value in return.

True.

But

a) I’d rather add an extra pick, a distant 2nd or 3rd to keep the 2nd in 23. Easy to recoup the distant pick at a later date.

And

b) if you’re dealing with a team who looks to be all in next year, say Saginaw for example, a 2nd in 23 is no good to them to use as an asset to build next year’s team in trade as that pick will be a player, post 23 draft, that can’t be moved.
Sure they could demand the 2nd in 23 then trade it for more picks in the week leading up to the draft, but just as easy to accept, in place of the 2nd in 23, a distant 2nd plus another distant 2nd or 3rd.

 

[GeoBlue]

Good post Even. Keeping some high end picks going forward is always a good plan to keep teams in the mix each season. It's a fact MM is trying to do something to get this squad into the playoffs for a run. Love to hear what he offered for Zito.

Zito went for ........
Michael Podolioukh
SBY 3 2023
NB 2 2026
KGN 2 2026
NB 3 2025*
KIT 5 2025*

I feel that is an over payment in itself.

 

[OMG67]

True.

But

a) I’d rather add an extra pick, a distant 2nd or 3rd to keep the 2nd in 23. Easy to recoup the distant pick at a later date.

And

b) if you’re dealing with a team who looks to be all in next year, say Saginaw for example, a 2nd in 23 is no good to them to use as an asset to build next year’s team in trade as that pick will be a player, post 23 draft, that can’t be moved.
Sure they could demand the 2nd in 23 then trade it for more picks in the week leading up to the draft, but just as easy to accept, in place of the 2nd in 23, a distant 2nd plus another distant 2nd or 3rd.

That’s why I said Saginaw and Kingston may be the exception.

However, if you are competing with Ottawa for Morrison, as an example, If Ottawa is willing to give NIA 2nd in 2023, and Kitchener is not willing to give 2023 picks then odds are pretty good your phone line goes dead quick. That is really the point I am making in that regard.

We are understand that not all picks are equal and some team may target picks further in the future as a strategic move but generally speaking, picks in the following draft have a higher value than ones further out.

We were surprised when we got a 2nd included in the deal for Teddy Sawyer until we saw it was a pick in the 2026 draft. No way we get a 2nd for Sawyer in the 2023 draft.

Some teams may want volume of picks and if that is the case, a team like Ottawa can do that too but Ottawa’s (and Barrie for that matter) have the abundance and quality of picks in earlier drafts which will likely give them an advantage. Generally speaking.

Zito went for ........
Michael Podolioukh
SBY 3 2023
NB 2 2026
KGN 2 2026
NB 3 2025*
KIT 5 2025*

I feel that is an over payment in itself.

I don’t think so when you consider the 2nd rounders are in 2026. And the conditionals are likely for an OA season. Pretty cheap OA if he returns.

Zito is a good player. Maybe not two 2nds in 2023 good but good nonetheless.

 

[EvenSteven]

Geez. I would have liked him here. Especially at that price. Would have really shored up our middle six.

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[MVarley]

Guess we are going for it now lol Francesco Arcuri headed our way

 

[2023]

Why is Kitchener a buyer? They are two points out of being out of a playoff spot? The few games I've seen the play against Windsor, the Spits skated circles around them.

They just bought Arcuri

 

[StingUpdates]

Wow two 2nds, three 3rds + 5th. Bonus tho not giving up a young player at least.

GM really putting faith in a turn around. Hard not to see it happening now. Your T6 is easily amongst the best in the league. Ton of talent.

 

[bobber]

Rangers acquire OHL leading goal scorer Francesco Arcuri​

In the trade, the Rangers acquire OHL leading goal scorer and forward Francesco Arcuri (pronounced fran-chess-koh, our-kurr-ee). In return, the Rangers trade Saginaw’s third-round pick in the 2023 OHL Priority Selection, Barrie’s second-round pick in the 2024 OHL Priority Selection, Barrie’s third-round pick in the 2025 OHL Priority Selection, Kitchener’s second-round pick in the 2026 OHL Priority Selection, Mississauga’s third-round pick in the 2026 OHL Priority Selection and a conditional fifth-round pick in the 2026 OHL Priority Selection.

 

[EvenSteven]

Rangers acquire OHL leading goal scorer Francesco Arcuri​

In the trade, the Rangers acquire OHL leading goal scorer and forward Francesco Arcuri (pronounced fran-chess-koh, our-kurr-ee). In return, the Rangers trade Saginaw’s third-round pick in the 2023 OHL Priority Selection, Barrie’s second-round pick in the 2024 OHL Priority Selection, Barrie’s third-round pick in the 2025 OHL Priority Selection, Kitchener’s second-round pick in the 2026 OHL Priority Selection, Mississauga’s third-round pick in the 2026 OHL Priority Selection and a conditional fifth-round pick in the 2026 OHL Priority Selection.

I like the acquisition. But there goes one of those picks I didn’t wanna give up.

 

[Ward Cornell]

Im still not close to being convinced....sorry folks.

 

[EvenSteven]

Im still not close to being convinced....sorry folks.

How about if Mike can add a middle six forward? Could we get Braden Bowman from Guelph (or comparable) to play on our middle six without having to give up too much to get him?

And at some point, we’re going to have to move out a couple excess forwards. Can’t have 16 or 17 forwards on the roster.

 

[ottsabrefan]

Great pickup! If you are not convinced look at his playoff stats from last year! Sad to see him go but excited to see he is going to a great organization!

 

[TheBlueMonster]

Im still not close to being convinced....sorry folks.

Same.

For me though, this isn't a talent issue. It's still a coaching issue for me.


I am all in for Mike McKenzie doing what he thinks is best for the club. Ill be even more in if he just took the bench back and started coaching again as well.

BTW, I know we've had our questions on this board about GM MM, but holy getting this player and not giving up a player in return is highway robbery.

Gives us a bit of an in if Shane Wright is returned to the OHL as well.

 

[EvenSteven]

Same.

For me though, this isn't a talent issue. It's still a coaching issue for me.


I am all in for Mike McKenzie doing what he thinks is best for the club. Ill be even more in if he just took the bench back and started coaching again as well.

BTW, I know we've had our questions on this board about GM MM, but holy getting this player and not giving up a player in return is highway robbery.

Gives us a bit of an in if Shane Wright is returned to the OHL as well.

We are out of assets when it comes to acquiring Shane Wright. Unless they want to include Rehkopf. And I’m not going there.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Just an interesting tidbit, Arcuri and Schmidt were teammates on that amazing Don Mills Flyers team that beat Pinelli's team in the OHL Cup finals.

 

[bobber]

Im still not close to being convinced....sorry folks.

Me either Ward. Just afraid the Rangers win the battle and lose the war. It's MMs legacy on the line here. Hope it works out and we see some surprising hockey. Live for today I guess.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Im still not close to being convinced....sorry folks.

As long as they're seller's next year, I'm fine with trying it. Certainly not convinced and still think we need trades that shuffle the makeup of the bottom 6. Need a harder to play against 3rd line, and a 4th line that teams hate playing against to be in the conversation, and even then jury will still be out on the coach until proven otherwise.

 

[Ward Cornell]

Same.

For me though, this isn't a talent issue. It's still a coaching issue for me.

Exactly....Chris Dennis basically has a fully loaded arsenal now so there cant be any excuses.

 

[RangerNation]

Im still not close to being convinced....sorry folks.

I'll hold judgements until the new players are in the lineup and we see some games with new lines. We won't truly get a sense until after the WJ's though

 

[Ward Cornell]

As long as they're seller's next year, I'm fine with trying it. Certainly not convinced and still think we need trades that shuffle the makeup of the bottom 6. Need a harder to play against 3rd line, and a 4th line that teams hate playing against to be in the conversation, and even then jury will still be out on the coach until proven otherwise.

Even in a "Buy Year" a GM can always sell to recoup some of the pics.

Agree with your assessment!

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Exactly....Chris Dennis basically has a fully loaded arsenal now so there cant be any excuses.

Have to think MM takes the Coach mantle once more if Dennis can't manage with this lineup

 

[Ward Cornell]

Have to think MM takes the Coach mantle once more if Dennis can't manage with this lineup

I dunno...wish he would but he may have fiscal pressures from above not to this early in the coaches contract. But if this continues the fiscal pressures may be from dwindling attendance.

 

[RangerNation]

Have to think MM takes the Coach mantle once more if Dennis can't manage with this lineup

It worked once before!