Player Discussion Kirby Dach (Part 3): TabarDach Edition!

[BLONG7]

Then stick with that argument and don't try to claim suffering multiple injuries are evidence because they aren't.

And from what I recall of the whole "out of shape" argument was that it wasn't reported on when training camp actually happened and was only brought up in like November/December when he was struggling badly, which is kind of suspicious. Also from what Dach or maybe Gorton said the issue was that he trained the wrong things. No details were really provided, but for example it's possible Dach focused on strength but ignored explosiveness, which means being slower. There's a big difference between training the wrong things and be lazy and not training, as an example one of Subban's problems was arguably training the wrong things and bulking up but losing mobility because of it. It's not a sign of laziness or not taking things seriously. On top of which we've seen countless examples of players taking a full year to really get back to themselves after a serious injury, they weren't all lazy, some injuries take a long time to get back into game shape even when you are "healthy" and can play/train.

Relax man......... I really like Dach, but we have to admit he has been a failed experiment so far.
He has one year left to prove to himself, and his boss that he can play at the NHL level and not get hurt.

Pretty simple if you ask me he has treated everything he has done the first 6 years of his career with a pretty ho hum behavior. Chicago has already given up on a 6'4 220 lb player?
Maybe he has just been unlucky?/ Maybe he just hasn't prepared?? Maybe he just isn't as good as we hope?
Maybe he is even better than we hope?

It's all on him............
Cheers.

 

[MasterD]

Relax man......... I really like Dach, but we have to admit he has been a failed experiment so far.
He has one year left to prove to himself, and his boss that he can play at the NHL level and not get hurt.

Pretty simple if you ask me he has treated everything he has done the first 6 years of his career with a pretty ho hum behavior. Chicago has already given up on a 6'4 220 lb player?
Maybe he has just been unlucky?/ Maybe he just hasn't prepared?? Maybe he just isn't as good as we hope?
Maybe he is even better than we hope?

It's all on him............
Cheers.

To be fair, trading a player doesn't mean you gave up on him. Sometimes you just want, or need, what's on the other side of the trade more than said player.

 

[Huntingpucks]

I think can be our long term 3C

Imagine he has an okay year and puts 40-50ppt.

We resign him long terme for 3-4m$.
Suzuki for 1C and Dach at 3C could be great. Missing that #2C

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I could live with Dach a lot better if we can get a proper 2C on the team, that's for sure.

 

[FerrisRox]

I think can be our long term 3C

Imagine he has an okay year and puts 40-50ppt.

We resign him long terme for 3-4m$.
Suzuki for 1C and Dach at 3C could be great. Missing that #2C

If he puts up 50 points next season why wouldn't he be the 2nd line centre? Are you expecting 50 point production from the 3rd line centre?

Why would a big, 50-point centre sign a long term deal at $3 million a season?

That's insanity.

 

[Huntingpucks]

If he puts up 50 points next season why wouldn't he be the 2nd line centre? Are you expecting 50 point production from the 3rd line centre?

Why would a big, 50-point centre sign a long term deal at $3 million a season?

That's insanity.

He probably won’t produce 50 next year , but could in 2-3 years . Consequently , we might have a window to sign him for cheaper after next year.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Disagree 100%. His best hockey was at RW with Suzuki and Caufield.

He sucks at faceoffs, skates slow, not good at backchecking. He's not a center.

Definitely not. His best hockey came in the 2nd half of the season, and he played on Suzuki's line early in the season. He was placed on Suzuki's line to regain his confidence, which helped him a great deal, but he was a complementary player on that line. In the 2nd half of the season, when he was centering his line, he was driving the play.

Besides not being good on faceoffs, Dach is a natural centerman.

 

[GrandBison]

Definitely not. His best hockey came in the 2nd half of the season, and he played on Suzuki's line early in the season. He was placed on Suzuki's line to regain his confidence, which helped him a great deal, but he was a complementary player on that line. In the 2nd half of the season, when he was centering his line, he was driving the play.

Besides not being good on faceoffs, Dach is a natural centerman.

They should just keep him away from Laine. Get another top 6 winger to play with him . A good start from Dach and everybody here forget that we are missing a 2nd line center.

 

[MasterD]

Definitely not. His best hockey came in the 2nd half of the season, and he played on Suzuki's line early in the season. He was placed on Suzuki's line to regain his confidence, which helped him a great deal, but he was a complementary player on that line. In the 2nd half of the season, when he was centering his line, he was driving the play.

Besides not being good on faceoffs, Dach is a natural centerman.

IF he's a natural centerman, which I disagree with, then he's an awful centerman.

Either way, the guy is 24, 6th year in the NHL, only played more than 60 games twice, never got more than 38 points. That guy is not who you want to anchor your 2nd line around. Just isn't. We're a much better team with a 2nd C and Dach at 2nd RW or 3rd C.

 

[DemidovSZN]

Disagree 100%. His best hockey was at RW with Suzuki and Caufield.

He sucks at faceoffs, skates slow, not good at backchecking. He's not a center.

Not at all, he played well with Caufield and Suzuki but he took off after he got back to center.

And yes, he all the abilities to be a center. He transition and carry the puck very well, he’s a good passer and good around the net. While healthy he was good defensively also.

 

[Wats]

He looked so good until that injury at the start of 03/04. Habs luck.

 

[JianYang]

Dach never quite regained the form last year that got me excited about him in the first place.

He has also been shut down for health reason in each of his 3 years here, so he's never actually shown the ability to finish an 82 game schedule.

Huge red flags in terms of durability and the development time that gets lost because of that.

The mentality at this point for management should be to look elsewhere for the 2C. That's not to say to dump dach to the curb ASAP, but it is to say that we cant invest as much in you anymore and that you have to prove your worth as a possible 2c candidate the hard way. It's an uphill battle for dach now.

 

[Habssince89]

The real thing he excels at from what I've seen is below the circles, cycling and keeping the play alive long enough to make plays. He's always been more of a passer than a goal scorer. Of course he should shoot more, but anyway the cycle game is a strength and it won't be harmed if he moves to RW. I would love for Dach to meet his full potential, but we have to treat anything from him as a bonus at this point. Not quite written out, but we should acquire a proper 2C and not expect him to be able to do it.

 

[BLONG7]

Dach never quite regained the form last year that got me excited about him in the first place.

He has also been shut down for health reason in each of his 3 years here, so he's never actually shown the ability to finish an 82 game schedule.

Huge red flags in terms of durability and the development time that gets lost because of that.

The mentality at this point for management should be to look elsewhere for the 2C. That's not to say to dump dach to the curb ASAP, but it is to say that we cant invest as much in you anymore and that you have to prove your worth as a possible 2c candidate the hard way. It's an uphill battle for dach now.

As a fan of Dach............this is a very good post. This upcoming season for him is huge. He has been told by the boys, show up ready in September.

 

[Rapala]

He played his best hockey at center. His best hockey came in the 2nd half of his 1st season with the habs. He was playing center.

He also played his worst hockey at center truth be told. For me his worst hockey had far more of an impact on the team than his best hockey did while exposing serious faults in his game...

His most stable hockey was actually on the wing with Suzuki and Caufield when all three players were flirting with PPG until mid December.

 

[Paddy17]

Contract year. Everyone's counting him out. If that doesn't motivate him to come to camp in the best shape of his life, I don't know what can.

 

[Habs13]

Do or die for Dach and I think he do...