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Value of: Kirby Dach

TLEH said:
He never should have played as early as he did in the NHL, but he's just not that guy, mentally. Combine that with injuries and I'm not shocked he's struggling again.
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He actually looked better early on.
Seemed like a Monahan in the making.

Maybe injuries took a toll on him.
 
TFHockey said:
Another can't-miss-player whose stock has fallen from what I can tell.

Reacting badly to (appropriate) criticism by your coaches and GM isn't a recipe for success. That kind of thing rarely works out for any player.

Regardless if the Habs decide to move him now I can't see the return being anything more than "underwhelming".
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Yep, if you do perform and your coaches/GM are criticizing you, you might have a point.

But the way he's been playing since the beginning of the season, plus his body language/attitude/effort level that he has put on, he should just stfu and open his ears..

He's been given all sorts of opportunities, he's been given the rope... he just hanged himself with...

The guy was showing promises in 22-23 and the two games (plus pre season) that he played in 23-24.

But since his come back, he's looking like he's not even an NHL player.

Not offensive enough to be part of the top 6, and has none of the qualities to be an effective role player (not really physical, zero in defense, zero in intensity, zero in face offs, etc ..)

So right now he's basically just hope, hope that his injuries are the reasons why and that he can still put it all together...

But sincerely, with his attitude, hope is looking more and more like hopelessness...

The only hope he gets things back on track is him surfing Demidov talent next year, and producing secondary scoring doing so...

That's a lot of pressure on a 20 yo guy's shoulders though...
 
Kirby Dach kinda sucks. It's hard to say exactly why, because he can have moments when he looks good... but those moments are few and far between. There is a very apparent lack of consistency with him, and lack of production. There is no way he's a second liner on a cup-contending type team, and he's starting to be too old for there to be hidden offensive potential to unearth.

The only thing is that he had a terrible injury last year and maybe he's behind the curve developmentally, so he could theoretically still have an exponential type growth next year. But it's getting to the point where he's looking like a big hit and a miss for the Habs, and Frankie Nazar is starting to already look better than him.
 
Zegs2sendhelp said:
Dachs got little to no value
2nd has little value specially in a draft that is seeen as weak
Mailloux aint a conversation starter for clarke

Try again
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Mailloux + Calgary 1st + Armia/Evans?

Mailloux certainly has the physical tools to be as productive as Clark in the NHL. His offensive toolbox is full.

The thing with him is his decision making...
Defensively it can be an adventure and he's a brain fart machine, when not on his game.

But surely he has what it takes to be an NHLer.
Will he be a Sheldon Sourray or a type of guy you can play in all situations, if he gets his shit together with maturity, the jury is still out debating about him...

Armia/Evans would be a great addition for the playoffs in LA. Both are typical TD stuff for aspiring teams.

Calgary's 1st is actually around 15-16th, but they're +/- on a gradual downfall and them finishing around 11-13th (at the draft) is far from impossible.

In my book, my offer is quite fair...
 
Washed Up 29YearOld said:
Respectfully to Habs fans, I don't think many GMs will trade for Mailloux because of the potential backlash. Habs may be stuck with him until he proves a bit more.
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The backlash was in 2021...

Now the dust have fallen down and nobody really gives a shit.

The guy has paid his due and showed good will.

He was not 28, he was a 17 yo doing stupid things.
What he did was not petty, but he didn't rape nor killed the girl, he published suggestive pictures of her without her consent and bragged about it like the dick head he was.

But a guy can grow up, learn from that kind of experience and superficially, he seems to have just done that.

So I'd be surprised if this affects his value in an important manner. Maybe a little but nothing spectacular.

Cause in terms of hockey skills and size, he's got it all...
 
Dach trade was a swing and a miss. Perimeter players who can’t take criticism never amount to anything. Screwed Gm work by Chicago to ditch him that quickly.

Pro scouting failed the habs
 
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It’s Kirby, and he sucks.
 
Washed Up 29YearOld said:
Respectfully to Habs fans, I don't think many GMs will trade for Mailloux because of the potential backlash. Habs may be stuck with him until he proves a bit more.
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I don't think most people really give a shit. You'll have that small group of loud people who will be upset about it no matter how much he proves.

Irrelevant though. That offer is trash.
 
samsagat said:
Mailloux + Calgary 1st + Armia/Evans?

Mailloux certainly has the physical tools to be as productive as Clark in the NHL. His offensive toolbox is full.

The thing with him is his decision making...
Defensively it can be an adventure and he's a brain fart machine, when not on his game.

But surely he has what it takes to be an NHLer.
Will he be a Sheldon Sourray or a type of guy you can play in all situations, if he gets his shit together with maturity, the jury is still out debating about him...

Armia/Evans would be a great addition for the playoffs in LA. Both are typical TD stuff for aspiring teams.

Calgary's 1st is actually around 15-16th, but they're +/- on a gradual downfall and them finishing around 11-13th (at the draft) is far from impossible.

In my book, my offer is quite fair...
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If Mailloux has the tools to be as productive as Clarke, why would we trade him as well as other assets for Clarke? Doesn’t add up
 
Theodore450 said:
Dach trade was a swing and a miss. Perimeter players who can’t take criticism never amount to anything. Screwed Gm work by Chicago to ditch him that quickly.

Pro scouting failed the habs
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HuGo betted that his (long) injury history was just a matter of being unlucky..

That he would stay healthy and become the kind of big, strong, talented RH center that all NHL GMs and coaches have wet dreams about...

But the thing is him being always injured wasn't just a matter of luck (or lack of), he's just freaking made of glass.

And now he plays like a princess in order to not get injured again.

The problem is the NHL isn't a place for princesses.
If you don't give it all and don't bring something valuable to your team, you're out!!
 
BKarchitect said:
I guess the cautionary parable if you are afraid of moving off his potential too early is Dylan Strome, but at the same age (24), Strome had put up the best season between the two and was more of a true center. Still, there are some similarities.
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At the same age Strome had almost 50 points more in basically the same number of NHL games played while also not having the massive injury concerns and (IMO) a significantly higher draft pedigree.
 
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Sasha Orlov said:
If Mailloux has the tools to be as productive as Clarke, why would we trade him as well as other assets for Clarke? Doesn’t add up
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Cause there is some flaws in his game.

He could be as productive, but the rest is a big question mark.

I think Clark is a more polished young player, with less uncertainties...
 
sansabri said:
why are we believing anything from a podcast
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Recently:

Buffalo podcast said Detroit was snooping around Buffalo for Cozens. Elliotte speculated the same a week later.

NHL Agent said on his podcast that the cap projection ($92,5M) was inaccurate and that it would be $97M. A week or two later the NHL came out with the adjusted agreement with the PA.

There's definitely people out there with good info.
 
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Yep, Maxime Truman and JT Utah are certainly two guys you have to take seriously, when it comes to having informations regarding the Habs.
 
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