Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[OneSharpMarble]

I don't understand why people feel the need to shit on a guy recovering. Not only that but he makes like 3mill and he has 1 season left. This guy is the least of our concerns, if he's still terrible next season we just don't sign him.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Why not send him to the AHL for a few games? Would that be the worst thing in the world for a struggling player?

Despite what many would say on here he gets picked up immediately

 

[le_sean]

What are you doing here? Why aren't you out there as an nhl Scout? If we go back to draft day are we gonna find your posts talking about how overrated Dach is and should be a late 1st at best?

"He’s so talented, he was taken 3rd overall" is a terribly flawed argument to make that it’s not even worth discussion. We are discussing the 2024-25 version of Dach, not the 2018-19 projected version of him.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

"He’s so talented, he was taken 3rd overall" is a terribly flawed argument to make that it’s not even worth discussion. We are discussing the 2024-25 version of Dach, not the 2018-19 projected version of him.

This coming from the guy who said "it's just GMs being dumb". Now there is something not worth discussion. That's odd we are talking about Kirby today because you seem to be twisting it into Kirby has always been this bad, wanna make up your mind?

 

[OldCraig71]

Theyre not putting him on waivers lol

I don't think he would get claimed if he is struggling with issues from the knee injury as you suggest.

 

[le_sean]

This coming from the guy who said "it's just GMs being dumb". Now there is something not worth discussion. That's odd we are talking about Kirby today because you seem to be twisting it into Kirby has always been this bad, wanna make up your mind?

Never said he was always bad. Learn to read or stop being disingenuous.

I don't think he would get claimed if he is struggling with issues from the knee injury as you suggest.

He’d have multiple claims. I mean Oliver Wahlstrom just got claimed. Multiple teams would take a chance on Dach

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Never said he was always bad. Learn to read or stop being disingenuous.

You said he was an average player and shouldn't have been drafted at 3. That's just a flat out lie, stop trying to twist the past.

 

[Naslundforever]

Theyre not putting him on waivers lol

Are there no short-term work-arounds like conditioning/rehabing or free parking cards? Like @OldCraig71 I don’t find this waiver stuff intuitive.

Isn’t the actual purpose of a farm team to extend your roster and dress the 20 best on a given night? NHL players got it good with guaranteed contracts, no movement lists, etc my gosh. I mean he gets paid the same.

 

[le_sean]

Are there no short-term work-arounds like conditioning/rehabing or free parking cards? Like @OldCraig71 I don’t find this waiver stuff intuitive.

Isn’t the actual purpose of a farm team to extend your roster and dress the 20 best on a given night? NHL players got it good with guaranteed contracts, no movement lists, etc my gosh. I mean he gets paid the same.

Pressbox is an option but we don’t have accountability on the team

 

[Naslundforever]

Pressbox is an option but we don’t have accountability on the team

lol it may make the current roster stronger, but the kid needs to be skating somewhere whatever his ceiling/timeline is…

 

[le_sean]

lol it may make the current roster stronger, but the kid needs to be skating somewhere whatever his ceiling/timeline is…

Well there’s two options regarding Dach:

a) he’s slowly recovering from an injury, so maybe a break would do him good

Or

b) he just sucks and deserves to sit

Either way, maybe to sit a game or two isn’t the worst thing.

 

[Naslundforever]

Well there’s two options regarding Dach:

a) he’s slowly recovering from an injury, so maybe a break would do him good

Or

b) he just sucks and deserves to sit

Either way, maybe to sit a game or two isn’t the worst thing.

Perhaps…

I have a “C” where he is rehabbing and needs icetime, but is not nhl ready (no idea if it’s a, b or c)

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I don't think he would get claimed if he is struggling with issues from the knee injury as you suggest.

Or if they realize these things take time which they do more often than not then they definitely pick him.

There’s no way Kirby Dach passes waivers

 

[BLONG7]

Well there’s two options regarding Dach:

a) he’s slowly recovering from an injury, so maybe a break would do him good

Or

b) he just sucks and deserves to sit

Either way, maybe to sit a game or two isn’t the worst thing.

There are a handful of guys who are struggling, Dach and Newhook are the two that standout......Armia, Gally, have struggled recently, Matheson has been hot garbage lately and gets played even more, so we have a ton of candidates who could sit.....take your pick.

Pezz and Struble can come in for any of the above, but doing this to the vets never seems to work. The coach has a pulse on what is happening, not that I am a big fan of MSL but again we have to trust the process.

 

[le_sean]

Perhaps…

I have a “C” where he is rehabbing (and needs icetime) and is not nhl ready (no idea if it’s a-b-c)

He’s had 31 games (plus multiple preseason games) to get up to speed. He’s been skating since last February and was rumoured to wanting to play the last few games of the 2023-24 season. At some point the onus is on the player.

It’s not like we are upset that he’s not exactly the player that played against the Leafs in Game 1 last year. We are upset because he’s playing like one of the worst top 6 forwards in the NHL.

 

[OldCraig71]

He’d have multiple claims. I mean Oliver Wahlstrom just got claimed. Multiple teams would take a chance on Dach

Wahlstrom is on a 1 year million dollar deal vs Dach at a 3.3 cap hit for this year and next. I don't think teams would be lining up to nab a player owed that type of money especially if he is not 100 percent healthy.

 

[Chose]

He would be claimed for potential.
There are GMs that don't manage exclusively for the present...
Maybe we should do that too, while we are not contending... Just sayin'.

Apparently, he did not report to camp in shape. Let's see next year if he got the message and has a great summer.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Dach gets claimed 100% without question just because whoever takes him has the luxury to treat him as a 4th liner with potential instead of a key piece they need to develop in the top-6

 

[junyab]

At our current point in the rebuild it doesn't make sense to do anything with Dach besides being patient with him. Hopefully he can pick it up but if he doesn't, there really isn't any sensible option to explore. Doesn't make sense to trade, waive or bench him.