Player Discussion Kirby Dach (Part 3): TabarDach Edition!

[Redux91]

He had SOME. Now he has NONE. Easy enough, eh?

Yeah?
I'll let the other 31 GM's who's actual jobs it is to determine that, thanks!

 

[le_sean]

Uhh what kind of trade value you think he had to begin with lol

People talking about buyouts too like are you guys serious lol

He has 1 yr 3.3M left, we're going to be OK lol
Just because we gotta find a real new 2C, doesn't mean Dach can't become somewhat serviceable as a top6 winger
We SAW him do it 2 years ago

Or, he gets moved for a pick
It happens.

Maybe the best bet is to just move on and send a message to the team to start getting serious. The little clique of group hug and dip after a win - get rid of him and Dvorak. It’s time to drill the message of "put up or shut up" to the core 3 forwards. Don’t need players like Dvorak and Dach that can’t be bothered to do anything positive 80% of the time.

 

[Goalfield13]

Yeah?
I'll let the other 31 GM's who's actual jobs it is to determine that, thanks!

You are welcome!

 

[Banjo Cat]

I think Dach is always going to have injury issues. It's not a knock on him personally. It's not his fault. But he is always well on his way to becoming a good player and it never happens. And sure that's probably because he never gets to play a full season. He never had a chance to develop properly because of circumstances. Not his fault, but still.

 

[26Mats]

Part of it is what you wrote, other part is that you can’t rely on him to dress up consistently. Players like Tim Connolly are not to be kept around if you want stability.

He can’t be counted on and we are above that for our next leap up.

Same was said about Markov after what was it, 3 years in a row of injuring his knee?

At the end of the day, Dach at 3.5M isn't a problem on the roster. If he had a big year and was about to sign for 7.5M that is when the decisions get difficult. I think trying to bring him along for now is fine. It would be nice to get a different 2c for next year though, if one becomes available.

 

[Walksss]

Imo being injury prone is less about having weak physical joints/bones/muscles etc and more about lacking the awareness/IQ to avoid dangerous contact.

Look at this play from a few weeks ago, absolutely insane way to play this. Guhle has the same problem.

I agree, as much as I feel for Kirby he seems to put himself in bad positions a lot. Avoidance of those situations is most definitely a skill in itself. He is below average at that skill, no question there.

That being said I really hope this lights a massive fire under him for next season. I can honestly say I haven't seen that from him, he seems to have come to camp out of shape and it took a while to ramp himself up. Now that his next contract is on the line and his NHL future has more doubt we'll see how he spends his summer.

 

[Runner77]

I don’t even think Bergevin would be that naive

 

[McGees]

Whether they sign him to another contract to be a middle 6 winger most likely or just part ways, one thing is for sure - we need to find a legit 2C this summer cause it aint Dach moving forward.

 

[Banjo Cat]

Same was said about Markov after what was it, 3 years in a row of injuring his knee?

But Markov was already one of our best players if not, at times, our best player. Dach has never been that. Dach was always potential. Dach has had most of his first several years in the NHL shortened. It's hard not to be concerned about how this has impacted his development.

 

[Trabdy2]

Really unfortunate for Dach, as well as the Habs team and their fans.

With all the injuries I don't think he has a lot of trade value at this point. We can see how he comes back to training camp in the fall. I think there is a chance he could still contribute next year in a third line winger type role if he can tool his game the right way. I don't think we can move forward relying on him becoming a top 6 player for us.

If management weren't already thinking it, they gotta be thinking now that the 2C spot is a position that needs to be addressed before October. It's not Dach or Newhook, and we can't rely on it being Beck either (and I'm a big Beck fan). With Evans and Dvo going, HuGo will have their work cut out figuring out how to get our center lineup set for next year to push for a playoff spot.

 

[26Mats]

But Markov was already one of our best players if not, at times, our best player. Dach has never been that. Dach was always potential. Dach has had most of his first several years in the NHL shortened. It's hard not to be concerned about how this has impacted his development.

Yes, I'm very concerned.

But it doesn't mean it's a foregone conclusion that he can't come back from his injuries.

And, I don't think we have much to lose in trying to help him, as long as the short term plan isn't for him to be the 3c.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Unbelievable. He just can't stay healthy.

Next year is a contract year. It's the final year of the four year deal he signed after being traded to Montreal.

If he can't stay healthy & get going in a contract year, it's never going to happen for him.

So much size & skill.... it's always "what if" with Dach. We can't go forward counting on him.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Unbelievable. He just can't stay healthy.

Next year is a contract year. It's the final year of the four year deal he signed after being traded to Montreal.

If he can't stay healthy & get going in a contract year, it's never going to happen for him.

So much size & skill.... it's always "what if" with Dach. We can't go forward counting on him.

Actually contract year next year might be the saving grace, no more overpaying for what could be hoping to get a bargain down the line, make it clear he’s only getting paid what he’s worth or he’s free to sign an offer sheet

Somehow this summer we will still get posters who pencil Dach in as the 1C over Suzuki

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Actually contract year next year might be the saving grace, no more overpaying for what could be hoping to get a bargain down the line, make it clear he’s only getting paid what he’s worth or he’s free to sign an offer sheet

Somehow this summer we will still get posters who pencil Dach in as the 1C over Suzuki

Really man?

This guy’s career is now hanging by a thread. I think most people would be happy just to see him complete a season.

 

[BozoTheClown]

Dach has many other problems. But the narrative that Chicago knew for a fact 120% he would never pan out is absolutely ridiculous as he was just 21. The main reason he was traded is the same as DeBrincat, Hagel and the same reason the Hakws did not qualify Dylan Strome. That reason is curently the Hawks first line center.

It's kind of funy that the same management who knew for a fact Dach would not pan out actually misread Dylan Strome to a point they actually let him go for absolutely nothing. Nah the Hawks knew what they were doing when they traded all their young players like Hagel, Dach and DeBrincat and that plan was called Connor Bedard.

Those players you listed didn’t have the same production on Chicago.

Debrincat 23 y/o 41g 37a 78 pts 82g
last year of contract

Hagel 23 y/o 21g 16a 37 pts 55g

Stroke 25 y/o 22g 26a 48 pts 69g UFA


Dach 21 y/o 9g 17 a 26 pts 70 g

Debrincat, Hagel and Strome combined for 84 goals and Dach 9 goals.

Dach didn’t scream “ I will screw the tank for Bédard.”

My guess is that Chicago saw something throughout the 3 seasons Dach was with the team, whether it’s not taking is rehabilitation or his training seriously, maybe he took lazy stupid penalties like he does with Montreal, maybe he had poor work ethic, was often uninvolved and was nonchalant during many games.

Also, the argument that he sustained a serious injury and that it might take time to get back to game shape, how long will it take? As far as I am concerned, many players were in the end of serious injuries and came back better than ever, those are warriors, fighters and leaders. Dach is none of this and we are all witnessing it.
He just doesn’t have what it takes.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Re-injury was always a concern, and here we are.

2C was already in serious doubt for him. This seals it.

Hopefully he comes back next year and grabs a middle six winger spot. At this point, it will be a win if he earns an extension. Everything will have to be earned on merit, not potential, going forward.

 

[Paddyjack]

Unbelievable. He just can't stay healthy.

Next year is a contract year. It's the final year of the four year deal he signed after being traded to Montreal.

If he can't stay healthy & get going in a contract year, it's never going to happen for him.

So much size & skill.... it's always "what if" with Dach. We can't go forward counting on him.

When are you changing your nick for DachKnee?

Honestly maybe we will learn he was never 100% this season.

At this point I would trade him for Zegras

 

[MarkovsKnee]

When are you changing your nick for DachKnee?

Honestly maybe we will learn he was never 100% this season.

At this point I would trade him for Zegras

I don't like Dach as much as I did Markov. Lol

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

No we did not.

Let it go and accept reality...

 

[Ozmodiar]

Imo being injury prone is less about having weak physical joints/bones/muscles etc and more about lacking the awareness/IQ to avoid dangerous contact.

Look at this play from a few weeks ago, absolutely insane way to play this. Guhle has the same problem.

I commented on this a few weeks ago. Crazy.

And, yes, similar with Guhle but he’s been better. And the latest was a freak occurrence.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Really man?

This guy’s career is now hanging by a thread. I think most people would be happy just to see him complete a season.

Of course I feel bad for him but I feel worse for us.

He didn’t take his conditioning seriously, again. And he got hurt, again.

He said it himself that he didn’t prepare during the offseason.

It’s a sad situation but sure, selfishly I care more about the future of this team more than I care about Kirby’s individual career or personal happiness.

 

[Legend123]

Xhekaj isn't adding anything?

not doing anything to merit playing on a competitive team.

Yup

Newhook will not be in the top six. I’d say that’s pretty certain. He’d be a good 3rd liner though.

Struble is gone. I think Xhejac is here long term.

i doubt newhook will be a good 3rd liner. I think its time to pull the plug on him.

Xhekaj is not giving any confidence he can be part of a winning core

 

[Canad13ns]

Same was said about Markov after what was it, 3 years in a row of injuring his knee?

At the end of the day, Dach at 3.5M isn't a problem on the roster. If he had a big year and was about to sign for 7.5M that is when the decisions get difficult. I think trying to bring him along for now is fine. It would be nice to get a different 2c for next year though, if one becomes available.

Dach and Markov though, not the same.. Markov played in 87% of games for 8 years before the ankle and knee injuries, and averaged 0.7 pts per game doing it. Dach has never in his 6 seasons hit 87% of games (he averages 55%) and also averages about .45pts per game. He had one brief blip of looking promising for us. He can't be the plan for 2C if nothing better comes along. He's inconsistent and injury-prone and we need someone else.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Oh boy lol. Well, next year is the make or break it year.

 

[26Mats]

Dach and Markov though, not the same.. Markov played in 87% of games for 8 years before the ankle and knee injuries, and averaged 0.7 pts per game doing it. Dach has never in his 6 seasons hit 87% of games (he averages 55%) and also averages about .45pts per game. He had one brief blip of looking promising for us. He can't be the plan for 2C if nothing better comes along. He's inconsistent and injury-prone and we need someone else.

Yes, I wasn't saying Dach and Markov are the same. I was saying it's possible Dach comes back from his knee injury.

Yes, we should get a different 2c. But no need to buy Dach out or give up on him. His cap hit is only 3.5M. You can get a new 2c and still have Dach as a project.