Kitchener Rangers 2019-20 Season Thread (Part 2)

[Tim Wallach]

I'm a Ranger fan and STH, that was a blatant slew foot and probably 5 games

In first viewing I would agree. In several replays I do not. No kicking motion taking out the legs. He had an exceptionally wide stance and the contact was upper leg on upper leg.

Without getting explicit about the definition of slew footing and intent, I'll just leave it at I agree to disagree.

 

[GeoBlue]

What’s the difference between complaining about Joey‘s defensive miss cues and having to put up with the vast amount of defensive miscues the current team is displaying. At least with Joey, our power-play may have been a lot better.

There really was no rush to run out and spend on a third OA this season. Everyone keeps talking about how we have to wait to the quarter pole or beyond to find out who we are as a team. That, to go towards a decision whether we’re buying or not.

We've now spent assets on Hawel, and do we really know who we are yet? Same thing last year. An opening in the import position appears and there’s a rush to fill it before we know who we are.

Last time I checked, you’re allowed to go into the season with less than three OA’s and less than two imports. They’ll let you play the games! No need to rush to spend assets just because.

.............especially, as it has been said on these boards, since it is a seller's market.

 

[Billyjack]

In first viewing I would agree. In several replays I do not. No kicking motion taking out the legs. He had an exceptionally wide stance and the contact was upper leg on upper leg.

Without getting explicit about the definition of slew footing and intent, I'll just leave it at I agree to disagree.

Fair enough, we'll see what the league see's . I'm hoping you're right

 

[Billyjack]

I hope they sell, sell , sell if they can get 2 or 3 good young players and some picks. Don't think Rangers are going anywhere this year but early golfing

 

[Mein Yak]

Just some ideas. These next 14 games are very important, win 10 and looks like we might have turned it around. Lose 10 and I agree that we should sell. If we look at potential places where Damiani could go, the possible return looks very good. Apparently SBY is willing to part ways with Landon McCallum. Maybe Flint could be talked into departing with Brennan Othmann. PBO should be willing to depart with J.R. Avon considering they would still have McTavish. What about LDN, Stuart Rolofs has only played 4 games for them and he is not injured. OTT Jack Matier could seen as expandable. If SAG is so desperate to finish what they started last year could they be willing to part ways with Connor Punnett. Plus if you look at this years draft looks to have two top centres that we build around. Especially Adam Fantilli, he played along side Pinelli last year and they had great chemistry.

 

[Tim Wallach]

Fair enough, we'll see what the league see's . I'm hoping you're right

It's the OHL. I expect 15 games

 

[GobigorGohome]

Was at the game today
You guys were the better team.

 

[bobber]

I don't know why the Rangers waste the gas money for the drive to London. 0-6 last year alone. Talk about rolling over for a rival. They go in expecting to lose. And they always achieve what they believe.

I think Hunter reads the Rangers system like a book. He just seems to be able to make needed ajustments when they are called for at different times during the game. Had the Rangers number for years.

 

[EvenSteven]

Just some ideas. These next 14 games are very important, win 10 and looks like we might have turned it around. Lose 10 and I agree that we should sell. If we look at potential places where Damiani could go, the possible return looks very good. Apparently SBY is willing to part ways with Landon McCallum. Maybe Flint could be talked into departing with Brennan Othmann. PBO should be willing to depart with J.R. Avon considering they would still have McTavish. What about LDN, Stuart Rolofs has only played 4 games for them and he is not injured. OTT Jack Matier could seen as expandable. If SAG is so desperate to finish what they started last year could they be willing to part ways with Connor Punnett. Plus if you look at this years draft looks to have two top centres that we build around. Especially Adam Fantilli, he played along side Pinelli last year and they had great chemistry.

I don’t think Damiani is high end enough to get us someone’s 2019 1st rounder. He’s a tier below that. That said, as one of the best two way centers in the league, he’d have good value on the trade market just the same

 

[GeoBlue]

I think Hunter reads the Rangers system like a book. He just seems to be able to make needed ajustments when they are called for at different times during the game. Had the Rangers number for years.

Easy to do when the book does not change for years.

 

[GeoBlue]

I'm a Ranger fan and STH, that was a blatant slew foot and probably 5 games

Sounds like another 5-15 games without our "top 6". Getting the feeling we will rarely see our full lineup this year. Time to sell?

 

[EvenSteven]

Sounds like another 5-15 games without our "top 6". Getting the feeling we will rarely see our full lineup this year. Time to sell?

If we’re supposed to be contending, we really only have four top 6 players.

 

[EvenSteven]

.............especially, as it has been said on these boards, since it is a seller's market.

A seller’s market regarding 19 year olds but maybe not so much for OA’s.

In my opinion, the Ranger’s have probably three of the top four or five OA’s who may be put on the market this season. The question is, do teams want to pay the price for our high-end OA’s or would they be just as inclined to acquire an OA one tier below our OA’s at half the price.

If that winds up being the case, we will be left with the decision to either sell one or more of our OA’s at $.50 on the dollar, or stand pat. In my opinion, the only way I would stand pat, is if we already had a fully stocked draft cupboard. Unfortunately, we do not.

Therefore, $.50 on the dollar may be worth more to us down the road then watching these guys graduate, getting nothing in return. Expecting to try to contend next year or the year with not much in the way of assets in the draft cupboard is a fool’s game.

 

[EvenSteven]

I hope they sell, sell , sell if they can get 2 or 3 good young players and some picks. Don't think Rangers are going anywhere this year but early golfing

The players that we would sell are the three OA’s and likely Damiani. Historically, for OA’s, the return is usually just picks. For example, Hawel came to us for two 2nds and a 3rd.

Damiani could bring a young player but just not someone’s 2019 1st rounder. Perhaps, as I suggested on here last week, an expendable but good ‘02 may be had for Damiani’s services. My example was a deal where Damiani and Flint’s Evan Vierling could be the principles.

 

[Rangers True Blue]

I'm getting tired of "it's the players fault". It's time for the coaching staff to step up OR step away. We have two D that get National attention......Sebrango and Vuks......actually three because Motew was on a younger U.S. National team. Bergkvist is an NHL draft pick.........and we all know what Ottaveinen can bring. Mac's a steady stay-at-homer....and X well he's X. And not to forget Rupoli who's seemingly a forward now. YET.....the D is an issue?? With two former NHL D on the coaching staff??? I'm baffled beyond belief. Just maybe......it's a coaching issue not the players.

 

[Fischhaber]

I think Hunter reads the Rangers system like a book. He just seems to be able to make needed ajustments when they are called for at different times during the game. Had the Rangers number for years.

McKee had better watch some tape of the Greyhounds. It's been 4 years since they lost a game to London (12 straight).

 

[MatthewsMoustache]

Just some ideas. These next 14 games are very important, win 10 and looks like we might have turned it around. Lose 10 and I agree that we should sell. If we look at potential places where Damiani could go, the possible return looks very good. Apparently SBY is willing to part ways with Landon McCallum. Maybe Flint could be talked into departing with Brennan Othmann. PBO should be willing to depart with J.R. Avon considering they would still have McTavish. What about LDN, Stuart Rolofs has only played 4 games for them and he is not injured. OTT Jack Matier could seen as expandable. If SAG is so desperate to finish what they started last year could they be willing to part ways with Connor Punnett. Plus if you look at this years draft looks to have two top centres that we build around. Especially Adam Fantilli, he played along side Pinelli last year and they had great chemistry.

I think they would be better to add an 02 and build around that core group of guys that is one of the better ones in the league. they are set to contend in 2021-22 when Valade, McDonnell, Langdon, Sebrango, Serpa & Ottavainen (if he plays a 3rd year) are 4th year of eligibility guys. that said, I would like to see an 02 d man added as a safety net if Ottavainen is gone after the 2 years

 

[OhSheila]

Another Yantsis penalty during a power play. It keeps happening. Momentum killing, selfish penalties.

Let him do his scoring 5 on 5.

 

[MatthewsMoustache]

there's 10 games until the Christmas break and 6 games after the break before trade deadline. the clock is ticking for this team to figure out "who they are". the injuries can only be an excuse for so long. if no one can step up and take on a top 6 role in October or November with injuries, what's gonna happen if someone goes down in April?

the defence is in shambles on a nightly basis. I'm not a coach, but having your 2 best stay at home guys playing together (Vuk and MacPherson) while the 2 biggest risk takers play together (Sebrango and Bergkvist) doesn't make sense to me, but it's obviously much more complex. as much as the defence core looks nice on paper, they are sure missing the presence of Kyle Gentles and Cole Cameron.

 

[MatthewsMoustache]

Another Yantsis penalty during a power play. It keeps happening. Momentum killing, selfish penalties.

Let him do his scoring 5 on 5.

Thank you. if Declan McDonnell or Reid Valade (who's been scoring most of his goals in front of the net tipping and collecting garbage) can do Yantsis' PP job half as good as he does, the powerplay is fine and doesn't turn into a PK as much as it is now. Yantsis will score regardless of if he's on the PP or not. there needs to be more repercussion for that, not just sitting him for half a period

 

[EvenSteven]

I think they would be better to add an 02 and build around that core group of guys that is one of the better ones in the league. they are set to contend in 2021-22 when Valade, McDonnell, Langdon, Sebrango, Serpa & Ottavainen (if he plays a 3rd year) are 4th year of eligibility guys. that said, I would like to see an 02 d man added as a safety net if Ottavainen is gone after the 2 years

Hence my thought about a deal where Damiani and ‘02 Vierling are the principles of a deal. Damiani may not be enough. Add one of the OA’s and get Vierling and picks back. Any of our OA’s would be an improvement to their OA group. Phibbs the odd man out.

Flint, I feel, will go all in hard. They’ve already started in trading for Lalonde. They have lots of assets to move. They have a fan base to have to try to keep happy. This is the first year since moving there that they have a very good team. They have some high end players that are ready to graduate and they may want to pull out all the stops. That means maybe parting with Vierling, who is rumoured to have asked for a trade, might be the way they go.

 

[EvenSteven]

Thank you. if Declan McDonnell or Reid Valade (who's been scoring most of his goals in front of the net tipping and collecting garbage) can do Yantsis' PP job half as good as he does, the powerplay is fine and doesn't turn into a PK as much as it is now. Yantsis will score regardless of if he's on the PP or not. there needs to be more repercussion for that, not just sitting him for half a period

There will be plenty of PP time for Valade and MacDonnell if we sell off guys like Yantsis.

 

[Mein Yak]

I am currently on the fence about buying or selling however, I am opposed to staying pat. If we where to buy at this years deadline I suspect there is only one team where we can get a top notch guy and give up a lot. Serron Noel has been rumoured to be available because OSH is going to be putting a bid in for next years memorial cup. What I purpose is Noel and McShane to us in exchange for Langdon and Dickerson + draft picks then in the summer we complete the 2 part deal by sending Vuks back the other way for the draft picks. This gives OSH Langdon who is good defensive minded forward and one of the best defensive defence men in the league in Vuks. We benefit by getting two of the best forwards in these league to either play on the 3rd line together or mixing them into the top 6. Now what if we do a complete 180 and sell. For say we ship Miereles to LDN for Tymkin, Panwar and a 3rd. As mentioned previously by Even we trade Damiani and Yantsis to Flint for Vierling, 2x2nds (One of those 2nds being SSM in 2020) and 2x3rds. Then we trade Hawel OS for a 2nd and a 3rd. If we buy the coach can figure out how to make those lines work. If we sell I imagine our lines would look something like this 2021-2022 (when I see us as contenders).

Veirling-Pinelli-Valade
Langdon-Petizian-McDonnell
Panwar-Fishman-Stepien
na-Serpa-na

Sebrango-Ville
Motew-X
na-na

Goalie is not known as of yet. na means either import/free agent/draft picks/recruits. I am so torn on wether we should buy or sell. What are you’re guys opinions.

 

[GeoBlue]

It seems to be 75% of this board wants to sell. The way the Rangers have been playing thus far, I am asking for room on that wagon. I have always maintained to sit back and see where we are near the deadline. I think it has become apparent a bit sooner.

 

[EvenSteven]

I am currently on the fence about buying or selling however, I am opposed to staying pat. If we where to buy at this years deadline I suspect there is only one team where we can get a top notch guy and give up a lot. Serron Noel has been rumoured to be available because OSH is going to be putting a bid in for next years memorial cup. What I purpose is Noel and McShane to us in exchange for Langdon and Dickerson + draft picks then in the summer we complete the 2 part deal by sending Vuks back the other way for the draft picks. This gives OSH Langdon who is good defensive minded forward and one of the best defensive defence men in the league in Vuks. We benefit by getting two of the best forwards in these league to either play on the 3rd line together or mixing them into the top 6. Now what if we do a complete 180 and sell. For say we ship Miereles to LDN for Tymkin, Panwar and a 3rd. As mentioned previously by Even we trade Damiani and Yantsis to Flint for Vierling, 2x2nds (One of those 2nds being SSM in 2020) and 2x3rds. Then we trade Hawel OS for a 2nd and a 3rd. If we buy the coach can figure out how to make those lines work. If we sell I imagine our lines would look something like this 2021-2022 (when I see us as contenders).

Veirling-Pinelli-Valade
Langdon-Petizian-McDonnell
Panwar-Fishman-Stepien
na-Serpa-na

Sebrango-Ville
Motew-X
na-na

Goalie is not known as of yet. na means either import/free agent/draft picks/recruits. I am so torn on wether we should buy or sell. What are you’re guys opinions.

I’d try and at least get a 2nd in your London deal. Panwar is supposed to be high end but not proven enough to not get a 2nd instead of the 3rd.

It would be a kick in the teeth to only get a 2nd and 3rd for Hawel after the price we just paid for him, but as I pointed out earlier, 50 cents on the dollar/possible glut of OA’s etc etc.

One thing I’d do if I’m selling off is really really really press the appropriate people/do the research to find out if Ingham has a shot at an OA season. If he does, we keep him. But if not, I shop him. Teams like Sudbury and Saginaw would be interested.

The return we’d get for dealing these guys plus maybe Ingham would really set us up to contend next year. We try to pick a blue chip 01 or 02 in the import draft, deal for a couple more high end 01’s and still have assets enough to go all in the following year.

I feel by the time we get to 21-22, our 02’s and 03’s should be high end developed enough to not need massive veteran adds like we did two years ago - more like one or two pieces like we did in 08.

Your returns for our vets:
OA-F-Tymkin
‘02-C-Vierling
‘02-W-Panwar
2nd 2nd 2nd
3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd

Plus our current picks:

Three 2nds and nine 3rds.

Equals a deep 02 group and a full draft cupboard going into the next two years.