Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[WeThreeKings]

Dach needs to shoot more, he’s forgone a handful of prime high danger opportunities by passing instead of taking a shot

He knows, just like Slaf.. but it's early in the season and people will default to their tendencies early before getting those other elements added over the course of the season.

 

[Rapala]

It should be Hutson at the point with Suzuki, and Dach at the right wall.

I'd love it...
Anything that prevents Caufield from handling the puck too often.
God he was horrible against Ottawa.
He was bobbling the puck like he was back in his early Ducharme Days.
The last thing we need is to have to backtrack 200ft because of unforced errors.

 

[HuGort]

It's rust.

Dach really bad on faceoffs. Under 20% so far this season. Looks different player

 

[WeThreeKings]

Dach really bad on faceoffs. Under 20% so far this season. Looks different player

Yeah, from missing an entire year of hockey.

 

[Colezuki]

Dach really bad on faceoffs. Under 20% so far this season. Looks different player

Faceoffs are reps, give him half a season then evaluate, if not a center he can still be a giant winger as we saw when he played with Suzuki and Caufield

 

[Bourdon101]

Yeah, from missing an entire year of hockey.

He was not good at faceoffs before the injury, so don't think rust is at fault here. I could see him ending up on a winger for that reason alone, though he is really good at carrying the puck and not much of a finisher.

 

[HuGort]

Yeah, from missing an entire year of hockey.

It's killing our second line. Lack of puck possession. Move Dvorak up, he's good on faceoffs. only Hab with Corsi above 60. put Dach on wing. Until he gets back in rythm. Armia back on 4th line. He looks lost.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He was not good at faceoffs before the injury, so don't think rust is at fault here. I could see him ending up on a winger for that reason alone, though he is really good at carrying the puck and not much of a finisher.

Faceoffs are an experience and timing thing.. so not being the best at them before the injury, missing all those reps, and coming back to take faceoffs is going to be rocky for a bit.

It's killing our second line. Lack of puck possession. Move Dvorak up, he's good on faceoffs. only Hab with Corsi above 60. put Dach on wing. Until he gets back in rythm. Armia back on 4th line. He looks lost.

The second line is killed because Armia isn't a good fit and Dach is rusty.. putting a worse player than Dach on that line to be the center isn't going to help it any better. If they want to move Dvorak to Dach's wing instead of Armia to take the weak side faceoffs instead of Newhook could help, I guess, but it won't help them score more.

 

[Ozmodiar]

I don’t really care about faceoffs atm.

My concern is that he’s taken a few awkward hits where he didn’t took ready or steady on his skates.

I’d like him to remain healthy.

 

[Sorinth]

He was not good at faceoffs before the injury, so don't think rust is at fault here. I could see him ending up on a winger for that reason alone, though he is really good at carrying the puck and not much of a finisher.

Most young players aren't good at faceoffs because linesman allow vets to cheat much more then they do young guys who aren't stars.

 

[the valiant effort]

Most young players aren't good at faceoffs because linesman allow vets to cheat much more then they do young guys who aren't stars.

In my near 40 years on this planet watching and (formerly) playing the sport I still don’t know what the egotist linesmen are pretending to enforce.

 

[Fatbiggie]

We might have to broke our first line to get at least a good weapon for Dach, Armia is not cutting it in the top 6 as we're all aware.

I would like Marty to try these duos: Suzu/Slaf, Dach/CC and with Newhook & Heiner/Kap as 3rd wings

 

[Tyson]

We might have to broke our first line to get at least a good weapon for Dach, Armia is not cutting it in the top 6 as we're all aware.

I would like Marty to try these duos: Suzu/Slaf, Dach/CC and with Newhook & Heiner/Kap as 3rd wings

I would put Dach with Suzuki and Caufield, drop Slaf down with Newhook and maybe Heineman.

 

[Andrei79]

Gallagher has been playing decently, already has two goals. I'd try him instead of Armia. I would really like Dach with Heineman and Kapanen, but Dvorak has been looking rejuvenated with them

 

[jrom]

He was not good at faceoffs before the injury, so don't think rust is at fault here. I could see him ending up on a winger for that reason alone, though he is really good at carrying the puck and not much of a finisher.

Jack Hugues is 33% career-wise on FO%

At this stage Dach needs TOI to get back on his game, once he has played 20 games we’ll get a better idea (replacing Armia by someone not named Anderson would help also).

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Jack Hugues is 33% career-wise on FO%

At this stage Dach needs TOI to get back on his game, once he has played 20 games we’ll get a better idea (replacing Armia by someone not named Anderson would help also).

Malkin has a 44% career faceoff percentage as well......typical fan narrative thinking faceoff ability is what differentiates centers from wingers lol.

I agree that we should be more patient as he has been nothing short of awful so far this season but has a ton of rust to shake off and it will take some time. Armia and Newhook have both been fine and it is definitely Dach bringing them down and not vice versa. Dach is not only looking rusty with the puck but his decision making is shockingly bad and this is evidence that he is just not up to speed yet as typically his hockey IQ is very good.

 

[The Great Weal]

Jack Hugues is 33% career-wise on FO%

At this stage Dach needs TOI to get back on his game, once he has played 20 games we’ll get a better idea (replacing Armia by someone not named Anderson would help also).

Dach is extremely predictable in that he is always looking for a pass. That's been an issue long before his injury. The inconsistent effort and poor decision making thus far can be excused given his lack of reps, but if he's going to be a 2C for us longterm he needs to be way more dynamic (and of course healthy).

 

[Walksss]

It's disappointing to me that it seems he didn't work on his shot with all that time off.

I mean, according to Dach himself he's been ready to play games since April, sooooo, why didn't you work on that shot with all that free time?

 

[HuGort]

Faceoffs are an experience and timing thing.. so not being the best at them before the injury, missing all those reps, and coming back to take faceoffs is going to be rocky for a bit.



The second line is killed because Armia isn't a good fit and Dach is rusty.. putting a worse player than Dach on that line to be the center isn't going to help it any better. If they want to move Dvorak to Dach's wing instead of Armia to take the weak side faceoffs instead of Newhook could help, I guess, but it won't help them score more.

How long can we wait though? 20 games? Dach has to play well at some point. Temporary Move him back to third line minutes? Dvorak and Heineman play well together. Move them up to 2nd line.

 

[nhlfan9191]

How long can we wait though? 20 games? Dach has to play well at some point. Temporary Move him back to third line minutes? Dvorak and Heineman play well together. Move them up to 2nd line.

He missed pretty much an entire calendar year. I thinks it’s fair to say that a player his age that was still not a finished product developmentally when he was hurt might take awhile to get going again.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It's disappointing to me that it seems he didn't work on his shot with all that time off.

I mean, according to Dach himself he's been ready to play games since April, sooooo, why didn't you work on that shot with all that free time?

He worked on it last year and he worked on it again this summer. The issue isn't the shot, it's him not using it, and that's to be expected when you are coming off a long absence and trying to get up to speed, you will default to your tendencies.

How long can we wait though? 20 games? Dach has to play well at some point. Temporary Move him back to third line minutes? Dvorak and Heineman play well together. Move them up to 2nd line.

We can wait the whole season - they are trying to be 'in the mix' not make the playoffs at all costs. Getting Dach where he needs to be is far more important for the long term outlook of the rebuild. They are looking long term, they are not looking at everything from the vacuum of a single game early in the season off a prolonged absence.

 

[Paddyjack]

Dach is extremely predictable in that he is always looking for a pass. That's been an issue long before his injury. The inconsistent effort and poor decision making thus far can be excused given his lack of reps, but if he's going to be a 2C for us longterm he needs to be way more dynamic (and of course healthy).

THat is absolutely true, and that is why Laine's injury hurt so much. He would have been a perfect fit. Personally I would put Caufield with Dach and Newhook, because CC would be a great fit for a playmaker like Dach. Suzuki could be with Slaf and maybe Heineman or Kap. Or bring up Roy and see if he understood something.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I think he is more afraid than anything at this moment, so it's going to take some times to have the Dach we know.

He don't transport the puck like he did before, juste because, he looks "afraid" to be injured again.

 

[Trenbohabs]

Dach is extremely predictable in that he is always looking for a pass. That's been an issue long before his injury. The inconsistent effort and poor decision making thus far can be excused given his lack of reps, but if he's going to be a 2C for us longterm he needs to be way more dynamic (and of course healthy).

i wouldnt be surprised Dach ends up our 3rd C like Jordan Staal with pittsburgh with possibly a high pick for a center this year and Hage impressive start in the NCAA. He missed WAY too much hockey to develop. Bad trade by hughes as for now, just like newhook

 

[Trenbohabs]

I think he is more afraid than anything at this moment, so it's going to take some times to have the Dach we know.

He don't transport the puck like he did before, juste because, he looks "afraid" to be injured again.

thats true, i'd let him until january to see if he can recover from all the hockey he missed. I highly doubt like ive said previously that he will challenge suzuki for 1C now. More likely to end up being a 60 pts 3rd C like Jordan Staal, which would be a luxury for our team to have if Hage or the top 7 pick this year ends up surpassing Dach. In 5 years our young core with slaf demidov hage 2025 draft picks would carry this team while having Suzuki and Dach as young vets under 30.