Kitchener Rangers 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 5)

[WorkHardEveryShift]

I think you mean 2005s. It is a vague rule when you consider this.

Look at their roster for the regular season. 7 2006's signed

Work hard….did those 7 players all play on some nights? Im wondering if it’s a rule like you can have as many signed as you want but only X amount can play each game.

No. They never dressed more than 4. And some of those 06's were signed late (December) after developing in other leagues

 

[GeoBlue]

Work hard….did those 7 players all play on some nights? Im wondering if it’s a rule like you can have as many signed as you want but only X amount can play each game.

That's what I am maybe thinking.............Similar to the OA rule.

 

[ohloutsider]

Something else that is going to matter eventually is the number of gold packages a team can have on their roster. I thought it was 7 at one point?

1st rounders get them plus anyone higher end that we’d need to get pen to paper. Did we have to give Lam and Stark gold packages to get them to sign? I’m thinking we may have.

To date, we probably have Rehkopf, Reid, Romano, Lam, and Stark signed to gold packages. If Brady Martin ever happened, that’s another. Ditto Hage. If Longacre had a change of heart, would we need to offer him one to get him here?

Then there’s our ‘24 1st rounder to consider.

Rehkopf’s would swap out for the 1st rounder coming the other way in any deal.

But if the number is seven, we may have issues down the road.

Is Rehkopf a high enough talent to warrent a 1st rounder coming back? I'd didn't see that in him but you guys are a little closer so maybe I'm missing something? My guess would be a 2nd and 3rd would get you Rehkopf with maybe a roll player? Teams moving their 1st rounders this year were short on draft picks so maybe a like deal will get you a 1st rounder? Who knows.

 

[Jives]

2 year of Rehkopf is worth way more then a 2nd, 3rd and role player. He was 17 years old last year and put up 30 goals and close to a point per game.

 

[ohloutsider]

2 year of Rehkopf is worth way more then a 2nd, 3rd and role player. He was 17 years old last year and put up 30 goals and close to a point per game.

Ya forgot about the 2year part. Why would you not keep him one more year to keep the team a little more stable and then move him at 19? Seems to be more of the league standard.

 

[Jives]

1. You would get more for him with 2 years of service left then 1.

2. You always risk the case of severe injury and then maybe you can get nothing for him as a 19 year old.

3. This would give the kids more ice time.

4. You probably want to finish as low as possible next season to get a really high 1st rounder….Rehkopf on your team is going to make the team better.

The only reason the Rangers would keep him is to try and make the playoffs next season. This to me is a big no no. The pros of trading him FAR out way the cons.

 

[RangerNation]

All on-ice sessions are to be held at the Dom Cardillo Arena inside the Aud (free and open to the public).

Tonight: 6pm – Team Blue practice & on-ice testing 7pm – Team White practice & on-ice testing

 

[ohloutsider]

1. You would get more for him with 2 years of service left then 1.

2. You always risk the case of severe injury and then maybe you can get nothing for him as a 19 year old.

3. This would give the kids more ice time.

4. You probably want to finish as low as possible next season to get a really high 1st rounder….Rehkopf on your team is going to make the team better.

The only reason the Rangers would keep him is to try and make the playoffs next season. This to me is a big no no. The pros of trading him FAR out way the cons.

I agree with 1
2 is literally everytime the kids step on the ice including practice time. Should not weigh in the decision.
3 you need to shelter kids minutes. You can ruin good kids by having them shell shocked every night. Need some vets around them.
I agree with 4 with making the playoffs not being a goal but going 3-65 is not what you want either.

 

[EvenSteven]

Bottom line, we’re not contending next year so no point in keeping a player of that calibre only to move him when we won’t contend again the following year. Trade him this year to maximize return.

IMO, we should be giving this good Ranger an opportunity to win a championship next year in a season where this league is hosting.

No, you don’t wanna go 3–65, so you maybe bring in the odd secondary veteran at a cheap price to provide some jam and leadership.

 

[rangersblues]

Where Rehkopf stands right now I would say he's definitely worth a more than the 2nd, 3rd, role player but not likely a first round player either. It's so rare those are traded.

That could all change as the season goes on depending on Rehkopfs start to the season.

 

[EvenSteven]

Where Rehkopf stands right now I would say he's definitely worth a more than the 2nd, 3rd, role player but not likely a first round player either. It's so rare those are traded.

That could all change as the season goes on depending on Rehkopfs start to the season.

The only way I move 1.5 years of this player, is for a ‘23 1st rounder +++. Period.

I’m not gifting him to a contender only to have that team sell him off the next season for the same return.

By the time the ‘24 deadline arrives Rehkopf should be working on a 40+ goal season.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

If Brady Martin doesn’t become defective, he'd be off the table - obviously.

Moving Rehkopf this year should bring us another 07 - hopefully a D.

Especially if they’re trading for Mitchell Martin, Sudbury has better OA options than Tourre who, like Hollett, I believe bounced around the lineup when he dressed last year. I’m thinking they’d be looking for a landing spot for him.

Coming here with us rebuilding makes sense the same way Mutter coming here did.

Someone from the Sudbury board may be able to help us out on this, but I have D- Anania, and F’s Larmand, McCallum and Boudreau ahead of Tourre on their OA depth chart.

There’s rumblings that McCallum may want a trade south which would make some room for Martin.

With only one year of OHLexperience playing and 3 plus months being coached by DM,Toure’s game grew! He is a pro level skater and is a nasty piece of business. IMO, there maybe a chance he hears his name called in upcoming NHL draft. Not sure we’d be willing to move him, but who knows. Lots of stuff in the air this time of year. All our OAs bring something to table: Larmand is good on the dot and PK (teammates luv him) but undisciplined. Boudreau is also great PK guy and excellent skater grinder type guy that is trusted and an overall honest 200ft player. Boudreau is a DM type player. McCallum is a rat that had over 60 pts last year. Tough and also great on PP/PK and dot. Had a history of undisciplined penalties but a ton of growth after DM came in after Christmas. Hard to trust him but also hard to move him. Anania is a lock to be back, he does everything really well and tough as nails. Tough decisions ahead.

 

[EvenSteven]

With only one year of OHLexperience playing and 3 plus months being coached by DM,Toure’s game grew! He is a pro level skater and is a nasty piece of business. IMO, there maybe a chance he hears his name called in upcoming NHL draft. Not sure we’d be willing to move him, but who knows. Lots of stuff in the air this time of year. All our OAs bring something to table: Larmand is good on the dot and PK (teammates luv him) but undisciplined. Boudreau is also great PK guy and excellent skater grinder type guy that is trusted and an overall honest 200ft player. Boudreau is a DM type player. McCallum is a rat that had over 60 pts last year. Tough and also great on PP/PK and dot. Had a history of undisciplined penalties but a ton of growth after DM came in after Christmas. Hard to trust him but also hard to move him. Anania is a lock to be back, he does everything really well and tough as nails. Tough decisions ahead.

Has me wondering if you even have room for a Mitchell Martin.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

Has me wondering if you even have room for a Mitchell Martin.

Furthermore, we may be looking for a proven starter in net…going to be interesting over the next few months

 

[bobber]

Look at their roster for the regular season. 7 2006's signed



No. They never dressed more than 4. And some of those 06's were signed late (December) after developing in other leagues

Signing and playing are two different things but its great they signed so many.

 

[Ward Cornell]

1. You would get more for him with 2 years of service left then 1.

2. You always risk the case of severe injury and then maybe you can get nothing for him as a 19 year old.

3. This would give the kids more ice time.

4. You probably want to finish as low as possible next season to get a really high 1st rounder….Rehkopf on your team is going to make the team better.

The only reason the Rangers would keep him is to try and make the playoffs next season. This to me is a big no no. The pros of trading him FAR out way the cons.

Plus the haul would be a lot better from his new team since they probably could then trade CR after next season to recoup some of the picks they traded away.

 

[EvenSteven]

Plus the haul would be a lot better from his new team since they probably could then trade CR after next season to recoup some of the picks they traded away.

Just keep an eye on Owen Beck if he’s moved this year once he’s returned.

That’s my Rehkopf trade comparable. Beck probably returns to the Petes what we paid to get Arcuri or Zhilkin.

 

[Gondrex]

Don't say "core four". It's asinine and a recipe for failure. Leafs getting blown up after this year.

Point definitely taken.
Still, I'd probably take the Leaf's (currently underperforming) group over the infamous Quinte Four of the past .

 

[K2]

Haven't heard a thing about this kid since the Rangers drafted him. Other than he was defected and injured in some manner.

Hage reported to the Chicago Steel and was injured (torn labrum) after being checked to the boards in August during a ‘non official practice’ before training camp.

Committed to University of Michigan in early December.

Hage remained off almost 7 months until returning to play March 10th and recorded his first point with an assist on March 19th. Played in 19 games, incl playoffs, and tallied 12 points (6G/6A).

 

[Coaches Coroner]

1. You would get more for him with 2 years of service left then 1.

2. You always risk the case of severe injury and then maybe you can get nothing for him as a 19 year old.

3. This would give the kids more ice time.

4. You probably want to finish as low as possible next season to get a really high 1st rounder….Rehkopf on your team is going to make the team better.

The only reason the Rangers would keep him is to try and make the playoffs next season. This to me is a big no no. The pros of trading him FAR out way the cons.

or you keep him to stagger your returns if not enough teams are willing to give up their 1st round picked player. You need to get a big return on both, Brz has to be next year, so you delay the Rehkopf trade to the next year so you have 2 really good drafts instead of one great one. Also means when those drafted players come of age, you'll have multiple years of potential sell offs instead of 1 where you have a surpluse of talent (potentially) to trade and get nickles on the dime.

 

[Purple Phart]

Something else that is going to matter eventually is the number of gold packages a team can have on their roster. I thought it was 7 at one point?

1st rounders get them plus anyone higher end that we’d need to get pen to paper. Did we have to give Lam and Stark gold packages to get them to sign? I’m thinking we may have.

To date, we probably have Rehkopf, Reid, Romano, Lam, and Stark signed to gold packages. If Brady Martin ever happened, that’s another. Ditto Hage. If Longacre had a change of heart, would we need to offer him one to get him here?

Then there’s our ‘24 1st rounder to consider.

Rehkopf’s would swap out for the 1st rounder coming the other way in any deal.

But if the number is seven, we may have issues down the road.

Get creative and start offering platinum packages ( no limits on those ) or cubic zirconia packages ( they're almost as good as diamonds ) or hire on one of those draft pick's dads as an assistant coach/consultant. Anyone remember Sam Gagner/Dave Gager with the Knights ???

Point is creativity can afford plenty of options, and all the league can say is no.....but maybe they won't.

 

[EvenSteven]

or you keep him to stagger your returns if not enough teams are willing to give up their 1st round picked player. You need to get a big return on both, Brz has to be next year, so you delay the Rehkopf trade to the next year so you have 2 really good drafts instead of one great one. Also means when those drafted players come of age, you'll have multiple years of potential sell offs instead of 1 where you have a surpluse of talent (potentially) to trade and get nickles on the dime.

I get that. Makes a lot of sense.

But, I may be more inclined to move Rehkopf next year for the 1st round pick. But there’s a possibility that nobody will move their 1st next year. If that 1st is not available, and in place of it, we’re able to gain its equivalent as part of the package, including 2nds for the ‘24 draft, we would still accomplish what you’re saying.

Based on where we picked Lam and Stark, there are good finds to be had outside the 1st round. Going into the ‘24 draft with what should be a high 1st rounder plus, say, two or three 2nds in that draft, we should still have a very good ‘08 group to go with the 07’s.

For example, to date, Guelph has no 2nds in ‘24. That means a Rehkopf trade to Guelph should mean Beauchesne needs to be in the deal. But Sudbury does have 2nds in ‘24. Ours and Niagara’s no less. Those two will be very early in the second round. I could stomach a package from Sudbury that didn’t include their 1st, but that did include those two 2nds, ++++.

That would give us our high 1st and those two 2nds which should mean the beginning of a strong ‘08 draft class.

 

[Gondrex]

With only one year of OHLexperience playing and 3 plus months being coached by DM,Toure’s game grew! He is a pro level skater and is a nasty piece of business. IMO, there maybe a chance he hears his name called in upcoming NHL draft. Not sure we’d be willing to move him, but who knows. Lots of stuff in the air this time of year. All our OAs bring something to table: Larmand is good on the dot and PK (teammates luv him) but undisciplined. Boudreau is also great PK guy and excellent skater grinder type guy that is trusted and an overall honest 200ft player. Boudreau is a DM type player. McCallum is a rat that had over 60 pts last year. Tough and also great on PP/PK and dot. Had a history of undisciplined penalties but a ton of growth after DM came in after Christmas. Hard to trust him but also hard to move him. Anania is a lock to be back, he does everything really well and tough as nails. Tough decisions ahead.

Thanks for the info WW. Question if you're still hanging around here. Assuming Martin goes to the Wolves, do you have a feel for which one(s) from your list may be most available? - preferably a guy with grit and leadership qualities .......oh, and won't cost an arm and a leg . Just curious.

 

[Voice from the North]

If Brady Martin doesn’t become defective, he'd be off the table - obviously.

Moving Rehkopf this year should bring us another 07 - hopefully a D.

Especially if they’re trading for Mitchell Martin, Sudbury has better OA options than Tourre who, like Hollett, I believe bounced around the lineup when he dressed last year. I’m thinking they’d be looking for a landing spot for him.

Coming here with us rebuilding makes sense the same way Mutter coming here did.

Someone from the Sudbury board may be able to help us out on this, but I have D- Anania, and F’s Larmand, McCallum and Boudreau ahead of Tourre on their OA depth chart.

There’s rumblings that McCallum may want a trade south which would make some room for Martin.

Anania and MacCallum are definitely rated higher in the pecking order than Toure while the other listed potential OAs are good players but Martin would represent an upgrade over them. Toure would be a solid OA defenseman for any team.

There are indeed rumblings about MacCallum and he’ll get a lot more interest then he has for the past two years

 

[Voice from the North]

Thanks for the info WW. Question if you're still hanging around here. Assuming Martin goes to the Wolves, do you have a feel for which one(s) from your list may be most available? - preferably a guy with grit and leadership qualities .......oh, and won't cost an arm and a leg . Just curious.

Someone like Boudreau or Larmand would fit your bill. Hard workers, good in the room, good everywhere on the ice. Probable cost anywhere from a 3-6 round pick