Value of: Kirill Kaprizov

[SI90]

Kaprizov for Barzal? Don’t know if either team does it but as an isles fan with Horvat I’d strongly consider it.

 

[n8]

Not a chance.

Newsflash: Minnesota isn’t trading a top 5 player. Neither are the clubs with other top 5 players.

why are you posting in a "just for fun" thread if that is your attitude?

 

[AKL]

Kaprizov for Barzal? Don’t know if either team does it but as an isles fan with Horvat I’d strongly consider it.

Yeah see that's an easy no from Minnesota because Barzal is a big downgrade

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Brock Boeser.

 

[Double Dion]

Rantanen is a far more complete player than Kaprizov. One could argue Mackinnon wasn't Mackinnon until Rantanen came along.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Elite franchise C is worth more than elite star winger. This is like saying Atlanta wouldn't trade Kovalchuk for Crosby in 2007

Is Hughes even a center? Seems more like Haula is the center on his line.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Rantanen is a far more complete player than Kaprizov. One could argue Mackinnon wasn't Mackinnon until Rantanen came along.

Rantanen better than Kaprizov is an absolute joke. So sorry that Rantanen has to “carry” MacKinnon as his center. Must be a really heavy weight compared to Kaprizov having to carry Hartman/Steel/Gaudreau.

 

[TBF1972]

Jack Hughes will not produce as much in a skill depleted team like Minnesota

jack's most common linemate is haula, aka blackhaula. on his stick the best scoring chances die.

Is Hughes even a center? Seems more like Haula is the center on his line.

haula takes the faceoffs. in every other situation jack is the center of the line.

 

[TBF1972]

Hischier + Nemec + 2023 1st?

Very good 2nd liner + top prospect + 1st.

Who says no and why?

KK and Hughes on the same line is going to be a problem for 31 NHL teams. Imagine trying to get the puck away from those two. Their Corsi for would be like 70%. I also suspect KK would resign with a tri state area team.

Minnesota gets a top six C. An A prospect on D and a low 1st in a strong draft.

Feels like each side is going to suffer with what they give up. Sign of a good trade IMO.

hopefully the devils.

the devils are build around the center duo of hughes/hischier. i wouldn't mess with that setup until proven that it doesn't work in the playoff format.

 

[Digitalbooya]

jack's most common linemate is haula, aka blackhaula. on his stick the best scoring chances die.


haula takes the faceoffs. in every other situation jack is the center of the line.

Are faceoffs not a key factor of being a center?

 

[TBF1972]

Are faceoffs not a key factor of being a center?

there are widely differing opinion on this. some think they are key. others disregard them completely but taking face offs definitely doesn't define the center role. if the refs send a player away from the dot and a winger takes the faceoff, does this inverse the roles for the shift?

 

[thestonedkoala]

The biggest concern with Hughes is his health.

 

[Digitalbooya]

there are widely differing opinion on this. some think they are key. others disregard them completely but taking face offs definitely doesn't define the center role. if the refs send a player away from the dot and a winger takes the faceoff, does this inverse the roles for the shift?

No, but it certainly is more valuable for a center to be the one taking faceoffs.

 

[Double Dion]

Rantanen better than Kaprizov is an absolute joke. So sorry that Rantanen has to “carry” MacKinnon as his center. Must be a really heavy weight compared to Kaprizov having to carry Hartman/Steel/Gaudreau.

Mackinnon went from 53 points to 99 as soon as he had Rantanen on his line. Rantanen is a complete player. Kaprizov is not.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Mackinnon went from 53 points to 99 as soon as he had Rantanen on his line. Rantanen is a complete player. Kaprizov is not.

You realize this is verifiably false, right?

16-17 MacKinnon and Rantanen had over 900 minutes played together.

Kaprizov is definitely better than Rantanen. The way you talk about Kaprizov makes me think that you’ve never seen him play.

Kaprizov took a player with a career high of 61 points and turn him into a ppg+ player in his twilight years. Hell, they both managed to turn Ryan Hartman into a 34 goal scorer with zero power play time. Hartman, the guy with a career high of 31 points prior to that.

 

[Double Dion]

You realize this is verifiably false, right?

16-17 MacKinnon and Rantanen had over 900 minutes played together.

Kaprizov is definitely better than Rantanen. The way you talk about Kaprizov makes me think that you’ve never seen him play.

Wait so you're saying Rantanen at 19 wasn't as good as Rantanen at 20? Shocking. Rantanen broke out at 20. He dominates with or without Mackinnon. Rantanen is easily the most underrated player in the league. He's the best forward on that team.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Wait so you're saying Rantanen at 19 wasn't as good as Rantanen at 20? Shocking. Rantanen broke out at 20. He dominates with or without Mackinnon. Rantanen is easily the most underrated player in the league. He's the best forward on that team.

Cool. He’s not better than Kaprizov.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Wait so you're saying Rantanen at 19 wasn't as good as Rantanen at 20? Shocking. Rantanen broke out at 20. He dominates with or without Mackinnon. Rantanen is easily the most underrated player in the league. He's the best forward on that team.

So you came into a Kaprizov thread to ballwash Mikko Rantanen? Weird.

 

[Grinner]

So you came into a Kaprizov thread to ballwash Mikko Rantanen? Weird.

 

[Double Dion]

Cool. He’s not better than Kaprizov.

My goodness. I get you guys are kind of fanboys, but try to be a bit objective.

So you came into a Kaprizov thread to ballwash Mikko Rantanen? Weird.

No, I was responding to a guy who said Rantanen wasn't at the same level as Kaprizov. He was actually correct. Rantanen is at a higher level.

 

[McJedi]

You realize this is verifiably false, right?

16-17 MacKinnon and Rantanen had over 900 minutes played together.

Kaprizov is definitely better than Rantanen. The way you talk about Kaprizov makes me think that you’ve never seen him play.

Kaprizov took a player with a career high of 61 points and turn him into a ppg+ player in his twilight years. Hell, they both managed to turn Ryan Hartman into a 34 goal scorer with zero power play time. Hartman, the guy with a career high of 31 points prior to that.

The Rants to KK comparison is close. They are both top 10 NHL wingers. The gap isn’t wide, it’s really close considering each guy is elite and the NHL has very few elite players.

Stop with the nonsense that one is definitely better.

Kaprizov for Barzal? Don’t know if either team does it but as an isles fan with Horvat I’d strongly consider it.

No way the Wild do this. NYI definitely adding here.

 

[Sota Popinski]

My goodness. I get you guys are kind of fanboys, but try to be a bit objective.


No, I was responding to a guy who said Rantanen wasn't at the same level as Kaprizov. He was actually correct. Rantanen is at a higher level.

Oh, I must have the person who posted that on ignore.

You're calling other people fanboys and asking them to be objective, but you haven't provided any evidence.

 

[Digitalbooya]

My goodness. I get you guys are kind of fanboys, but try to be a bit objective.

You’ve provided nothing to say that Rantanen is a better player. The stuff you tried to provide was factually incorrect. Do you expect me to just take your opinion as fact?

The Rants to KK comparison is close. They are both top 10 NHL wingers. The gap isn’t wide, it’s really close considering each guy is elite and the NHL has very few elite players.

Stop with the nonsense that one is definitely better.

Kaprizov scored 16 more points than Rantanen last year, 11 more goals and 5 more assists. That’s crazy considering the linemates for Rantanen were MacKinnon/Landekog/other and for Kaprizov they were Zuccarello/Hartman.

The fact that Kaprizov is maintaining the same pace as Rantanen this year with Sam Steel as his most played with center is flat out impressive.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

if I were the wild and there were no such thing as outside pressure, I would move Kaprizov, depending on what you could get back. Would make sense to get a player(s) who more aligns with Minnesota’s actual contention window.

 

[f7ben]

if I were the wild and there were no such thing as outside pressure, I would move Kaprizov, depending on what you could get back. Would make sense to get a player(s) who more aligns with Minnesota’s actual contention window.

I would have loved a Kap for Stutzle trade at the start of the year but now Stutzle slur has exceeded Kap by a fair bit